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And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Huge mistake. ALL drugs should be legal, taxed and regulated. Medicalized (highly regulated) heroin is legal in Switzerland now. No cartels. Tax revenues on MJ would buy a lot of education and medicalization programs and remove power from drug cartels.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/ ... VI20101025
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node ... 81Jal.dpbs

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

"Just Say No!"

I didn't work before.
So, why would it work now?

I think ending prohibition against marijuana has the best chance of success.
It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as cocaine or meth.
I don't think there is much advocating for legalizing harder drugs.
But, I think shutting down the DEA and ending the drug war altogether would be the wisest course of action if we want the cartels to stop and have our constitutional rights back.

Mike Nobody wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

"Just Say No!"

I didn't work before.
So, why would it work now?

I think ending prohibition against marijuana has the best chance of success.
It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as cocaine or meth.
I don't think there is much advocating for legalizing harder drugs.
But, I think shutting down the DEA and ending the drug war altogether would be the wisest course of action if we want the cartels to stop and have our constitutional rights back.

Actually "Just say no" DID work in California (For a while)

California was the Drug Den of the 60's and 70's. Homeland of Timothy Leary and Haight & Ashbury (I have stood on that corner ) Its reputation was so bad that the state initiated a 'Say no to drugs' campaign. Within 3-5 years, the states reputation jumped from Druggies To naturalists and purists and yuppydom. California was straight as an arrow by the end of the housing-bottom drop of the eighties...and This lasted until grunge came about. Then drug usage kicked up again...

Its a cycle, but the campaign did work. American kids are so desparate to 'fit in' somehow, that they are willing to poison themselves to achive the image.. Cartels rely on that vanity to succeed. The trick is to teach kids to not be so vain.

PaperDog wrote:Actually "Just say no" DID work in California (For a while).

Suuuuure it did.
Crack was just a figment of our imagination.

PaperDog wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

"Just Say No!"

I didn't work before.
So, why would it work now?

I think ending prohibition against marijuana has the best chance of success.
It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as cocaine or meth.
I don't think there is much advocating for legalizing harder drugs.
But, I think shutting down the DEA and ending the drug war altogether would be the wisest course of action if we want the cartels to stop and have our constitutional rights back.

Actually "Just say no" DID work in California (For a while)

California was the Drug Den of the 60's and 70's. Homeland of Timothy Leary and Haight & Ashbury (I have stood on that corner ) Its reputation was so bad that the state initiated a 'Say no to drugs' campaign. Within 3-5 years, the states reputation jumped from Druggies To naturalists and purists and yuppydom. California was straight as an arrow by the end of the housing-bottom drop of the eighties...and This lasted until grunge came about. Then drug usage kicked up again...

Its a cycle, but the campaign did work. American kids are so desparate to 'fit in' somehow, that they are willing to poison themselves to achive the image.. Cartels rely on that vanity to succeed. The trick is to teach kids to not be so vain.

WRONG! In California the price of weed doubled over the summer of 84' ... domestic weed became expensive and scarce, imports from Hawaii ceased as well ... sales of Mexican weed increased.

This did not happen because Nancey just said "no"


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Created in 1983, the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting (CAMP) is a multi-agency law enforcement task force managed by the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement and composed of local, state and federal agencies organized expressly to eradicate illegal cannabis cultivation and trafficking in California. With more than 110 agencies having participated, CAMP is the largest law enforcement task force in the United States.

CAMP's stated primary objectives include "reducing the supply of marijuana to the illegal drug trade by eradicating the large marijuana crop sites; increasing public and environmental safety by removing marijuana growers from public and private lands; investigating indoor growing operations; deterring potential growers; and promoting public information and education on marijuana." [1]

CAMP agents are divided into five teams covering Northern, Central and Southern California regions. Headed by the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement, CAMP includes local, state and federal agencies that work to eradicate illegal indoor and outdoor cannabis cultivation and trafficking throughout California.

Yep, "Just say no" simply raised the price and further empowered drug cartels. EXACTLY like the Chicago mafia during 30s prohibition. If you think drug use died out in Calif. during the 80s you probably weren't in Calif. I lost a bunch of friends to cocaine, freebase, meth, speedballs, etc. during those years.

This was a guy I grew up with. He was an AMAZING guitarist and also played a little baseball. He never did drugs till the 80s and I believe if we handled drug abuse differently in this country he would still be here today. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news ... id=5543839

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

VinnyViolin wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

"Just Say No!"

I didn't work before.
So, why would it work now?

I think ending prohibition against marijuana has the best chance of success.
It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as cocaine or meth.
I don't think there is much advocating for legalizing harder drugs.
But, I think shutting down the DEA and ending the drug war altogether would be the wisest course of action if we want the cartels to stop and have our constitutional rights back.

Actually "Just say no" DID work in California (For a while)

California was the Drug Den of the 60's and 70's. Homeland of Timothy Leary and Haight & Ashbury (I have stood on that corner ) Its reputation was so bad that the state initiated a 'Say no to drugs' campaign. Within 3-5 years, the states reputation jumped from Druggies To naturalists and purists and yuppydom. California was straight as an arrow by the end of the housing-bottom drop of the eighties...and This lasted until grunge came about. Then drug usage kicked up again...

Its a cycle, but the campaign did work. American kids are so desparate to 'fit in' somehow, that they are willing to poison themselves to achive the image.. Cartels rely on that vanity to succeed. The trick is to teach kids to not be so vain.

WRONG! In California the price of weed doubled over the summer of 84' ... domestic weed became expensive and scarce, imports from Hawaii ceased as well ... sales of Mexican weed increased.

This did not happen because Nancey just said "no"


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Created in 1983, the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting (CAMP) is a multi-agency law enforcement task force managed by the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement and composed of local, state and federal agencies organized expressly to eradicate illegal cannabis cultivation and trafficking in California. With more than 110 agencies having participated, CAMP is the largest law enforcement task force in the United States.

CAMP's stated primary objectives include "reducing the supply of marijuana to the illegal drug trade by eradicating the large marijuana crop sites; increasing public and environmental safety by removing marijuana growers from public and private lands; investigating indoor growing operations; deterring potential growers; and promoting public information and education on marijuana." [1]

CAMP agents are divided into five teams covering Northern, Central and Southern California regions. Headed by the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement, CAMP includes local, state and federal agencies that work to eradicate illegal indoor and outdoor cannabis cultivation and trafficking throughout California.

i never said it was the 'only' factor... Of course the legislation had to attack the crops.etc... But nobody 'disputed' the sentiments...which in turn gave the green light for the state to impose sanction against drugs. Admittedlty, the Just say no Drugs was a marketing mantra... I admit that. The programs the state exercised...which included economic measeures to increase the prices of weed, all came from Nancy's mantra... Thems the facts... i was there when it happened. Did ALL californians comply...? Of course not... But MORE californians follwed through than in previous decades. You also have to remember that California was fighting for an image recovery. Businesses were skeptical of moving to California, believing it was a hippie acid state... The measures were aggresive... Busts, trials were harsher... Sheeit...My nephew got detained by a CA state trooper, just for having a pipe in theglove compartment, (when he got stopped) They dong messa round in CA anymore...and havent for some time.

PaperDog wrote:

VinnyViolin wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

"Just Say No!"

I didn't work before.
So, why would it work now?

I think ending prohibition against marijuana has the best chance of success.
It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as cocaine or meth.
I don't think there is much advocating for legalizing harder drugs.
But, I think shutting down the DEA and ending the drug war altogether would be the wisest course of action if we want the cartels to stop and have our constitutional rights back.

Actually "Just say no" DID work in California (For a while)

California was the Drug Den of the 60's and 70's. Homeland of Timothy Leary and Haight & Ashbury (I have stood on that corner ) Its reputation was so bad that the state initiated a 'Say no to drugs' campaign. Within 3-5 years, the states reputation jumped from Druggies To naturalists and purists and yuppydom. California was straight as an arrow by the end of the housing-bottom drop of the eighties...and This lasted until grunge came about. Then drug usage kicked up again...

Its a cycle, but the campaign did work. American kids are so desparate to 'fit in' somehow, that they are willing to poison themselves to achive the image.. Cartels rely on that vanity to succeed. The trick is to teach kids to not be so vain.

WRONG! In California the price of weed doubled over the summer of 84' ... domestic weed became expensive and scarce, imports from Hawaii ceased as well ... sales of Mexican weed increased.

This did not happen because Nancey just said "no"


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Created in 1983, the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting (CAMP) is a multi-agency law enforcement task force managed by the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement and composed of local, state and federal agencies organized expressly to eradicate illegal cannabis cultivation and trafficking in California. With more than 110 agencies having participated, CAMP is the largest law enforcement task force in the United States.

CAMP's stated primary objectives include "reducing the supply of marijuana to the illegal drug trade by eradicating the large marijuana crop sites; increasing public and environmental safety by removing marijuana growers from public and private lands; investigating indoor growing operations; deterring potential growers; and promoting public information and education on marijuana." [1]

CAMP agents are divided into five teams covering Northern, Central and Southern California regions. Headed by the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement, CAMP includes local, state and federal agencies that work to eradicate illegal indoor and outdoor cannabis cultivation and trafficking throughout California.

i never said it was the 'only' factor... Of course the legislation had to attack the crops.etc... But nobody 'disputed' the sentiments...which in turn gave the green light for the state to impose sanction against drugs. Admittedlty, the Just say no Drugs was a marketing mantra... I admit that. The programs the state exercised...which included economic measeures to increase the prices of weed, all came from Nancy's mantra... Thems the facts... i was there when it happened. Did ALL californians comply...? Of course not... But MORE californians follwed through than in previous decades. You also have to remember that California was fighting for an image recovery. Businesses were skeptical of moving to California, believing it was a hippie acid state... The measures were aggresive... Busts, trials were harsher... Sheeit...My nephew got detained by a CA state trooper, just for having a pipe in theglove compartment, (when he got stopped) They dong messa round in CA anymore...and havent for some time.

Interesting where a lot of funding for this and Partnership For Drug Free America comes from ... million dollars worth of funding from major pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol corporations including American Brands (Jim Beam whiskey), Philip Morris (Marlboro and Virginia Slims cigarettes, Miller beer), Anheuser Busch (Budweiser, Michelob, Busch beer), R.J. Reynolds (Camel, Salem, Winston cigarettes), as well as pharmaceutical firms Bristol Meyers-Squibb, Merck & Company and Procter & Gamble.

... if you could successfully teach kids not to seek fulfillment of their vanities by product consumption, you would represent an existential threat to the present economy's major players, orders of magnitude above and beyond any threat posed by cannabis use!

My only problem with legalization is that FEDGOV would then steal more money for it's disgusting initiatives.

I have no problem with legalizing all of it. Wasn't a problem before the idiots made it illegal. After the CivWar there were quite literally several million wounded veterans who never really healed. (the assault weapons of that age were 60 caliber - makes a big hole)

Those men used heroin, morphine, laudanum - whatever it took. They got it at the drug store over the counter. And got on with their lives.

Of course there are always dipshits like Freud who got his mom strung out on Coke.

Yet why isn't coke legal? The one time, many years ago, that a dentist injected me with coke, was the only time I really didn't want to choke the dentist! It actually worked with one shot - what they use now can take up to five shots. Thanks govt buffoons, for taking care of me.

Talbot

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

FYI Grant, I'll never get bored with "Drankin alkyhol"

J-HALEY wrote:

PaperDog wrote:

Thejohnny7band wrote:And the solution is so simple. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs and put the violent cartels out of business.

We still need to learn the lessons of 1930s prohibition. If we can't keep drugs out of federal prisons, there is no hope to keep them off the streets. The war on drugs is over.

Not True, unless you intend to include ALL drugs...

We can legalize weed all day long. But as long as heroin and cocaine exists, (And they will Never be legallized) , there will be Cartels.

Weed is not necessarily a gateway drug, but it can get boring for some folks..(Same with Alchohol ).. We have legalized Alchohol, and the Cartels still exist. When we have Weed legalized, Cartels will still exist.

The only way to stop Cartel activity is to stop 'paying' into it...People pay into it when they purchase...even the tiniest joint or gram...
Teach your kids to abstain from these drugs... an the problem will go away.

FYI Grant, I'll never get bored with "Drankin alkyhol"

LOl Jis remember...They ainta makin livers like that , anymore...