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Let's face it, we are all guilty of these massacres and to blame just the shooters is to miss the point. Violence is part of our culture a National heritage, violence in our country is condoned, encouraged, appreciated this is reflected by what’s happening nationally and internationally.
We are considered the most violent country/people in world; a country bent and determined to show the worst side of ourselves while obscuring everything that is good in America.

It’s time to reboot and reset our moral values not just symbolically but substantially, to take a new path and leave behind the now obsolete and anachronist rationales which serves us well in the past but hopelessly outdated in the 21St century.

The 2nd Amendment and the justification of its existence is no longer valid, anybody who believes that they can rebel or even overthrow an oppressive government with their small arms against a government possessing the most advance war apparatus at its disposal is just not being realistic.

So long we keep treating the symptoms of these tragedies and ignore the root cause we are sadly going to experience more cruel and senseless loss of lives in the future.

Let’s address as a country and as a national policy the reasons of why we have so many desperate citizens amongst us who resort to mass killing, pundits and experts will come up no doubt with a plethora of reasons, some will be on the mark some will be farfetched but the important point will be that the country as a whole will be engaged maybe for the first time in trying to understand.

So far this violent trend has been treated as par for the course by everybody when it should be seeing as a national crisis, according the FBI stats there were 14.612 violent deaths murders if you will compare that to the murder rate let’s say England of 35 annual violent deaths the stark difference should tell us that we are doing badly.

Let workers work for wages allowing 1 parent to support a family while the other parent can stay home and raise the children supervised, let’s replaced our predator/ winner take all/survival of the fittest brand of capitalism with a more inclusive and yes do I dare say a more human capitalism, this IMO would go a long way in removing the alienation and the desperation that permeates throughout the most vulnerable, desperate and intellectually ill equipped individuals.

Going back to my shelter to deal with my sorrow/pain and seek oblivion from the names and age of those innocent and families.


Watch your thoughts they become your words
Watch your words they become your actions
Watch your actions they become your character
Watch your character it will become you destiny.

NO DUDE, You have it all backwards. We have moved so far away from the values that founded our country that we are being set up to be crushed.

As far as the 2nd amendment, not only does it protect us against foreign enemies,,, it also protects us from domestic enemies.

You think the police protect us,,,, News Flash,,, we actually protect them,,, you won't get it,,,

Anyway great rock and roll on your page. Remember that is only protected by a bunch of "GUN NUTS" protecting all of the rights our founding fathers decided were so important. If you want to give up your gun rights go ahead, but you better have a bit of tolerance, cause I'm not giving up mine.

Seems you have forgotten many pages of history. Just a minor one,,, hitler started ww2 by walking through western Poland, slaughtering thousands because they fought back with pitchforks.

Sorry you just hit a wrong note.

What crap. We are NOT all responsible. We are responsible for what goes on in our lives not what some nut job that we never met did. I don't know where Pollyanna's get that crap.

The shooter is accountable. That "We're all responsible" crap is really socialist speak. I resent that anyone would be stupid enough to even imply that I should adopt some moronic socialist guilt trip on any level just because some nut job wants me to share it with him. (Not calling you a nut job, just expressing that you think like one.)

Wonder why the world is getting so screwed up? BECAUSE NO ON TAKES BLAME FOR THEIR PERSONAL ACTIONS... get it?

Because "we all should share the guilt" stupid crap does take accountability from the very ones that should be held accountable..

Naturally it was because his father was a bad man, or because his mother didn't raise him right. Or maybe the school wasn't as concerned as the should be. F that. It was because he was a nut job.

Want to blame his parents? Fine, if he were outwardly acting very strange at home and his parents did nothing about it, then let them SHARE the blame if that makes people feel better. I don't have a problem with that.

But I didn't cause it, participate in it, or know any of the players in the town that I didn't know about or the school that I never heard about before.

Go ahead, feel free to feel pink and squishy and "group participate' for everything that happens under the sun.

It actually made me want to go out and buy a gun, and get a carry permit.

Then If I saw some asshole offing little kids I could fill him full of lead before they got three rounds off.

I would feel responsible if I didn't do that.

Yeah jimmy.

It is very clear. It is clear that if libs didn't keep so many people without hand guns those kids may not have died. One teacher with a gun, or two, or three, would have dropped that asshole in a heartbeat.

It is clear that the same people who want us to pay to murder babies loved those kids as much, since they prevented someone from being able to stop the killer with some lead to the head.

So that sign is very right on. The same people who hate abortion are the very same that hate the stringent gun laws that stop teachers from carrying.
And where more important to have even the janitor armed than in a school where the defenseless congregate.

jimmydanger wrote:

The Flaming Liberal Rides Again! No Common sense! The guy was mentally ill "like you Jimmy" or at least you appear that way tonight. Its cool though at least I know you have a beating heart now! Hate on me all you want dude with your bastardized opinion of me. Really Jimmy? Really? You think you know me? Wow I usually get a kick out of playing with you! Tonight I am worried about ya!

Typical neocon fantasy bullshit. You want a shootout in a school and kill even more innocent people? What the f**k is wrong with your brain?

jimmydanger wrote:Typical neocon fantasy bullshit. You want a shootout in a school and kill even more innocent people? What the f**k is wrong with your brain?

Have another Drank BROTHER!

Slacker G wrote:Yeah jimmy.

It is very clear. It is clear that if libs didn't keep so many people without hand guns those kids may not have died. One teacher with a gun, or two, or three, would have dropped that asshole in a heartbeat.

It is clear that the same people who want us to pay to murder babies loved those kids as much, since they prevented someone from being able to stop the killer with some lead to the head.

So that sign is very right on. The same people who hate abortion are the very same that hate the stringent gun laws that stop teachers from carrying.
And where more important to have even the janitor armed than in a school where the defenseless congregate.

I'm sorry, we are not in neoconservative Fantasyland, where the teachers are armed like Rambo.
We live in THE REAL WORLD, where NORMAL PEOPLE don't usually carry a concealed weapon everywhere they go.
Sh!t, even in the Old West not EVERYBODY was a gunslinger, Hoss!
Save the Kindergarten Cop & Dirty Harry fantasies for the movies.

As for abortion, how the Hell did that get thrown in?
I don't see you saving homeless starving abandoned kids anytime soon.
So, until then, don't even approach the subject.
If YOU care so much about children, go adopt one.

Mike Nobody wrote:

Slacker G wrote:Yeah jimmy.

It is very clear. It is clear that if libs didn't keep so many people without hand guns those kids may not have died. One teacher with a gun, or two, or three, would have dropped that asshole in a heartbeat.

It is clear that the same people who want us to pay to murder babies loved those kids as much, since they prevented someone from being able to stop the killer with some lead to the head.

So that sign is very right on. The same people who hate abortion are the very same that hate the stringent gun laws that stop teachers from carrying.
And where more important to have even the janitor armed than in a school where the defenseless congregate.

I'm sorry, we are not in neoconservative Fantasyland, where the teachers are armed like Rambo.
We live in THE REAL WORLD, where NORMAL PEOPLE don't usually carry a concealed weapon everywhere they go.
Sh!t, even in the Old West not EVERYBODY was a gunslinger, Hoss!
Save the Kindergarten Cop & Dirty Harry fantasies for the movies.

As for abortion, how the Hell did that get thrown in?
I don't see you saving homeless starving abandoned kids anytime soon.
So, until then, don't even approach the subject.
If YOU care so much about children, go adopt one.

Yes, That's right. You don't see me doing anything. OK Congrats for the most stupid comment on this thread.

And the prize goes to Duhhhhhhh!!! For his most brilliant of all statements concerning someone he doesn't even know exists, this being the internet and all, and then telling them that he "Doesn't see them" doing something that's none of his business.

Go figure,.

What the hell does an older couple with a handicapped son need a damned assault rifle for? In my book "gun control" isn't about handguns or hunting guns, it's about controlling damned assault rifles. It's insane that ANYBODY can get an assault rifle. This sh*t has to stop. Period.

From now on understand the word neocon is out dated. It is weak, and the number of people that could be called by that classification are really limited.

I have started a new party. WE ARE THE PATRIOTS. We believe in taking all your money away, and giving it away to others. We are committed to shared housing, were the government decides who lives in your house. The government shall also assist you in obtaining medical care. We don't have as many good doctors as we used to,, but who cares. Guns are outlawed, If you used them for hunting food, better learn to shop at the local food store, food stamps available. Charity is BANNED, No one is allowed to do government work for free. Religion is BANNED,,, from now on all tithes go to the government,,,, those people are crazy anyway.

Follow these great American Ideals,,, As president,,, you will not be killed.

By the way those wealthy people are real bastards,, They just fled th country!

fisherman bob wrote:What the hell does an older couple with a handicapped son need a damned assault rifle for? In my book "gun control" isn't about handguns or hunting guns, it's about controlling damned assault rifles. It's insane that ANYBODY can get an assault rifle. This sh*t has to stop. Period.

WRONG BOB. Just totally wrong!

fisherman bob wrote:What the hell does an older couple with a handicapped son need a damned assault rifle for? In my book "gun control" isn't about handguns or hunting guns, it's about controlling damned assault rifles. It's insane that ANYBODY can get an assault rifle. This sh*t has to stop. Period.

Wow I guess its going to end then right?

slippery slope folks first they come for your assault rifles, next they come for you semi-auto's, next they come for your handguns, then they come for your hunting rifles and shotguns?
Then they body cavity search old women and babies all while avoiding stereo-typing muslims at the airport all "for your safety" cause lord knows the Gubment knows best right?:wink:

I didn't say ban assault rifles. READ and COMPREHEND....