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51 dead so far with 24 children missing from a flattened school. Why was there school today? Officials knew these storms were coming. I mean they cancel school if there's a couple of inches of snow, why not a tornado?

The same reason they don't cancel school when 'snow is predicted' - the parents still have to go to work, they can't leave the kids at home by themselves. If the snow starts and things look bad, they call school off early, let the parents know, and send them home.
Problem with tornados is they pop up so quickly. Sad pictures coming out of the midwest.

I got home (Dallas area) last night and there is a tornado warning from here to Kansas. What are we to do, Jimmy? There's no guarantee that any place we might go for protection won't be ripped up and spit into Arkansas.

Life and death are both unpredictable....like tornados and earthquakes there is only so much one can do to be safe.

Hmmm, build schools (and everything else) underground if you live in a tornado-prone area? This is the seventh serious tornado to hit Moore in the past twenty years, yet people always return and rebuild. Seems to me the only practical things to do are move or go underground.

Design Design Design.... I wonder if it ever occurred to these guys to build their structures (i.. schools) like domes, low to ground, engineered to reduce pressure differentials between storm and structure. A roof with eves is always guaranteed to be sucked up...But a bald dome...No way..Tornado would just move on...

PaperDog wrote:Design Design Design.... I wonder if it ever occurred to these guys to build their structures (i.. schools) like domes, low to ground, engineered to reduce pressure differentials between storm and structure. A roof with eves is always guaranteed to be sucked up...But a bald dome...No way..Tornado would just move on...

That's a good idea, Grant.


There were several who were protected from the wind damage...yet drowned from flooding in the basement.

yod wrote:

PaperDog wrote:Design Design Design.... I wonder if it ever occurred to these guys to build their structures (i.. schools) like domes, low to ground, engineered to reduce pressure differentials between storm and structure. A roof with eves is always guaranteed to be sucked up...But a bald dome...No way..Tornado would just move on...

That's a good idea, Grant.


There were several who were protected from the wind damage...yet drowned from flooding in the basement.

Domes can be a full, symmetrical structure (Think like Iceburg with visible tip) evenly balanced for right exposure topside, and full watertight, tempature integrity below the surface.

They already have prototypes and even tested a full ecosystem somewhere in Arizona). The materials they uses these days for insulation (i.e the foam) is abundant. The trick is to find a cost effective exterior for the elevations of the structure. Those take the most beatings

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PaperDog wrote:

yod wrote:

PaperDog wrote:Design Design Design.... I wonder if it ever occurred to these guys to build their structures (i.. schools) like domes, low to ground, engineered to reduce pressure differentials between storm and structure. A roof with eves is always guaranteed to be sucked up...But a bald dome...No way..Tornado would just move on...

That's a good idea, Grant.


There were several who were protected from the wind damage...yet drowned from flooding in the basement.

Domes can be a full, symmetrical structure (Think like Iceburg with visible tip) evenly balanced for right exposure topside, and full watertight, tempature integrity below the surface.

They already have prototypes and even tested a full ecosystem somewhere in Arizona). The materials they uses these days for insulation (i.e the foam) is abundant. The trick is to find a cost effective exterior for the elevations of the structure. Those take the most beatings

I'm with you on this one- they build office buildings to be earthquake resistant in LA, no reason they can't build tornado resistant structures in the midwest. It's always about money. Follow the damn money, screw the common good.

I know some people who lived in Moore, OK a few dcades ago - the elementary school was destroyed back then. Then again in 1999. They really need to rethink it all.

In my wildest imagination I can not imagine crawling our of the debris and seeing that kind of devastation.

I was greatly unimpressed at the politicians that ran to the microphones and cameras to push their climate change agenda amongst other things.

I was also unimpressed with the spews media that went to 91 dead and that it was a class 4 to the lower numbers and then to a class 5. Their reporting was worthless speculation presented as facts in almost every case.

I pray for those people who have gone from having a nice home and some possessions to absolutely NOTHING in a matter of minutes. How empty they must feel, how hopelessness must overwhelm them at times.

May God comfort them in their times of need.

jimmydanger wrote:Hmmm, build schools (and everything else) underground if you live in a tornado-prone area? This is the seventh serious tornado to hit Moore in the past twenty years, yet people always return and rebuild. Seems to me the only practical things to do are move or go underground.

That has merit.The dome Idea is OK but I think the cost is higher.Going under ground is logical even a dome might tip over in higher winds.sh*t man,dig a hole,bury a a clean air,cooling and heating efficient,and can made into an ergo environment modeled to a class room.I tell ya the damn thing has merit.

I just got an email from the church - the Wisconsin Lutheran Synod.

We have an outfit called "Kingdom Workers" who are heading out there. They were in NY for 9/11, did Katrina etc.

The good thing is that are mostly older retired guys from various trades who work for no pay and distribute the money and supplies we in the congregation contribute for disaster relief. They help with construction, clean up and so on.

Our over head is about 3 % which is pretty radical. I'm desperately proud of my boys tonight.

Talbot