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Don't get it twisted Mike. It is tough all over right now under essentially every form of govt and every economic system. There are no easy fixes. In fact the pursuit of an "easy fix" often turns out to be much worse:

http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=68

Hang in there brother.

Thejohnny7band wrote:Don't get it twisted Mike. It is tough all over right now under essentially every form of govt and every economic system. There are no easy fixes. In fact the pursuit of an "easy fix" often turns out to be much worse:

http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=68

Hang in there brother.

The difference between capitalism and communism is; under communism you get royally f*cked by government bureaucrats.

Under capitalism, you get royally f*cked by corporate bureaucrats AND government bureaucrats AND the 1% elite who own them BOTH.

Either way, you're pretty f*cked.

The difference is, under capitalism at least you get to choose your date.

Thejohnny7band wrote:The difference is, under capitalism at least you get to choose your date.

I'll be happy when the whole thing collapses and Star Trekonomics kicks in.


Abolish money and automate everything!

This isn't a capitalist country anymore. It's a socialist country.
Has been for awhile.

gtZip wrote:This isn't a capitalist country anymore. It's a socialist country.
Has been for awhile.

Socialism would at least be an improvement.
We have fascism.

Apparently there's no optimum way to run a country.

fisherman bob wrote:Apparently there's no optimum way to run a country.

No one has tried to eliminate the monetary system yet.
Not in thousands of years of human civilization has it ever been even attempted.
Even the Russians still had Rubles under communism.

Mike Nobody wrote:

fisherman bob wrote:Apparently there's no optimum way to run a country.

No one has tried to eliminate the monetary system yet.
Not in thousands of years of human civilization has it ever been even attempted.

Not true Mike. Hundreds of communes have been formed in NorCal and Oregon based completely on non-monetary agrarian society living completely off the land and off the grid. The problem is they only last a few years before the system breaks down. Members leave when they are starving, freezing, or it turns into a Mad Max society. Hundreds of attempts, no successes.

Thejohnny7band wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

fisherman bob wrote:Apparently there's no optimum way to run a country.

No one has tried to eliminate the monetary system yet.
Not in thousands of years of human civilization has it ever been even attempted.

Not true Mike. Hundreds of communes have been formed in NorCal and Oregon based completely on non-monetary agrarian society living completely off the land and off the grid. The problem is they only last a few years before the system breaks down. Members leave when they are starving, freezing, or it turns into a Mad Max society. Hundreds of attempts, no successes.

Well, I am speaking of nations, not individual communes.

If it is untenable on a small scale, what makes you think it would work on a larger scale?

Here is one of the key problems identified by economist James Buchanan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbDrP7whqw

Thejohnny7band wrote:If it is untenable on a small scale, what makes you think it would work on a larger scale?

Here is one of the key problems identified by economist James Buchanan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbDrP7whqw

Capitalism AND communism are both pretty successful on a small scale.
But, when economics becomes more abstract, less tangible, all sorts of problems creep in.
It is a fundamental detachment from the reality of everyone's actions that create so much misery for so many people.

BTW, James Buchanan won a nobel prize for pointing out that politicians are corruptible? DUH! NO SH!T!