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Just a reminder of what can happen if you don't take all the guns away.

Glen

The Finns are the only people I can think of who stood up to Stalin's enormous military and survived the experience. Twice!

Talbot

MikeTalbot wrote:Glen

The Finns are the only people I can think of who stood up to Stalin's enormous military and survived the experience. Twice!

Talbot

Mike you are obviously a Learned man of intelligence. Unfortunately many take history with out any concern.

Did you know LAPUA 338 came out of that conflict? Finnish round. Knockdown power at a mile and a half. Jimmy is afraid of 223 fired in an assault weapon, maximum knockdown range... less than a 1/2 mile(880 yards) (I doubt that)

The truth is that the political forces have led innocent minds to believe that these assault weapons are so dangerous. I laugh because I just saw a guy with a 50 cal Desert eagle hit a 200 yard target on iron sights, with a 7 inch grouping, 5 out of 7. Holy Cow. That guy is far more dangerous than any spray and pray assault weapon.

That isn't the point... It is the bullnonsense that real men will never put up with. No matter what the odds.

Thanks Mike.

history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Be nice if you elaborated just a bit on that France and Egypt thing.
Egypt just threw out one dictator... for another.
France just elected a thief that believes it is OK to steal and redistribute.

I don't need to revisit those history lessons. They are too recent to even call them history.

OK... scary. Here is a part of the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

Just another lesson from the past. This one is about the resilience and ingenuity of FREE MEN.

When the Russians invaded Finland it was such a slaughter that every Finnish soldier needed psychological help from the feelings of guilt for having killed so many men per day.

They totally massacred the Russians and yet they just kept coming, day after day like wheat through a threshing machine.



Which gives me an idea for a great band name....Red Snow

GLENNY J wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Be nice if you elaborated just a bit on that France and Egypt thing.
Egypt just threw out one dictator... for another.
France just elected a thief that believes it is OK to steal and redistribute.

I don't need to revisit those history lessons. They are too recent to even call them history.

In both cases the people UNITED and took to the streets and protested, in great numbers. In egypt moreso, even the brutal and violent regime couldn't mow down 10's of thousands of protesters in the public spotlight.

Guns aren't the answer, uniting is. Why do you think they've spent so much time and resources over the years with wedge issues and dividing us?

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

I disagree with you guy, just saw a documentary film on PBS last night about the Syrian rebels, and they used a pickup truck with some sort of rocket launcher in the bed and used fog as cover to sneak up on a Government stronghold across the river to attack..

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

I disagree with you guy, just saw a documentary film on PBS last night about the Syrian rebels, and they used a pickup truck with some sort of rocket launcher in the bed and used fog as cover to sneak up on a Government stronghold across the river to attack..

But have they won the war yet?


Every situation is different. For example, IF Palestinians truly wanted their own nation, they would stop using violence as their primary strategy.

THIS is what an armed rebellion in America would/could look like, as local citizens take control of changing their local reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw



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Kramerguy wrote:

GLENNY J wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Be nice if you elaborated just a bit on that France and Egypt thing.
Egypt just threw out one dictator... for another.
France just elected a thief that believes it is OK to steal and redistribute.

I don't need to revisit those history lessons. They are too recent to even call them history.

In both cases the people UNITED and took to the streets and protested, in great numbers. In egypt moreso, even the brutal and violent regime couldn't mow down 10's of thousands of protesters in the public spotlight.

Guns aren't the answer, uniting is. Why do you think they've spent so much time and resources over the years with wedge issues and dividing us?

Yeah, but hitler could, stallin could, etc. Not the same circumstance as the people in Cambodia. These were protests with no clear person in "CHARGE" except for the military that had the weapons but didn't have any one leader willing to do what hitler did.

You are protesting, when you don't understand the difference.

No, I'm not protesting without understanding the difference, but you are correct that MOST people are- OWS was a case-point on that one. Their failings should be used as a lesson in how to do it better next time. But the wedge issues I talked about are the biggest reason WHY nobody knows wtf they are protesting about-

My points about egypt and france was it was ONE specific reason, or really a host of reasons that led to a specifc outrage.. but one umbrella for everyone to unite under.

If you really look at how well they have pitted most americans against each other (hell.. the bmix forums are a PERFECT example of that!), it becomes pretty clear that they don't want us to unite. In this respect, I actually appreciate the gun lobby efforts to unite so many under a single umbrella, but still the country is 50% divided on that topic alone. Howard Zinn documents the amount of focus the wealthy landownders in colonial days placed on division, because they knew if the slaves, the indians, or the indentured servants EVER united, that they could easily wipe out the ruling class. This always has been the SOP for our ruling class, because it works.

We're smarter now, but so is our ruling class.

Why so much propaganda? Why so much effort? Because for things to stay the same they need for you, me, jeff, paperdog, mike, and scotty to fight amongst ourselves and argue over sh*t that don't matter, because if we don't, we might realize what does matter. And that is simple: That we are ruled. We are sheep. All of us. Servants. Slaves to debt, society, religion, war.

I could go on for days.. but that won't change anything.

We're all americans. We're all on the same team. We have an abusive coach, abusive owners. They got us blaming each other for losing the game, but the game is, and always was- rigged.

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Yah! I'm waiting for my drone to arrive in the mail. I ordered one about 2 weeks ago. Long live the 2nd Amendment!

Kramerguy wrote:

GLENNY J wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Be nice if you elaborated just a bit on that France and Egypt thing.
Egypt just threw out one dictator... for another.
France just elected a thief that believes it is OK to steal and redistribute.

I don't need to revisit those history lessons. They are too recent to even call them history.

In both cases the people UNITED and took to the streets and protested, in great numbers. In egypt moreso, even the brutal and violent regime couldn't mow down 10's of thousands of protesters in the public spotlight.

Guns aren't the answer, uniting is. Why do you think they've spent so much time and resources over the years with wedge issues and dividing us?

Guns aren't the answer! Tell that to pol pot when he used his guns to KILL more than a million of his own people. He did a very great job of uniting them with peaceful unification.

WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU????.... TO TAKE AWAY HIS GUNS?!?!

GLENNY J wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:

GLENNY J wrote:

Kramerguy wrote:history is great. In 1940-something, you could certainly mount a strong resistance. With today's drones.. not so much.

History is great, but not a good idea to take popular uprisings from a wholly different world of technology and apply them to today.

We should be learning from France and Egypt.. not just about what to do, but also what NOT to do!

Be nice if you elaborated just a bit on that France and Egypt thing.
Egypt just threw out one dictator... for another.
France just elected a thief that believes it is OK to steal and redistribute.

I don't need to revisit those history lessons. They are too recent to even call them history.

In both cases the people UNITED and took to the streets and protested, in great numbers. In egypt moreso, even the brutal and violent regime couldn't mow down 10's of thousands of protesters in the public spotlight.

Guns aren't the answer, uniting is. Why do you think they've spent so much time and resources over the years with wedge issues and dividing us?

Guns aren't the answer! Tell that to pol pot when he used his guns to KILL more than a million of his own people. He did a very great job of uniting them with peaceful unification.

WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU????.... TO TAKE AWAY HIS GUNS?!?!

Egypt: Again, few if any of the protesters had guns.

Do you really think even our government could mow down a million protestors and survive the public and world outrage? Do you think they could even remotely engineer the media blackout that would be required to keep it under the rug? Nope. Guns have nothing to do with this type of citizen upheaval.

Guns come into play AFTER 1 million get mowed down, in the name of domestic terrorism (freedom fighters!). If you think about it, even the rebel alliance in star wars was by USA definition, nothing more than a terrorist outfit.

But now they have drones. Militias, no matter how many guns, will be blown up by a video game from 1000 miles away.

I do AGREE that guns will be extremely valuable IF society as a whole breaks down, but will be fairly useless in fighting the government should things come down to that. Mass protests are the only real option.