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#194259 by Kramerguy
Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:23 pm
I watched this movie last night and thought it was extremely thought provoking, although I don't know if the writer meant for it to be anything more than a sci-fi thriller.

The premise of the movie is that the human race in the future has been genetically altered, everyone is programmed genetically to have a countdown clock on their arm from birth. They stop aging at age 25, but the clock "kicks in" and they only have 1 year that starts counting down, and when it hits zero, the person drops dead.

The crazy aspect is that there is no more paper currency, everything in life costs TIME. A cup of coffee costs 4 minutes, a bus ride costs an hour, etc. People work and at the end of the day are paid in time. Time can be traded, given, etc, simply by a handshake or scanner. It can also be stolen while you sleep, giving more depth to the idea of it not only being currency, but your LIFE.

Much of the story is based on a poor guy living in the ghetto where everyone is literally living day to day and struggling not to hit zero and die.

It would take forever to get through the whole story line so I will try to keep it on my point- As it turns out, there's "rich" parts of town, where the tolls alone to cross into those areas cost more than a year, so the poor can never really afford to go there. The rich, as it turns out, have more than enough time to literally be immortal, millions of years in time-banks, etc.. and they have more than they would ever need just banked away while others struggle and die.

Later in the movie, this guy becomes a robin-hood of sorts, stealing time from the rich and giving it to the poor, which you would think would solve everyone's problems, but the rich base all their markets off keeping the poor, well.. poor, struggling, and subservient.

What happens in the movie is that after giving away millions of years to the poor, the rich simply make it all moot by raising the prices of everything, draining all the time right back to themselves.

It occurred to me that it unintentionally but effectively mirrored our own society in a way that I never quite looked at before.

The rich- not the upper class rich, but the mega powerful rich in this country have done exactly that- They figuratively stole trillions from the public trust, and then raised the costs of literally everything to keep us from gaining any wealth. Salaries have steadily declined and we are becoming more dependent and indebted to them. It's no secret that the top 1% wealthiest people in the country have more than the bottom 50% combined. More wealth disparity than ever before in the history of this country.

So as I was pondering this, I wondered.. why won't they pay us a livable wage? Why won't they allow us to live in relative comfort or have decent health care, or anything? Because they NEED us to be fragile, desperate, and indebted to them. If we weren't, then we would be more free to fight their influence over government, and have free choice to NOT use their products or services. We wouldn't need their banks, their high interest credit cards and payday loans. We would be secure to build our own personal infrastructures.

This is about class war. We're in one whether you want to believe it or not. We didn't start it, but we are victimized daily by it.

I don't propose any action, this is not my intent. I think we need awareness that we ALL have a common enemy who is determined to enslave us, and if our apathy and infighting continues, we will end up with exactly that.

#194266 by gtZip
Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:50 pm
Fight them or join them.
Kill the federal reserve or join a pointy-hat club.
#194267 by DainNobody
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:31 pm
Kramerguy wrote:I watched this movie last night and thought it was extremely thought provoking, although I don't know if the writer meant for it to be anything more than a sci-fi thriller.

The premise of the movie is that the human race in the future has been genetically altered, everyone is programmed genetically to have a countdown clock on their arm from birth. They stop aging at age 25, but the clock "kicks in" and they only have 1 year that starts counting down, and when it hits zero, the person drops dead.

The crazy aspect is that there is no more paper currency, everything in life costs TIME. A cup of coffee costs 4 minutes, a bus ride costs an hour, etc. People work and at the end of the day are paid in time. Time can be traded, given, etc, simply by a handshake or scanner. It can also be stolen while you sleep, giving more depth to the idea of it not only being currency, but your LIFE.

Much of the story is based on a poor guy living in the ghetto where everyone is literally living day to day and struggling not to hit zero and die.

It would take forever to get through the whole story line so I will try to keep it on my point- As it turns out, there's "rich" parts of town, where the tolls alone to cross into those areas cost more than a year, so the poor can never really afford to go there. The rich, as it turns out, have more than enough time to literally be immortal, millions of years in time-banks, etc.. and they have more than they would ever need just banked away while others struggle and die.

Later in the movie, this guy becomes a robin-hood of sorts, stealing time from the rich and giving it to the poor, which you would think would solve everyone's problems, but the rich base all their markets off keeping the poor, well.. poor, struggling, and subservient.

What happens in the movie is that after giving away millions of years to the poor, the rich simply make it all moot by raising the prices of everything, draining all the time right back to themselves.

It occurred to me that it unintentionally but effectively mirrored our own society in a way that I never quite looked at before.

The rich- not the upper class rich, but the mega powerful rich in this country have done exactly that- They figuratively stole trillions from the public trust, and then raised the costs of literally everything to keep us from gaining any wealth. Salaries have steadily declined and we are becoming more dependent and indebted to them. It's no secret that the top 1% wealthiest people in the country have more than the bottom 50% combined. More wealth disparity than ever before in the history of this country.

So as I was pondering this, I wondered.. why won't they pay us a livable wage? Why won't they allow us to live in relative comfort or have decent health care, or anything? Because they NEED us to be fragile, desperate, and indebted to them. If we weren't, then we would be more free to fight their influence over government, and have free choice to NOT use their products or services. We wouldn't need their banks, their high interest credit cards and payday loans. We would be secure to build our own personal infrastructures.

This is about class war. We're in one whether you want to believe it or not. We didn't start it, but we are victimized daily by it.

I don't propose any action, this is not my intent. I think we need awareness that we ALL have a common enemy who is determined to enslave us, and if our apathy and infighting continues, we will end up with exactly that.
and the corporations banded together as a "union" or "guild" to fight against the Ralph Nader guy who was trying to get pollution under control, the corporations started getting real power in the 1970's to fight Ralph Nader and similar "movements" through the use of bought off LOBBYISTS giving the small guy's political muscle to dirty politicians living off money supplied by corporations via lobbyists..

#194286 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:20 am
Movie with Justin Beiber and Amanda Seyfried (spelling?) right? Decent sci-fi movie, but the whole idea of limited time was done in movies/stories long ago - Logan's Run as an example.
As far an allegory to today's corporate and rich class greed - I hate allegory!
#194315 by Vampier
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:50 am
...Kramer ... My wife and I saw that movie on the intenet a while ago and yes it is very thought provokng and very well done I agree. Logans Run has the carousel and the times up theme but it was not as thought provoking I feel. The running scene at the end is awesome.

To answer your question on my thread ... I am just very disappointed inYod ... he now seems the biggest hypocrite and no longe do I think he walks his talk especially when Jews are involved. He is condoning Great Evil, even attempting to defend it. I find it all rather sickening. But time is certainly telling as far as it all goes ...White phosphorus and tomorrow ground invasion. ... it all equals more and more atrocity.

Ta Live Well Die well
#194324 by PaperDog
Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:56 am
Vampier wrote:...Kramer ... My wife and I saw that movie on the intenet a while ago and yes it is very thought provokng and very well done I agree. Logans Run has the carousel and the times up theme but it was not as thought provoking I feel. The running scene at the end is awesome.

To answer your question on my thread ... I am just very disappointed inYod ... he now seems the biggest hypocrite and no longe do I think he walks his talk especially when Jews are involved. He is condoning Great Evil, even attempting to defend it. I find it all rather sickening. But time is certainly telling as far as it all goes ...White phosphorus and tomorrow ground invasion. ... it all equals more and more atrocity.

Ta Live Well Die well


Jews have been persecuted throughout history. Not really sure why they are. They are scape-goated all the time.

If you were to claim yourself to be an intelligent gambler,
then in terms of choosing a side... which is the better bet... the Jew or the Palestinian?

For Me, its the Jew... hands down. Erring on that side is a better outcome than erring on the other side.


8)

#194335 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:14 pm
Dizzizz wrote:
GuitarMikeB wrote:Movie with Justin Beiber and Amanda Seyfried (spelling?) right? Decent sci-fi movie, but the whole idea of limited time was done in movies/stories long ago - Logan's Run as an example.
As far an allegory to today's corporate and rich class greed - I hate allegory!


Timberlake, not Beiber. God, this movie would have been f**k terrible with Beiber.


Ahh, I knew it was some Justin or other! :wink: All these kids confuse me!
#194343 by Kramerguy
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:07 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Vampier wrote:...Kramer ... My wife and I saw that movie on the intenet a while ago and yes it is very thought provokng and very well done I agree. Logans Run has the carousel and the times up theme but it was not as thought provoking I feel. The running scene at the end is awesome.

To answer your question on my thread ... I am just very disappointed inYod ... he now seems the biggest hypocrite and no longe do I think he walks his talk especially when Jews are involved. He is condoning Great Evil, even attempting to defend it. I find it all rather sickening. But time is certainly telling as far as it all goes ...White phosphorus and tomorrow ground invasion. ... it all equals more and more atrocity.

Ta Live Well Die well


Jews have been persecuted throughout history. Not really sure why they are. They are scape-goated all the time.

If you were to claim yourself to be an intelligent gambler,
then in terms of choosing a side... which is the better bet... the Jew or the Palestinian?

For Me, its the Jew... hands down. Erring on that side is a better outcome than erring on the other side.


8)


Well yeah, the jews will obviously decimate the Palestinians .. that's not the point, it's not a contest.

#194344 by jw123
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:09 pm
Kramer I saw that movie a few monthes ago, it was great.

The part where he was betting his time away at the casino was great movie making.
#194352 by Kramerguy
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:02 pm
Vampier wrote:...Kramer ... My wife and I saw that movie on the intenet a while ago and yes it is very thought provokng and very well done I agree. Logans Run has the carousel and the times up theme but it was not as thought provoking I feel. The running scene at the end is awesome.



Yeah, with logans run, everyone was equal in just about every way, with exception to the 'police', who seemed to have a luxury of ordering girls for sex via room service .. lol.

What struck me about 'in time' was how it mirrored our current system where everyone clearly is not equal, and it's become a system of the haves and the have-nots .. if you aren't born into it, then you are pretty much a slave to the upper classes, knowingly or not.

#194354 by Starfish Scott
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:18 pm
+1 slave here.. lol
#194356 by Vampier
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:21 pm
... First off ... PaperDog ...There is a reason that Jews have been persecuted and kicked out of virtually every country they have ever been in. As an intelligent man I "bet" or "wager" or "gamble" on nothing but I do think about, ponder and assess.

To put it in a context that you seem familiar with ... tell me what are the "odds" that they are completely innocent and the victims they always whine about being if they are scape-goated all the time ??? There is Truth in all this and it is at least a good portion of the time they richly deserve it.

What we are now seeing transpiring in Gaza is confirmation of this and is the "ultimate of Jewish?Zionist Hypocrisy ... their diatribes and "beliefs" are in direst conflict with their actions and intents ... they always have been. They are Evil and they are doing a great Evil. It is that simple. In the eyes of God they incriminate themselves well past any redemtion and that is as it should be during this the lowest Age of Mankind or the "Highest" Age og Mankind the Animal. Their idiotic attempts to justify this Evil by pointing to the Evil of others only makes them more the Hipocrites they are. Any who are taken in by all this are in my opinion Fools.

If moey is your God and gambling your entertainment then the Jews/Zionists are certainly for you. The Zionists are nothing more than the Cockroaches of Israel and the Middle East ... the Holy Land ... and their are many Jews who are equally appalled and affected by what has been done and is now at this moment being done, not only in Palestine with apartheid but in the entire world.

Kramer ... please forgive me ... I apologize as I had no intention of hijacking your excellent thread. I was merely speaking of the film and taking the opportunity to direstly answer your question to me while I was at it, so to speak. Obviously I made a mistake and I apologize for it.



Ta Live Well Die Well

#194359 by Starfish Scott
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:25 pm
why does it always have to be jews/arabs/whatever.

Are they not even human to other people?

Time and time again, the leaders lead and the rest die.

It's a perfect example of how not to lead.
One leads by example and puts their own safety at risk for the good of the whole. That's a leader people can believe in.
#194371 by Mike Nobody
Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:35 pm
Kramerguy wrote:Yeah, with logans run, everyone was equal in just about every way, with exception to the 'police', who seemed to have a luxury of ordering girls for sex via room service .. lol.

What struck me about 'in time' was how it mirrored our current system where everyone clearly is not equal, and it's become a system of the haves and the have-nots .. if you aren't born into it, then you are pretty much a slave to the upper classes, knowingly or not.


Actually, anybody could order sex from their home.
Kinda like the internet, with teleporters.
The woman was appalled that a cop was there.

Logan's Run reminds me a bit of the Star Trek economy, except for the death at age 30 part. No money. No poverty. Everybody works in a job that they enjoy doing, for its own sake. Technology takes care of the rest. Pretty sweet, actually.

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