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I watched the dvd a few months ago. (sigh)

It is infuriating, maddening, and also a practical documentary on just how badly the eggs are scrambled with this situation.

As usual Congress is to blame. Currently, the Obama administration's lawsuits show an obvious bias and also disregard for federal law. Nothing new there for him.

If there was a time when Americans felt in control of their own lives and their nation that time is past. As Thomas Jefferson stated:

"Besides, the spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated, that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion."

I watched the dvd a few months ago. (sigh)

It is infuriating, maddening, and also a practical documentary on just how badly the eggs are scrambled with this situation.

As usual Congress is to blame. Currently, the Obama administration's lawsuits show an obvious bias and also disregard for federal law. Nothing new there for him.

If there was a time when Americans felt in control of their own lives and their nation that time is past. As Thomas Jefferson stated:

"Besides, the spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated, that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion."

Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers had a forsight beyond human intelligence! IMO!

Truthiness on the Thomas Jefferson quote.

Illegal immigration OTOH is but one of many very small and extremely overinflated issues that are being propagandized by those who wish to keep us at each other's throats whilst the robber barons continue to rob the people of power and public trust, completely unchallenged.

Truthiness on the Thomas Jefferson quote.

Illegal immigration OTOH is but one of many very small and extremely overinflated issues that are being propagandized by those who wish to keep us at each other's throats whilst the robber barons continue to rob the people of power and public trust, completely unchallenged.

Your a smart guy Kramer but there is no hope for you! You just can't see the forest for the tree's! Sorry but thats my opinion!

Not for the libs.

The truth is that the liberal media is without truth. It only spouts the liberal propaganda that the carp gobble up to regurgitate on forums such as this one. Only God is truth.

Truthiness on the Thomas Jefferson quote.

Illegal immigration OTOH is but one of many very small and extremely overinflated issues that are being propagandized by those who wish to keep us at each other's throats whilst the robber barons continue to rob the people of power and public trust, completely unchallenged.

Your a smart guy Kramer but there is no hope for you! You just can't see the forest for the tree's! Sorry but thats my opinion!

we all have opinions. You know what they say about opinions...

That's why I make it a point out most of what I say with verifyable facts.

Here you go:
http://www.factcheck.org/archives/searc ... &sa=Search

the homework is up to you.

Truthiness on the Thomas Jefferson quote.

Illegal immigration OTOH is but one of many very small and extremely overinflated issues that are being propagandized by those who wish to keep us at each other's throats whilst the robber barons continue to rob the people of power and public trust, completely unchallenged.

Your a smart guy Kramer but there is no hope for you! You just can't see the forest for the tree's! Sorry but thats my opinion!

we all have opinions. You know what they say about opinions...

That's why I make it a point out most of what I say with verifyable facts.

Here you go:
http://www.factcheck.org/archives/searc ... &sa=Search

the homework is up to you.

Honestly!!! I posted the resumes of the members of factcheck.org some time ago when it was used for a debate reference. It is comprised solely of liberals who were either professors from liberal colleges or former members of the liberal media.

Not a conservative amongst them.

So do you actually think you could get them to tell the truth about anything that doesn't lean left? Now it is an absurd thought at best that you could get the unbiased truth from them. Factcheck is more like liars inc.

hmm they say reality has a liberal bias. But really- the fact that fact-check sites are MISSING conservatives could be argued as the very proof that conservatives just aren't interested in actual truth.

Let's be real though, if these sites are SO liberal, how do you explain the fact that they point out the incriminating lies from BOTH parties pretty much equally? The right wing does tend to lie more, so you can't claim a 55/45 slant is really bias if it's the truth, unless of course you want to accuse the truth itself of having a liberal bias...

hmm they say reality has a liberal bias. But really- the fact that fact-check sites are MISSING conservatives could be argued as the very proof that conservatives just aren't interested in actual truth.

Let's be real though, if these sites are SO liberal, how do you explain the fact that they point out the incriminating lies from BOTH parties pretty much equally? The right wing does tend to lie more, so you can't claim a 55/45 slant is really bias if it's the truth, unless of course you want to accuse the truth itself of having a liberal bias...

Perhaps you should get your facts from an unbiased source Kramer!

could we not, just for once blame ourselves instead of putting blame on some "leftist ideal"? ..why is it always the Democrats fault? is not the House of Reps and Senate at least partially Repukelican?

could we not, just for once blame ourselves instead of putting blame on some "leftist ideal"? ..why is it always the Democrats fault? is not the House of Reps and Senate at least partially Repukelican?

Dane its ALWAYS the Liberals fault! Seriously both parties have a hand in looking the other way about the illegal invasion currently under way. Personally I believe that anyone whom breaks the laws of and disrespects this nation to come here. Whom also refuses to assimilate. Takes the jobs that actual citizens NEED. I don't think ANYONE that does the things I have listed should EVER have ANY path to citizenship NOT EVER!

Whom also refuses to assimilate. Takes the jobs that actual citizens NEED. I don't think ANYONE that does the things I have listed should EVER have ANY path to citizenship NOT EVER!

Assimilate? What are we the Borg?

Take the jobs that actual citizens need? Do you really need a job picking lettuce or landscaping? If so maybe you made some bad choices.

Better find a new soap box, the one you're on is full of holes.

Whom also refuses to assimilate. Takes the jobs that actual citizens NEED. I don't think ANYONE that does the things I have listed should EVER have ANY path to citizenship NOT EVER!

Assimilate? What are we the Borg?

Take the jobs that actual citizens need? Do you really need a job picking lettuce or landscaping? If so maybe you made some bad choices.

Better find a new soap box, the one you're on is full of holes.

Screw you and your liberal crap Jimmy they are jobs that teens and Ameicans can do! Your an asshole dude! Just because you are too good to do those jobs you lazy PHUK doesn't mean other desperate americans are!

No God no peace . . .