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I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

I gave Wikipedia a quick look.
Robin Hood's origins are more confusing than The Joker's from Batman.
There appears to be no definitive PERSON that the character is based on.
Rather, the mythology seems to have risen by many sources.
It is a character of popular folklore based on the actions of many people combined together into one person.
At least, that's the impression I've gotten from the Wikipedia article.

Of course he was a thief.
"STEAL from the rich and give to the poor."
But, he was also a hero of good deeds.
This makes his character a complex individual, neither black nor white... existing in a moral gray area.
Sorta like Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean.

It could be argued that he was enforcing social justice, where the law had failed.
It is a failure of the state and the economic system (feudalism) that motivates him.
So, rather than being a mere thief, he could be viewed as an economic vigilante.

Mike Nobody wrote:

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

I gave Wikipedia a quick look.
Robin Hood's origins are more confusing than The Joker's from Batman.
There appears to be no definitive PERSON that the character is based on.
Rather, the mythology seems to have risen by many sources.
It is a character of popular folklore based on the actions of many people combined together into one person.
At least, that's the impression I've gotten from the Wikipedia article.

Of course he was a thief.
"STEAL from the rich and give to the poor."
But, he was also a hero of good deeds.
This makes his character a complex individual, neither black nor white... existing in a moral gray area.
Sorta like Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean.

It could be argued that he was enforcing social justice, where the law had failed.
It is a failure of the state and the economic system (feudalism) that motivates him.
So, rather than being a mere thief, he could be viewed as an economic vigilante.

Bullshit! The man was a THIEF! When stealing from anyone there is NO gray area! Its black or white. Most civilizations view it this way. Don't believe me go to the middle east and steal something from anyone, you'll wind up walking around with one hand! Stealing IS NOT OKAY PEOPLE its phukin THEFT PERIOD! IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

J-HALEY wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

I gave Wikipedia a quick look.
Robin Hood's origins are more confusing than The Joker's from Batman.
There appears to be no definitive PERSON that the character is based on.
Rather, the mythology seems to have risen by many sources.
It is a character of popular folklore based on the actions of many people combined together into one person.
At least, that's the impression I've gotten from the Wikipedia article.

Of course he was a thief.
"STEAL from the rich and give to the poor."
But, he was also a hero of good deeds.
This makes his character a complex individual, neither black nor white... existing in a moral gray area.
Sorta like Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean.

It could be argued that he was enforcing social justice, where the law had failed.
It is a failure of the state and the economic system (feudalism) that motivates him.
So, rather than being a mere thief, he could be viewed as an economic vigilante.

Bullshit! The man was a THIEF! When stealing from anyone there is NO gray area! Its black or white. Most civilizations view it this way. Don't believe me go to the middle east and steal something from anyone, you'll wind up walking around with one hand! Stealing IS NOT OKAY PEOPLE its phukin THEFT PERIOD! IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

Y'see?
That binary, linear, way of thinking is why conservatives aren't very deep thinkers and miss a lot of things.
In the conservative mind, there are no gray areas.
In reality, there is.
Liberals are just more inclined to look for what is "real" than what is "preferred".

Nope, liberals are STUPID enough to view the world as Ya'll believe it should be in a pipedream! The universe is a cruel place, so suck it up Mike you can do it! Ya'll may want to through the future of this country away but I have kids and grandkids. You may not care about the future but I do for their sake! Do ya have kids Mike? Be Honest! Not cats KIDS!

J-HALEY wrote:Nope, liberals are STUPID enough to view the world as Ya'll believe it should be in a pipedream! The universe is a cruel place, so suck it up Mike you can do it! Ya'll may want to through the future of this country away but I have kids and grandkids. You may not care about the future but I do for their sake! Do ya have kids Mike? Be Honest! Not cats KIDS!

The universe is a cruel place?
Not really.
It just IS.
It's not cruel or kind.
It doesn't have any motivation one way or another.

Example:
The other day ago I answered an ad on Craigslist for a video projector, pretty cheap.
The woman selling it wanted to meet me at a Wal-Mart, a long distance from my home.
So, okay, I figure it's a really good deal and I want that projector, for our band to use at shows.

My car is falling apart, dude; no muffler, the doors are falling off, the trunk and hood won't close, no heat.
My feet go numb driving in the cold.
I cannot drive it on the freeway or the hood will fly up over the windshield.
It sucks.
But, amazingly, it still runs.

So, I drove all the way out there to meet this woman and buy her projector.
I look for an hour in the cold and cannot find her.
We must have missed each other.

So, a little annoyed and frozen to the bone, I drive back home.
The gas is getting low.
So, I know I need to find a gas station soon.
Only, I didn't find one soon enough and she died on me...halfway from home.

I was pushing the car out of the way when a minivan pulled up beside me.
An asian woman, Korean I think, asked if I need help.
I told her I was okay.
But, she helped me push it anyway.
I was gonna take a gas can and walk to the nearest station.
But, she offered to drive me.
It was a few miles.
So, that was cool.
And then, she offered to drive me back to the car, after she dropped something off at a friend's house!
So, I only had to wait at the gas station.
I got warm, had some coffee & donuts, and even used the bathroom.
She wasn't gone long.
Just a few minutes.
So, I gassed up the car.
A cop was watching me suspiciously, as if I was stealing my own car or something.
But, he pretty much left me alone and just stood there with his lights flashing, while I gassed up.

The next day I couldn't find my wallet.
I was worried that I may have left it at the gas station or beside that road!
But, I went out to the car and there it was on the ground, in plain sight... undisturbed.
It must have fallen out of my pocket.

So, all in all, it wasn't exactly a great day.
But, it wasn't ALL bad either.


The universe isn't cruel or kind.
It just doesn't really give a damn one way or another.

J-HALEY wrote:Nope, liberals are STUPID enough to view the world as Ya'll believe it should be in a pipedream! The universe is a cruel place, so suck it up Mike you can do it! Ya'll may want to through the future of this country away but I have kids and grandkids. You may not care about the future but I do for their sake! Do ya have kids Mike? Be Honest! Not cats KIDS!

Well using your own logic, why would you bother to care about them? It's a cruel world, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they fail, it's because they are lazy and unmotivated. Don't leave them any entitlements either, because entitlements clearly make people dependent on the system that provides them.

Kramerguy wrote:

J-HALEY wrote:Nope, liberals are STUPID enough to view the world as Ya'll believe it should be in a pipedream! The universe is a cruel place, so suck it up Mike you can do it! Ya'll may want to through the future of this country away but I have kids and grandkids. You may not care about the future but I do for their sake! Do ya have kids Mike? Be Honest! Not cats KIDS!

Well using your own logic, why would you bother to care about them? It's a cruel world, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they fail, it's because they are lazy and unmotivated. Don't leave them any entitlements either, because entitlements clearly make people dependent on the system that provides them.

I could not have said it better myself Kramer! I had to pick myself up by the bootstraps so why should anyone else get a free ride. IMO There are some that need a helping hand like you and MAYBE Mike! The rest of the freeloaders are whining like little babies when they live in the land of opportunity. Get up brush off the dirt and try again. If you fail this time get up brush the dirt off and try again. Thats how it worked for me Brother and 100% of the folks living the good life learn the same EXACT WAY!

I never asked for help. I demonstrated how I got caught in a circular spiral of little chance of life improvement. I never once asked for help.

I do PETITION for a FAIR wage though, which would help me, and more importantly - others who are in greater need, immensely.

Remember the GOP of the 50's was PRO-UNION

J-HALEY wrote: IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

I'm guessing you never saw Les Mis ?


I'm on a roll today !

Deadguitars wrote:

J-HALEY wrote: IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

I'm guessing you never saw Les Mis ?


I'm on a roll today !

I think Jeff identifies with the cop, not the guy who stole a loaf of bread.

J-HALEY wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

I gave Wikipedia a quick look.
Robin Hood's origins are more confusing than The Joker's from Batman.
There appears to be no definitive PERSON that the character is based on.
Rather, the mythology seems to have risen by many sources.
It is a character of popular folklore based on the actions of many people combined together into one person.
At least, that's the impression I've gotten from the Wikipedia article.

Of course he was a thief.
"STEAL from the rich and give to the poor."
But, he was also a hero of good deeds.
This makes his character a complex individual, neither black nor white... existing in a moral gray area.
Sorta like Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean.

It could be argued that he was enforcing social justice, where the law had failed.
It is a failure of the state and the economic system (feudalism) that motivates him.
So, rather than being a mere thief, he could be viewed as an economic vigilante.

Bullshit! The man was a THIEF! When stealing from anyone there is NO gray area! Its black or white. Most civilizations view it this way. Don't believe me go to the middle east and steal something from anyone, you'll wind up walking around with one hand! Stealing IS NOT OKAY PEOPLE its phukin THEFT PERIOD! IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

that is laughable, the psychiatric tests most employers were testing employees ( applicants) had usually a question dealing with "Have You Ever Stole From Workplace"? if you answered no you failed that portion of the test..REASON BEING 100% of employees have taken a pencil home and thus have stolen property, it's a documented fact..another thing, people who are claiming they are not a thief, are indirectly stealing when they drive over the speed limit 1 mph.. they are lawbreakers like a thief is..

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:

J-HALEY wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I believe Robin Hood existed in the real world, and his purpose was to steal from the rich to give to the poor? if he indeed did exist as most history books attest to, was he a thief? or a worker of good deeds?

I gave Wikipedia a quick look.
Robin Hood's origins are more confusing than The Joker's from Batman.
There appears to be no definitive PERSON that the character is based on.
Rather, the mythology seems to have risen by many sources.
It is a character of popular folklore based on the actions of many people combined together into one person.
At least, that's the impression I've gotten from the Wikipedia article.

Of course he was a thief.
"STEAL from the rich and give to the poor."
But, he was also a hero of good deeds.
This makes his character a complex individual, neither black nor white... existing in a moral gray area.
Sorta like Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean.

It could be argued that he was enforcing social justice, where the law had failed.
It is a failure of the state and the economic system (feudalism) that motivates him.
So, rather than being a mere thief, he could be viewed as an economic vigilante.

Bullshit! The man was a THIEF! When stealing from anyone there is NO gray area! Its black or white. Most civilizations view it this way. Don't believe me go to the middle east and steal something from anyone, you'll wind up walking around with one hand! Stealing IS NOT OKAY PEOPLE its phukin THEFT PERIOD! IMO anyone that steals is a lazy worthless drain on humanity and peice of SH!T!

that is laughable, the psychiatric tests most employers were testing employees ( applicants) had usually a question dealing with "Have You Ever Stole From Workplace"? if you answered no you failed that portion of the test..REASON BEING 100% of employees have taken a pencil home and thus have stolen property, it's a documented fact..another thing, people who are claiming they are not a thief, are indirectly stealing when they drive over the speed limit 1 mph.. they are lawbreakers like a thief is..

Like I said you libs will find a loophole EVERYTIME! You sound like a criminal Dane? I'm starting to think maybe there was some truth to Lynard's accusations? I still think a thief is a piece of SH!T!

There is an old Alfred Hitchcock movie, Lifeboat.
A group of survivors from a sunken cruise ship are adrift in the ocean during WW2.
It turns out one of them is a Nazi spy.
HE sank the ship.

As they go on day after day, without food or water, the Nazi is rowing... toward Germany.
It seems like this guy is unusually healthy, for being in their situation.
Then, they discover that he has a hidden stash of food & water.
Although weak from hunger and dehydration, they eventually overpower him and throw him to the sharks.
They change direction and are later rescued by a British ship, I think.

It has been a long time since I saw the movie.
But, it went something like that.

Now, in this situation, the Nazi is the sole person onboard with anything to eat or drink.
He's exploiting the situation to take prisoners into Nazi Germany, who are so desperate to be rescued a concentration camp sounds like paradise.

Does it make it immoral to steal from the Nazi?
It's his supplies.
He's taking them to land... where they will probably be sent to a gas chamber, eventually.
Or, do circumstances change the dynamics of morality?
Aren't there gray areas?

Mike Nobody wrote:There is an old Alfred Hitchcock movie, Lifeboat.
A group of survivors from a sunken cruise ship are adrift in the ocean during WW2.
It turns out one of them is a Nazi spy.
HE sank the ship.

As they go on day after day, without food or water, the Nazi is rowing... toward Germany.
It seems like this guy is unusually healthy, for being in their situation.
Then, they discover that he has a hidden stash of food & water.
Although weak from hunger and dehydration, they eventually overpower him and throw him to the sharks.
They change direction and are later rescued by a British ship, I think.

It has been a long time since I saw the movie.
But, it went something like that.

Now, in this situation, the Nazi is the sole person onboard with anything to eat or drink.
He's exploiting the situation to take prisoners into Nazi Germany, who are so desperate to be rescued a concentration camp sounds like paradise.

Does it make it immoral to steal from the Nazi?
It's his supplies.
He's taking them to land... where they will probably be sent to a gas chamber, eventually.
Or, do circumstances change the dynamics of morality?
Aren't there gray areas?

I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing Mikey! I can't stomach so much bullshit it makes me want to puke! I will say that its anoder loophole from a bitter person! One that hates the world because he feels it took a dump on him! I am truley sorry for you Mikey!