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#189332 by Kramerguy
Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:40 pm
I will hand pick a few, 10 is too many to discuss in one thread :P

1. Cooking the Unemployment Rate

The most recent crackpottery of the right was revealed last week as new unemployment numbers were released. The new data put the unemployment rate at 7.8%, the lowest it has been since the Bush administration helped crater the economy on their way out of town. Almost immediately, right-wingers declared that the numbers were manufactured by Obama’s henchmen in the Labor Department. Never mind the fact that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is an independent body that currently has no Obama appointees serving. That didn’t stop conspiracists like Jack Welch from alleging that they are “Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers.” That unsubstantiated charge was adopted by Rep. Allen West, Fox News’ Stuart Varney, and much of the rest of the right-wing media circus.

2. The Media is Skewing the Polls
For several weeks now, Obama has maintained a steady lead in election polling. That fact has been difficult for conservatives to square with their conviction that Obama is the most hated man in America. Consequently, they must conclude that all of the polls have been tampered with by scheming liberals. However, for their conspiracy to be credible, they would have to include Fox News and Rasmussen amongst the conniving lefties because their polling also puts Obama in the lead. One way they have found to workaround that inconvenient fact is to ignore the polls that challenge their thesis. Therefore, Fox News simply neglects to report on polls that show the President leading – even their own Fox News polls.

3. Politicizing the Stock Market
In a year when the economy is such an integral part of the news cycle, conservatives have found it necessary to glom onto any factoid that they can use to bash the President. That manifests into a frenzy of spin that casts any decline in the stock market as the fault of Obama, and any increase as investor speculation that Obama is on the way out. Last week, many of the right-dominated business networks feebly described a positive day for the Dow as a Romney rally, simply because it occurred on the day after the presidential debate. There is a long history of the right making idiotic assessments of the stock market. In May of 2009, Fox News anchor Brenda Buttner gushed, “Call it a tea party rally. Wall Street’s sure partying, up six weeks in a row.” In September of 2011, Fox Nation reported “Stocks Tumble Worldwide After Obama Speech.” Then in June of 2012, they fantasized that “Stock Market Drops After Obamacare Upheld.” Fox’s Neil Cavuto hosted a discussion of what he called the “Bush recovery” nine months into Obama’s term. What they commonly miss is that markets traditionally perform better under Democratic administrations than Republicans.

4. Obama is Coming for Your Guns
This conspiracy theory takes a considerable measure of willful suspension of disbelief. The National Rifle Association has alerted its members that a second Obama term will result in the repeal of the second amendment and a wholesale confiscation of guns. Their evidence of this is that Obama has done nothing at all to roll back gun rights during his first term. That, they surmise, is a devious trick to lull gun rights advocates into a false sense of security. Then, when Obama is no longer facing a reelection campaign, he will be free to curtail all of our precious liberties.

7. Fact-Checkers Are A Liberal Plot
Creative and shameless conservatives are establishing a new and unique front in the political war zone. Not satisfied with bashing everything about the media (despite the fact that talk radio and their own Fox News are a huge part of it), the wackoids on the right have declared war against – get this – Fact-checkers! This may seem wildly deranged, but upon reflection it makes perfect sense. If your entire movement is built on a foundation of lies, then fact-checkers are your mortal enemy. This became clear a few weeks ago when Neil Newhouse, a Mitt Romney adviser, publicly declared that “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.” Since then they have disputed or ignored every challenge of their truthfulness. The result is a record setting collection of dishonorable mentions from PolitiFact and other media lie detectors.

9. Obamacare’s Death Panels
No list of conspiracy theories would be complete without a mention of Sarah Palin’s “death panels.” (Although the non-existant "death panels" have been roundly mocked, this did not stop Presidential candidate Mitt Romney from basically reviving them at last week's debate.

These nefarious groups were said to have the power to decide whether your grandmother would live or die based on her level of productivity to society as determined by a team of government bureaucrats. In reality the section of the Affordable Care Act to which Palin referred actually provided for coverage to pay for end-of-life counseling. These were voluntary sessions to help patients determine and document what sort of life-saving measures they preferred in the event that they were incapacitated and unable to communicate their wishes to their doctors. When that proved to be an embarrassing misinterpretation of the law, conservatives switched to another section of the bill, the Independent Payment Advisory Board, and called that the death panel. However, the IPAB was simply a board that assessed the best practices in medicine and made non-binding recommendations in order to prevent excessive billing and unnecessary procedures. Palin was awarded the “Lie of the Year” award from PolitiFact for her imaginary panel.

10. The Green Plot to Enslave the World
Conservatives have never taken to science. So it should come as no surprise that many of them regard global warming as a hoax whose purpose is to enrich Al Gore and a few socialist wind farmers. But there is another faction of the anti-environment movement that has uncovered something even more dastardly lurking behind the effort to maintain a clean, sustainable planet. Agenda 21 , a little known and non-binding resolution adopted by the United Nations is viewed by some on the right as an attempt to control the lives of people throughout the world by regulating everything they do. Amongst their paranoid fears is that Agenda 21 will cede U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. and a one-world government. The truth is that Agenda 21 is a set of principles to guide the development of practices to preserve a sustainable environment for future generations. It is entirely voluntary and was agreed to by the U.N. in 1992 and signed by President George H.W. Bush. But to hear doomsayers like Glenn Beck put it, it will “suck all the blood out of [our communities], and we will not be able to survive.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... -day-nears

#189334 by jimmydanger
Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:01 pm
You could have saved a lot of time and just let Slacker write the list.

#189335 by Kramerguy
Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:22 pm
why let him have all the fun?

#189340 by JCP61
Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:57 pm
1. Cooking the Unemployment Rate
you can't call this imaginary and still ascribe to the notion that the fed is cooking the books on inflation and money supply.

2. The Media is Skewing the Polls
you can't let everyone off the hook but rupert murdoch, that just naive.

3. Politicizing the Stock Market
Politicizing the Stock Market is trade stock for washington everyone knows it's rigged, just not exactly who's in bed with the winners, but like as not they whore around with them at one time or another.


4. Obama is Coming for Your Guns
in this you are inattentive,
Obama in fact is for very strict gun control, but the supreme court decision over ownership in the District of Columbia made this all but impossible for him, so he dropped it.


7. Fact-Checkers Are A Liberal Plot
the facts aren't any more objective than the checkers.
this is breakeven for either side, someone give me a fact that has all the relevant details.
:lol:

9. Obamacare’s Death Panels
death panels is a propagandist phrase, describing the bureaucratic control of fair health care distribution.
he did not get the single payer mandate so this not presently an issue but it will be if the single payer mandate is ever revived.

10. The Green Plot to Enslave the World
well this is one of those very subjective topics.
the author deliberately avoided the example of a specific energy policy, in order not to have debate the merits of the varied promulgated national or international energy policies.

#189347 by Sir Jamsalot
Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:02 pm
Mark Howard, the author of this list, and this quote "I strongly believe that communication is the key to advancing a progressive agenda...", is not what I would consider a neutral source. All of his articles are aimed at the conservative wing, none of them at the liberal wing, so if bias can be determined by what you fail to report on, he's the well you shouldn't drink from. Oh, how poetic 8)

His articles ~ apparently a very bitter person based on the titles alone.
http://www.alternet.org/authors/mark-howard

His personal bio ~
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/netr ... ark-howard

#189433 by Drumsinhisheart
Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:42 pm
I am biased. I admit that.

I really dislike it though, when people claiming to be unbiased churn out only biased information.

I know this. I know Congress is filled with wimps, liars, and traitors to the oath they took to protect the Constitution. I know the media is so biased one way or another it stinks to high heaven. And I know the vast majority of Americans (if two decades of research and polling is correct) no longer care about freedom and liberty as once Americans died for.

There can never be Utopia, especially where government is involved.

I also know the word "conspiracy" is ill-used, and well-used by those ill-using it.

#189443 by Starfish Scott
Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:50 pm
Wow, I liked the list. lol

My attention span for politics is LOW so I feel like I read the Cliff Notes.

Thank you, it was easier to digest and yet was bitter and meaningful.

#189460 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:51 pm
JCP61 wrote:1. Cooking the Unemployment Rate
you can't call this imaginary and still ascribe to the notion that the fed is cooking the books on inflation and money supply.

2. The Media is Skewing the Polls
you can't let everyone off the hook but rupert murdoch, that just naive.

3. Politicizing the Stock Market
Politicizing the Stock Market is trade stock for washington everyone knows it's rigged, just not exactly who's in bed with the winners, but like as not they whore around with them at one time or another.


4. Obama is Coming for Your Guns
in this you are inattentive,
Obama in fact is for very strict gun control, but the supreme court decision over ownership in the District of Columbia made this all but impossible for him, so he dropped it.


7. Fact-Checkers Are A Liberal Plot
the facts aren't any more objective than the checkers.
this is breakeven for either side, someone give me a fact that has all the relevant details.
:lol:

9. Obamacare’s Death Panels
death panels is a propagandist phrase, describing the bureaucratic control of fair health care distribution.
he did not get the single payer mandate so this not presently an issue but it will be if the single payer mandate is ever revived.

10. The Green Plot to Enslave the World
well this is one of those very subjective topics.
the author deliberately avoided the example of a specific energy policy, in order not to have debate the merits of the varied promulgated national or international energy policies.


WOW JC, are you bringing up some points we could agree with?
First there was only a 1000 job difference in the estimated job creation report, magically the estimated unemployment rate dropped from 8.2 (estimated) to 7.8 from 1000 jobs. come on are we all that stupid,(meaning all of you in general :lol: )

As far as the stock market, every time you devalue the dollar,,,, It takes more dollars to by a share of a company or for that matter a commodity such as gasoline. By the way the Fed is pumping another 40 billion a month into the money supply. Don't cry to me when that Sunday chicken dinner cost's 40 bucks just for the bird.

Finally, Canada has a nationalized health care system. A life saving STENT now takes any where from 4 months to a year. Right now in America it takes a day if so needed.

By the way hidden in the health care bill is not only a 2.5% federal real estate transfer tax( in effect Jan /13) but also a 2.5 % check transfer fee scheduled to go into effect Jan/14.

Once again the government points a finger at the rich,,,, while it taxes the poor to death. The rich didn't create these new taxes!!!!!

#189487 by Kramerguy
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:46 pm
Drumsinhisheart wrote:I am biased. I admit that.


As am I. Everyone is, and I don't believe anyone can truly escape their own biases.

Drumsinhisheart wrote:I really dislike it though, when people claiming to be unbiased churn out only biased information.


Not sure if that was aimed at me or the author, but I don't believe I've ever claimed to be truly unbiased- as much as I prefer unbiased media, which I've admitted is difficult to find on the best days. This article wasn't intended to be posted as an unbiased piece- I just saw truth in it and felt it was worth sharing.

Drumsinhisheart wrote:I know this. I know Congress is filled with wimps, liars, and traitors to the oath they took to protect the Constitution. I know the media is so biased one way or another it stinks to high heaven. And I know the vast majority of Americans (if two decades of research and polling is correct) no longer care about freedom and liberty as once Americans died for.


Every american seems to agree with this statement, yet, when we debate each other, the finer points seem to be on two very extreme fringes of beliefs of what that actually means.

Drumsinhisheart wrote:There can never be Utopia, especially where government is involved.


Government is "the people", we've forgotten that (as a people). This anti-government rhetoric that plagues conservative america right now is the root of the problems, and there's a reason for it. The movie about the Koch brothers spells it out pretty well and you should consider watching it. There's a LOT of people with the same outlook as them, more or less that dismantling government will make them even more money because they will no longer have to follow regulations or pay taxes. Regulations are there to prevent abuse, plain and simple. Abuse already goes widely unpunished and there's entire towns that are poisoned. The gulf spill was caused by regulation violations. All these things will be far worse with no regulations, and there will be nobody responsible for cleaning up the mess either.

Drumsinhisheart wrote:I also know the word "conspiracy" is ill-used, and well-used by those ill-using it.


much like the words "liberal", "progressive", "social", and so many others- the word has been drug through the crapper, tarred and feathered, to take away from it's truth and make it a meaningless insult.

Conspiracies are abundant, as exposed by wikileaks, etc.. yet the american sheep won't react anyways, so all the word is worth now is equal to a fun movie plot for typical americans to go pay too much $$ to go see in 3D.

#189489 by Kramerguy
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:06 pm
JCP61 wrote:1. Cooking the Unemployment Rate
you can't call this imaginary and still ascribe to the notion that the fed is cooking the books on inflation and money supply.


I don't argue the federal reserve is cooking a lot of books. They should be individually prosecuted for their crimes that led to the bailouts and reorganized- in the very least.
But the federal reserve does not create or publish labor statistics, at least not the ones cited in the article. That was the department of labor, which the article is correct that obama has not appointed anyone running that department.

JCP61 wrote:2. The Media is Skewing the Polls
you can't let everyone off the hook but rupert murdoch, that just naive.

Who is giving Murdoch a pass? His media network is most likely the biggest offender in the ring.

JCP61 wrote:3. Politicizing the Stock Market
Politicizing the Stock Market is trade stock for washington everyone knows it's rigged, just not exactly who's in bed with the winners, but like as not they whore around with them at one time or another.


They were merely pointing out the obvious- that when it goes down, they blame obama, and when it goes up, they give romney the kudos. They can't have it both ways, the article was just pointing out the hypocrisy.


JCP61 wrote:4. Obama is Coming for Your Guns
in this you are inattentive,
Obama in fact is for very strict gun control, but the supreme court decision over ownership in the District of Columbia made this all but impossible for him, so he dropped it.


And so.. how is he going to take everyones guns in his next term? Can't you just admit that the whole thing was really just shameless fearmongering by the right wing and the NRA?


JCP61 wrote:7. Fact-Checkers Are A Liberal Plot
the facts aren't any more objective than the checkers.
this is breakeven for either side, someone give me a fact that has all the relevant details.
:lol:


If you went to a site like factcheck.org, you will find they pretty much give nobody a pass. There are many biased and unbiased fact checkers out there, but most of the biased ones work for the more biased media networks. Again.. factcheck.org has a stellar reputation for separating fact from fiction, and if you attack that, well.. all that tells me is that you really aren't interested in the truth.

And that's the thing.. We're all biased, and most of us aren't past admitting that- but there's a difference between a biased person who can accept the facts as they are and deal with them, and those who can't accept the facts and just attack the fact-checkers or person who presented the facts in question. Seeing so many people unable to accept the facts is one of the most worrysome things about our future. We're stuck on "winning" and not truth (as I mentioned in another reply)

JCP61 wrote:9. Obamacare’s Death Panels
death panels is a propagandist phrase, describing the bureaucratic control of fair health care distribution.
he did not get the single payer mandate so this not presently an issue but it will be if the single payer mandate is ever revived.


Proof?

JCP61 wrote:10. The Green Plot to Enslave the World
well this is one of those very subjective topics.
the author deliberately avoided the example of a specific energy policy, in order not to have debate the merits of the varied promulgated national or international energy policies.


As would I. I read a really great green policy that had specifics on how to rebuild the grid, and the percentages and relations of several technologies. On the comments page of THAT article, many people were roasting the policy over the coals- mostly "the sky is falling" doomsday scenarios of what happens when you quit toxic energy like coal, oil, N gas... It's amazing to the point of just giving up and letting us kill ourselves.

#189494 by Slacker G
Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:59 pm
jimmydanger wrote:You could have saved a lot of time and just let Slacker write the list.


Well, not exactly. But I would show how far left of the far left these guys are.

Co founder of Alternet

AlterNet, a project of the non-profit Independent Media Institute, is a progressive/liberal[2] activist news service. Launched in 1998, AlterNet now claims a readership of over 3 million visitors per month[3] (the web ratings service Quantcast estimates that it receives 1.3 million

Roberto Lovato (born 1963) is a writer and commentator with New America Media and a strategy consultant and co-founder of Presente.org, an online Latino advocacy organization. The other founder is Don Hazen, another uber liberal.

http://www.sfbg.com/36/23/news_ed_alternet.html


Roberto has written and spoken extensively about a number of critical issues including climate change, national politics, immigration, Latin American politics, national security, race and race relations. He is a frequent contributor to The Nation and the Huffington Post and his work has appeared in U.S. and international media outlets including: the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Salon, Der Spiegel, Utne Magazine, and La Opinion. He has also appeared as a source and commentator in the New York Times, the Washington Post and Le Monde and in English and Spanish language network news shows on Univision, CNN, Democracy Now and Al-Jazeera.

Roberto Lovato Contributor to the following institutions


The Nation is the oldest continuously-published weekly magazine in the United States. The periodical, devoted to politics and culture, is self-described as "the flagship of the left."


The Huffington Post was launched on May 9, 2005, and is known as a left-leaning commentary outlet, but Arianna Huffington has stated that its goal is to go beyond the traditional liberal/left and conservative/right divide in American politics and news media.[5][6][7][8]


The San Francisco Chronicle is a newspaper serving primarily the San Francisco Bay Area of the U.S. state of California, but distributed throughout Northern and Central California, from the Sacramento area and Emerald Triangle south to Santa Barbara County. It was founded in 1865 as The Daily Dramatic Chronicle by teenage brothers Charles de Young and Michael H. de Young.[2]

Utne Reader (aka Utne) is an American bimonthly magazine. The magazine collects and reprints articles on politics, culture, and the environment from generally alternative media sources, including journals, newsletters, weeklies, zines, music and DVDs. In addition, the magazine's writers and editors contribute books, film, and music reviews and original articles which tend to focus on emerging cultural trends. The magazine's website produces ten blogs covering politics, environment, media, spirituality, science and technology, great writing, and the arts. ***

La Opinion has vastly diversified its coverage from purely Mexican to include the Central American, South American, Cuban, and Puerto Rican populations that have grown in Los Angeles over the last quarter century. It now includes reporting on issues relevant to a wide variety of Hispanics. In the words of former Publisher Ignacio E. Lozano, Jr.: Our mission was no longer to be a Mexican newspaper published in Los Angeles, but an American newspaper that happens to be published in Spanish.[10]

Since 1986, La Opinión's editorial staff has doubled in size and the paper has grown to include bureaus in Sacramento, California, Washington DC and Mexico City. In 1999 and 2000, La Opinión was recognized by the National Association of Hispanic Journalists as the Outstanding Spanish Language Daily Newspaper of the Year.

The New York Times (NYT) is an American daily newspaper founded and continuously published in New York City since 1851. The New York Times has won 108 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other news organization.[3][4] Its website is the most popular American newspaper website, receiving more than 30 million unique visitors per month.

The Washington Post is a leading American daily newspaper. It is the most widely circulated newspaper published in Washington, D.C., and oldest extant in the area, founded in 1877. Located in the capital city of the United States, The Post has a particular emphasis on national politics. Daily editions are printed for the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Virginia. The newspaper is published as a broadsheet, with photographs printed both in color and in black and white. In 2008, Marcus Brauchli replaced long-time executive editor Leonard Downie, Jr., serving publisher Katharine Weymouth.

Univision (Spanish pronunciation: [uni?i?sjon]) is a Spanish-language television network in the United States. It has the largest audience of Spanish-language television viewers in the world according to Nielsen ratings. Randy Falco, (CEO as of June 29, 2011) COO, has been in charge of the company since the departure of Univision Communications president and CEO Joe Uva in April 2010.[1] In recent years the network has reached parity with the U.S.'s five major English-language television networks, and is often a strong fifth, outranking The CW, with some fourth-place weekly placings, and as of 2012, even first place rankings for individual programs over all five English networks due to the network's consistent schedule of new telenovelas all 52 weeks of the year.

Democracy Now! is a United States daily progressive, nonprofit, independently syndicated program of news, analysis, and opinion,[2] aired by more than 1000 radio, television, satellite and cable TV networks in North America.[3] The award-winning one hour War and Peace Report is hosted by investigative journalists Amy Goodman[4] and Juan Gonzalez.[5][3] The program is funded entirely through contributions from listeners, viewers, and foundations and does not accept advertisers, corporate underwriting, or government funding

Al Jazeera (Arabic: ???????? al-g(azi-rah IPA: [æl d?æ?zi?r?], literally "The Island", abbreviating "The [Arabian] Peninsula"; also Aljazeera or JSC [Jazeera Satellite Channel]) is an independent[2][3] broadcaster owned by the state of Qatar through the Qatar Media Corporation and headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel, Al Jazeera has since expanded into a network with several outlets, including the Internet and specialty TV channels in multiple languages. Al Jazeera is accessible in several world regions.

Cable News Network (CNN) is a U.S. cable news channel founded in 1980 by American media mogul and philanthropist Ted Turner.[1][2] Upon its launch, CNN was the first channel to provide 24-hour television news coverage,[3] and the first all-news television channel in the United States.[4] While the news channel has numerous affiliates, CNN primarily broadcasts from its headquarters at the CNN Center in Atlanta, the Time Warner Center in New York City, and studios in Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles. CNN is owned by parent company Time Warner, and the U.S. news channel is a division of the Turner Broadcasting System
#189497 by Vampier
Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:21 pm
...Two Words of Truth ....ABSURD ELECTIONS. This coming foray into the ludicrous will take things to a "new level". Orchestrated Violence performing Symphonies of Blood throughout the US. The NWO have all their elements in place .... the Board is set ... TSA ...Militarized Police ... Castrated Constitution ...Executive Orders ... Fema Camps Operational ... Massive stocks of HOLLOW POINT bullets ... Censorship and Banning ... etc. etc.

Anyone who "votes" in this Absurdity is condoning whatever happens as a result. "Discussing" the "Issues" is ignoring the Truth and Reality which looms all around everyone now ... in the entire world. But this is only my opinion so feel free to dismiss it and get on with your debating and examining of the issues in order that you can "change" things with your valuable vote... then sit back after having exercised your "right" and enjoy the show ... censoring, arresting, detaining, re-educating, executing, and murder.

Land of the Free ? Home of the Brave ? Freedom?

#189502 by Kramerguy
Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:27 pm
So, slacker...

Is it bad to be a "conservative"? By being conservative, are you chained to the republican/tea party, and thus subjected to all of their faults and dispositions?

The word "liberal" is only the other side of the fence, yet somehow has suffered character assassination. In comparative terms, the word has been 'swiftboated' by a long-term slew of right-wing propaganda, but that's just semantics, right?

So now the term "progressive" has suffered the same fate it seems.

Frankly- I'm a progressive-conservative. In modern terms, that means I should consider myself a walking hypocrisy and a threat to the entire human race. Somebody had better kill me, quick.

In real terms that means I'm for limited government spending, but socially liberal. Oh, now I'm in for it.. lol.

The government would operate just fine if it stuck to governing and not wasting so much on wars and other pet projects. But hey, lets even take war out of the equation and discuss why the transportation bill had more than 1/3 of it going to special interests that have nothing to do with transportation.. EVERY bill has pork in it, and nobody complains. Watchdog sites point it out on every bill that comes up for passage and all the sudden the politicians and media trip over themselves pointing out how social security, immigration, welfare, etc.. are bankrupting the country.. NO, we got more than enough resources to cover all three and then some. The real problem is all the WASTE (look at some of the stuff santourm put billions into while he was in the senate..), compile that waste with corporate tax shelters, corporate welfare (exxon.. 28BIL in profits and still getting subsidies / Verizon got a tax refund last year)..

we are biting off the nose to spite the face. Too little of the government spending is actually spent on governing.

#189509 by Planetguy
Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:20 pm
man does not live by music alone. :wink:

besides, ya can only argue, bitch, and moan about music so much. politics on the other hand.....

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