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Financial crisis? What financial crisis?

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 8:26 pm
by jimmydanger
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/28/investi ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Since Obama has been President my 401k and IRA's have more than doubled in value. The value of my house keeps going up. I've never made as much money as I've made recently. You can see why I laugh when the conservajerks mention the "scandals".

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:20 pm
by DainNobody
jimmy, I thought of you last night when PBS had a show titled "Detropia" ..it was a documentary film about Detroit.. Detroit was the fastest growing city in the world at one time, (many years ago, but now it's losing population faster than any city. now many vacant houses available and also tearing them down and scrapping is a livelihood many Detroiters partake in, nothing else job-wise.. many people lose their homes for not paying taxes, but hard to pay high Detroit city real estate taxes when you have no job..no excuses though, people can retrain into something but it takes initiative (and money for tuition).. .. they had the owner of the Raven's Lounge giving his 2 cents about nothing made in America nowadays to speak of..service industry only goes so far, we need an industrial base again.. and a piece about American Axle Co. moving the plant to Mexico, after the employees would not take a significant pay cut.. they were proud workers, and felt bad for them, while top dogs in management get bigger bonuses

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:49 pm
by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Jimmy I'm glad you are doing so well. I'm glad all your investments have doubled.

There is a very definite reason for this. It goes like this... Honey, we only have 10 bucks left till next payday, and we have a bill that is due for $20.

Don't worry honey, I'll just go next door and ask my buddies to print us up a 10 dollar bill... They have a great printing press and no one will notice an extra 10 bucks. The best part is all I have to do is promise them that big bonus check I can get... If I really put the screws to my boss.

Five years ago GAS was $1.35 a gallon. Now it continuously hovers just under $4.
Five years ago I could buy a big chicken roaster for under $5. Now I can't even get a tiny chicken for less than that. Forget about steak prices.
Five years ago my family healthcare plan was $900 a month... Now we are at $1500... SAME PLAN.
Bullets... I used to buy a good box for about 60 cents a round,(5 years ago) NOW... About $1.20 a round. Thank God for multi station reloading presses.I like HORNADY.

So much has doubled Jimmy, your 401 K is just proof. The only thing that hasn't doubled... Is the value of your dollar.
Next chance you get... Just take one of your dollars... put in the bank... and watch it grow with the interest rates a bank can afford. In two years I bet that dollar will only be worth 80 cents. You would be better off buying swampland.

I don't want to overload you with truths, but I find it interesting you also mention scandals. I'm not even going to bring this new stuff up, I'll go back to the old stuff. 2 years ago our government sent in SWAT teams into the GIBSON (registered trademark) guitar factory. These SWAT teams had fully automatic weapons aimed at workers, Americans, THREATENED them with EXTREME violence, ordered and detained them in the parking lot, while they systematically shut down the factory in the collection of evidence about some illegal wood.

Now thats government out of control. The real reason. The owner of the GIBSON company was a GOP supporter. Martin guitars had some of same wood... But the owner was a democratic supporter.

You know this wouldn't be so bad if it happened in one of the many countries that are ruled by depraved killers. But it happened in the great state of Tennessee. Last time I looked it was still part of the USA, a nation with this pesky little document... CALLED THE CONSTITUTION!

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:08 am
by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Where did you go Jimmy?????

Your silence is causing some deafening noise. You are not very serious are you?

I think I'm going to ride this one... :)

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:11 am
by ANGELSSHOTGUN
See my new picture?

Damn... I was good looking... Still am but not as good as back then.


Don't here any answer Jimmy... EEEEHHH. :lol:

Re: Financial crisis? What financial crisis?

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:25 am
by PaperDog
Its all funny money... The dollar isn't wortth crap today.. Only a matter of time before the US dollar loses status as the standard, and then were doomed to live a substandard economy to somebody like France or Germany. (Or China)

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:34 am
by gbheil
Dog's right.

Besides the librajerks constant violation of the law has nothing to do with your IRA.

Yet.

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:41 am
by PaperDog
sanshouheil wrote:Dog's right.

Besides the librajerks constant violation of the law has nothing to do with your IRA.

Yet.


George...I owe you an apology... I got short with you on another threat... My bad bro... Hope you'll forgive me .

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:48 am
by gbheil
PaperDog wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Dog's right.

Besides the librajerks constant violation of the law has nothing to do with your IRA.

Yet.


George...I owe you an apology... I got short with you on another threat... My bad bro... Hope you'll forgive me .


It's been forgiven.
I was not kind in my comments either. It bothered me some today but I really did not want to air it out in public.
Being as you stepped forward I have to say I am ashamed of my behavior, and hope you accept my apology as well.

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:50 am
by PaperDog
sanshouheil wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Dog's right.

Besides the librajerks constant violation of the law has nothing to do with your IRA.

Yet.


George...I owe you an apology... I got short with you on another threat... My bad bro... Hope you'll forgive me .


It's been forgiven.
I was not kind in my comments either. It bothered me some today but I really did not want to air it out in public.
Being as you stepped forward I have to say I am ashamed of my behavior, and hope you accept my apology as well.


All is Forgiven Brother! :) In hindsight, we both uphold the same things surrounding our veterans... That's what matters :)

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:00 am
by gbheil
PaperDog wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Dog's right.

Besides the librajerks constant violation of the law has nothing to do with your IRA.

Yet.


George...I owe you an apology... I got short with you on another threat... My bad bro... Hope you'll forgive me .


It's been forgiven.
I was not kind in my comments either. It bothered me some today but I really did not want to air it out in public.
Being as you stepped forward I have to say I am ashamed of my behavior, and hope you accept my apology as well.


All is Forgiven Brother! :) In hindsight, we both uphold the same things surrounding our veterans... That's what matters :)


Thank you.
It may sound silly to some. But I will rest better tonight in that knowledge.

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:01 pm
by MikeTalbot
It doesn't sound silly to me. Good work boys.

Talbot

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:43 am
by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Here I was beating up on a gloating Jimmy and you go and steal his thread.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU. :wink:

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:24 am
by ANGELSSHOTGUN
High risk derivatives trading is the reason that what should have been a contained mortgage crisis in 2008, grew into a major financial meltdown.

Well, if you thought that was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet...

It's estimated that the notional value of derivatives trading is NOW more than TEN TIMES the size of the world economy!

If just a small percentage of those deals go bad—astronomical losses will cause widespread catastrophic damage!

In 2008 the U.S. Government scraped together enough to avert complete disaster—but now?

You can't squeeze water from a rock! There will be NO BAILOUTS—and disaster will not be averted! The money is just NOT THERE!

Europe and the United States are both drowning in UNPRECEDENTED debt. We both have over-leveraged banking systems that are no more stable than a house of cards.

The only reason it doesn't look quite as desperate here as it does there—is because the Federal Reserve is flooding our economy with worthless paper money like there's no tomorrow!

But with absolutely nothing to back it up—it's a delicate facade the Feds can't sustain. And when it crumbles, the nightmare won't be far behind!

Just a thought... KEEP SMILIN' JIMMY
:)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:58 pm
by PaperDog
GLENNY J wrote:High risk derivatives trading is the reason that what should have been a contained mortgage crisis in 2008, grew into a major financial meltdown.

Well, if you thought that was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet...

It's estimated that the notional value of derivatives trading is NOW more than TEN TIMES the size of the world economy!

If just a small percentage of those deals go bad—astronomical losses will cause widespread catastrophic damage!

In 2008 the U.S. Government scraped together enough to avert complete disaster—but now?

You can't squeeze water from a rock! There will be NO BAILOUTS—and disaster will not be averted! The money is just NOT THERE!

Europe and the United States are both drowning in UNPRECEDENTED debt. We both have over-leveraged banking systems that are no more stable than a house of cards.

The only reason it doesn't look quite as desperate here as it does there—is because the Federal Reserve is flooding our economy with worthless paper money like there's no tomorrow!

But with absolutely nothing to back it up—it's a delicate facade the Feds can't sustain. And when it crumbles, the nightmare won't be far behind!

Just a thought... KEEP SMILIN' JIMMY
:)


I have been told...that There used to be a phenomenon in the early 1900''s in America, where parlors were set up to facilitate hedge fund trading against the markets themselves (Basically betting against wall street). You can imagine the conflict of interest this presented for US economy.

For those who do not understand what a derivative is, the short answer: is a financial instrument that by itself has no value, and is usually associated with risk.

When you buy a house, the loan is something of value. A derivative of that loan would be the sale of a speculation or risk about the unrealized gains from that loan. It goes like this: Pay me 80k dollars for this home loan, valued at 100k, and you'll get back your 80K + 20K at the end of the loan. The buyer of this package takes the gamble to realize a 20k return on his investment, but has no guarantee of recovery if the loan goes into default. So, it sin his interest to set aggressive measure to collect and recover his balances.

As the 'seller' of the derivative, if you know ahead of time that your loan package is doomed to fail and go into default (because the income of the home owner wont stand up to aggressive trading ) , you extract 80k now... 'Cha-ching', you made your windfall and the risk is out of your hands... You simply disappear and you don't look back. On to the next victim.

But, not only has the seller of the derivative swindled the buyer, but because the buyer must take aggressive action to recover losses/gains, this practice now puts undue burden 'against' the home owner. Where a guy might have been given a little grace to make up a month or two of mortgage (due to hard times), now there is no margin or slack. (This kills the solvency of the real loan)

This is what greed leads to... We blame Barney Frank... But all he was trying to do was help the little guy get into a home via govt backed loans. If derivitives did not exist, many of those little guys would NOT be foreclosing...They'd be making it.