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would you sell your guns above true market value if your local community had organized a "gun buyback program"?

Dane Ellis Allen wrote:would you sell your guns above true market value if your local community had organized a "gun buyback program"?

Nope.
Might trade up, though.

Depends..

If the item was a no frills handgun, shotgun or rifle, maybe..

If I had an old "Sturmgewehr", I'd be looking to buy some ammo/casing/re-loader supplies.

I would have done it a year ago - just to trade up. (although you have to go way up like Saiga to better an 870)

If you have a decent battle rifle or tac shotgun it would be wise to hold on. A bird in hand and all that.

If you will allow govt to confiscate your battle rifle if they so decide - then it would follow that this would be a good time to sell.

I went to a gunstore today to use the range facility and a nice young fellow gave me a furtive look and whisphered "They have AK mags. 3 mag limit @25.00 per mag." Thanks brother. Very hard to find just now. They had a case left but exactly no AR mags whatsoever. AR variants being the favorite of middle class America. (except for me)

Given empty shelves that once held ammo, sky rocketing cost of weapons and mags - last week certainily changed the whole nature of the firearms debate. And stripped large swathes of America bare of available battle rifles. The question now is simple - will there be more coming to the stores or not? Several million people decided to assume not.

A really diverse mass of people made their distrust of govt and police to protect them, very plain and they cast their votes at the cash register. In numbers so large it may impact the politics of it.

Seems many are not buying the govt mantra of 'just give up a bit more freedom and a bit more money and we GUARANTEE you'll be safe!'

Hard to say what will happen. Both sides make some good points. For me though, logic suggests that any one who thinks me being disarmed is a good thing certainly does not have my best interests are heart.

Talbot

That question smacks of the same thing with musical equipment. I have reached a point were I will never sell a guitar or mic or amp to "TRADE UP"

I would rather save it and give it to some deserving young musician. I have an old JC 50. It works,,, I haven't used it in thirty years,,, but I already got my money out of it. I'll find the right person for it.

Even my personal car,,, 96 Ford expedition, 170000 miles, I love the truck, doesn't get driven all that much with gas prices, but every time we have to load 6 family into it,,, bingo. Would I trade it? I would love a new one, so the answer is yes, even with all the good memories. (NEW ONE $54000 +)

Guns, naaaww, it's not worth the hassle. You have to be a gun nut to get into that one. Sort of like a guitar collector,,, Always looking for something better.

MikeTalbot wrote:I would have done it a year ago - just to trade up. (although you have to go way up like Saiga to better an 870)

If you have a decent battle rifle or tac shotgun it would be wise to hold on. A bird in hand and all that.

If you will allow govt to confiscate your battle rifle if they so decide - then it would follow that this would be a good time to sell.

I went to a gunstore today to use the range facility and a nice young fellow gave me a furtive look and whisphered "They have AK mags. 3 mag limit @25.00 per mag." Thanks brother. Very hard to find just now. They had a case left but exactly no AR mags whatsoever. AR variants being the favorite of middle class America. (except for me)

Given empty shelves that once held ammo, sky rocketing cost of weapons and mags - last week certainily changed the whole nature of the firearms debate. And stripped large swathes of America bare of available battle rifles. The question now is simple - will there be more coming to the stores or not? Several million people decided to assume not.

A really diverse mass of people made their distrust of govt and police to protect them, very plain and they cast their votes at the cash register. In numbers so large it may impact the politics of it.

Seems many are not buying the govt mantra of 'just give up a bit more freedom and a bit more money and we GUARANTEE you'll be safe!'

Hard to say what will happen. Both sides make some good points. For me though, logic suggests that any one who thinks me being disarmed is a good thing certainly does not have my best interests are heart.

Talbot

The AK's are much better than the 16 and their clones.
I'd take a 16 or copy, but I'd want a shitload of clips and ammo boxes as well else it's right back to the AK. (7.62x39mm is nasty stuff at 262$ per 1000.)

THE CAPT IS CORRECT!

My WINGMASTER is older than a lot of people I know.

I bought it 40 years or more ago.

It's worth a lot more than $600.00 bucks.

As for rifles
H&K 91 ( SCORPION CLONE ) 7.62 x 51 nuff said.

I like my AR . . . but the 5.56 just does not penetrate barriers like the 7.62 x 51


As for AK shooters . . . I've shot beside a bunch of them at the local range that could not hit a gong @ 300m with a 30 round magazine full of attempts.
My 91 will do 20 for 20 with little effort.
Really pisses em off too. Especially when I tell em "it's not me . . . here try it yourself"
Bang ding
Bang ding
Son of a bitch !!

sanshouheil wrote:My WINGMASTER is older than a lot of people I know.

I bought it 40 years or more ago.

It's worth a lot more than $600.00 bucks.

As for rifles
H&K 91 ( SCORPION CLONE ) 7.62 x 51 nuff said.

I like my AR . . . but the 5.56 just does not penetrate barriers like the 7.62 x 51


As for AK shooters . . . I've shot beside a bunch of them at the local range that could not hit a gong @ 300m with a 30 round magazine full of attempts.
My 91 will do 20 for 20 with little effort.
Really pisses em off too. Especially when I tell em "it's not me . . . here try it yourself"
Bang ding
Bang ding
Son of a bitch !!

OOOHHH,,, I am a sick bastard,,,, I love the 91,,, MADE IN AMERICA!

Sans, I'm talking about PTR.
I'm very old school, fine rifles that shoot good ammo with accuracy with the understanding of the ammo.

PTR 91s are just as good as my old 3006 bolt action, just a bit faster, with out any target reacquisition. I guess we were either talking about the same weapon, only you were talking about the legendary HK.

As far as AR's not interested. (BUSHMASTER)

I have been window shopping rifles for some time now. A box of .223s are less than $5. Ballistics are better in 300 yard range than a 30-06. With a good scope, I should put 10 for 10 inside 3 inches. I don't need a semi. Lever actions exist-(BROWNING<WINCHESTER>REMINGTON) but are in the $8-900 range and still have the stacking centerfires bullet to primer issues. I think with some work, I could bolt action 10 rounds in 60 seconds (rapid fire). I dozen't need a dozen guns. Just the guns I needs.

George

Have to disagree with you. I don't pretend that AK is the most accurate rifle in the world - but it is the most reliable.

The AK is a close combat weapon. A very good one.

For other stuff I have a mini 14 with a scope in 'scout' configuration. (think Jeff Cooper) Just don't like the AR / M16 / Stoner family. I'm sure the late model guns are just fine - they just don't work for me.

I find my own military experience to be out dated so I've been reading all I can about recent combat opps. Once thing is clear, the .556 takes multiple hits in most cases, to drop a bad guy. I was surprised but what can you do?

The good old M-14 is making a reapearance. I fired one recently at the range and damn, it felt good.

I just like short, light guns with big mags for close in work.

Talbot

MikeTalbot wrote:George

Have to disagree with you. I don't pretend that AK is the most accurate rifle in the world - but it is the most reliable.

The AK is a close combat weapon. A very good one.

For other stuff I have a mini 14 with a scope in 'scout' configuration. (think Jeff Cooper) Just don't like the AR / M16 / Stoner family. I'm sure the late model guns are just fine - they just don't work for me.

I find my own military experience to be out dated so I've been reading all I can about recent combat opps. Once thing is clear, the .556 takes multiple hits in most cases, to drop a bad guy. I was surprised but what can you do?

The good old M-14 is making a reapearance. I fired one recently at the range and damn, it felt good.

I just like short, light guns with big mags for close in work.

Talbot

You don't disagree with me at all Mike.
You simply make valid points from a different perspective.
And I totally agree in all cases.

I would insert an opinion though.
If one is ineffective at 600m and his opponents are effective at that range, making it to engage at close range is pretty iffy proposition at best.

A "militia" will likely not have unlimited resources of munitions, crew served support nor indirect fire capabilities.
This is why I feel for a "citizen" to be armed with a heavier caliber with adequate penetration and terminal ballistics such as the 7.62 x 51 is preferable.

GLENNY J wrote:Sans, I'm talking about PTR.
I'm very old school, fine rifles that shoot good ammo with accuracy with the understanding of the ammo.

PTR 91s are just as good as my old 3006 bolt action, just a bit faster, with out any target reacquisition. I guess we were either talking about the same weapon, only you were talking about the legendary HK.

As far as AR's not interested. (BUSHMASTER)

Yes SCORPION ARMS are now the manufacture of the PTR 91.
The delayed roller lock mechanism ( with a good barrel of course ) is capable of extreme accuracy.

Mine is accurate with 150 grain FMJ ammunition, but it's damned scary when fed 180 grain Nosler Partition ammunition.

sanshouheil wrote:

GLENNY J wrote:Sans, I'm talking about PTR.
I'm very old school, fine rifles that shoot good ammo with accuracy with the understanding of the ammo.

PTR 91s are just as good as my old 3006 bolt action, just a bit faster, with out any target reacquisition. I guess we were either talking about the same weapon, only you were talking about the legendary HK.

As far as AR's not interested. (BUSHMASTER)

Yes SCORPION ARMS are now the manufacture of the PTR 91.
The delayed roller lock mechanism ( with a good barrel of course ) is capable of extreme accuracy.

Mine is accurate with 150 grain FMJ ammunition, but it's damned scary when fed 180 grain Nosler Partition ammunition.

Nice weapon, nice round. That weapon is now worth much more than you paid for it.

Things are so crazy that we have so many new gun owners here....
I'm sitting outside and all I'm hearing is one assshole after another firing into the air.

People just don't get it,,, TO HAVE FREEDOM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TREMENDOUS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

Hope your mom is OK.