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Liberals blame coal burning chariots were at fault while conservatives suspect that a burrito dinner thrown by Zeus and Thor gave rise to the the increased gas emissions.
Independents citing Alethea Paul, empire spokesman, claim cover up.

Yeah. Global warming / climate change for sure.

if nothing else, burning coal spews partical mercury into the air, where it floats anywhere from ground zero to halfway around the world, eventually getting caught in a storm and raining down onto the earth below, where it seeps into the ground, absorbed by plants, crops, eaten by animals, seeps into groundwater and rivers, streams, fish.. eventually several of those end up consumed by humans.

And that's just one of dozens, if not hundreds of toxic chemicals that have found their way into our everyday lives.

And we're all getting sicker and sicker. Autism, Downs, parkinsons, adhd, aspergers, MR, diabetes, juvenile diabetes, MS, lukemia, cancer, childhood cancer, agenesis of the corpus callosum, bipolar and other psychological disorders..

.. All not just on the rise, but many rising at epidemic levels.

GW is only a notch on the cog.. and not even worthy of debate anymore. We are slowly poisoning the entire planet, and believe me, we WILL eventually make it unlivable if we continue our current trend, it's not a matter of IF, but WHEN.

if nothing else, burning coal spews partical mercury into the air, where it floats anywhere from ground zero to halfway around the world, eventually getting caught in a storm and raining down onto the earth below, where it seeps into the ground, absorbed by plants, crops, eaten by animals, seeps into groundwater and rivers, streams, fish.. eventually several of those end up consumed by humans.

And that's just one of dozens, if not hundreds of toxic chemicals that have found their way into our everyday lives.

And we're all getting sicker and sicker. Autism, Downs, parkinsons, adhd, aspergers, MR, diabetes, juvenile diabetes, MS, lukemia, cancer, childhood cancer, agenesis of the corpus callosum, bipolar and other psychological disorders..

.. All not just on the rise, but many rising at epidemic levels.

GW is only a notch on the cog.. and not even worthy of debate anymore. We are slowly poisoning the entire planet, and believe me, we WILL eventually make it unlivable if we continue our current trend, it's not a matter of IF, but WHEN.

Not to mention all of the acrylic and polyester fibers, along with all the little bits of polyurethane, that are now found abundantly in ocean water samples from all around the world. And of course there's those huge islands "the size of Texas" of plastic bags floating around out in the ocean.

There are just such enormous amounts of money to be made from destroying the environment ... large corporations act about as responsibly as any desperate crack addict would.

Why is it liberals deny any and all science and scientists who show data that the sun causes global warming, not pollutants?

I do not deny pollution exists. That is obvious when you are near a city and breathe deep and your chest feels weird. And I have gotten acid rain on my garden, and who knows what wiped out all my squash and cuke plants this year. But, c'mon, we are talking about a planet here. A few large volcanoes reportedly spew more stuff into the air than coal plants running full bore for months if not years on end.

Get the coal, get the oil, find ways to burn it more efficiently and cleanly, but get it and use it. Solar panels and wind mills are never going to replace fossil fuels in our lifetime, or any lifetime. maybe fusion, if they can crack some hard nuts with it. Otherwise, why should America be dependent on nations who couldn't care less if we dropped into the oceans for good?

Unless everybody wants to stop having inexpensive electricity to power their gear and recording systems, and driving their vehicles to work and play, scientists best find ways to burn these fuels more efficiently, because modern society is dependent on them.

Obama stated point blank before the election he would work to instill policy and laws with regulations that would probably shut down coal plants and significantly raise the price of electricity. No thanks.

....Excellent Thread Post Slacker. Kramer ... well said as your other recent Posts. For me it seems none of this really matters at this point due to the nuclear contamination which I feel is destined to wipeout utterly most if not all life forms upon this planet. Everything you stated about mercury was spot on Kramer and it all can be applied to radioactive particles to the power or Qne Million.

As George Carlin stated "the planet will be okay". Everyone needs to "get their house in order" and decide what they wish to do before they die ... if anything. Then go for it and hope that you will be able to achieve it. We are all walking dead at this moment, any children who are born now are doomed , the oceans are dying, the skies are polluted, the earth is polluted...mankind is polluted ... all terminally. It is not the eleventh hour, that was a long time ago. The world is about to erupt as it never has before and celestial events will dwarf anything that the "AntiHumans" can stage.

To quote Vinny .... Love is the answer. But at this point there is no solution and the "Love" that is the answer is that within the self and it's relation to the cosmos. The sooner one accepts this then the better their remaining life will be. It is going to get very nasty very soon now. The reality is that everything most have believed in is a LIE and everything the political filth say is also lies. Mercury pales into insignificance when one compares it to Radioactivity, DU, GMO's, manmade Virus and slow kill applications. It is over. The US is almost destroyed now and it's ignorant populations are watching the debates and argueing about mute points, all the while being unaware for the most part. Man the Animal.

Ta Live Well Die Well

Vampier. I believe in a loving Creator who has graciously offered a way out of the mess. And I believe His way out will take place well before I need to become one with the cosmos. If I become one with Christ, I will be just fine. It is His earth, in His control, under His timetable, and I am thankful for it, despite mankind's abuse of it all.

...Drums ... very well stated. I have no problem accepting your belief in this matter, I have my own admittedly slightly different but certainly not incompatible with yours.

"My religion is based on Truth and Non-violence. Truth is my God. Non-violence is the means of realizing him."

Gandhi

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Well, as Pilate said, "What is truth?"

For me, having once been an atheist thinking I had truth, finding another which eradicated everything I once believed in, has been a wild thirty-three year experience now.

So ... what foundation source of information can man use to decide what is truth?

Science is the only path to truth. If it's not verified with repeatable experiments it didn't happen.

Well by that definition the Big Bang is not true, nor is Darwinian evolution, nor any idea of macro-evolution. None of it can be tested in a lab and no one was there to see any of it happen. So, TRULY, my faith in the creation is no different than your faith in stories of everything from a pencil dot of energy.

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"Morality is the basis of things and truth is the substance of all morality."

Gandhi

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Is Ghandi to be my source of morality and truth?

Well by that definition the Big Bang is not true, nor is Darwinian evolution, nor any idea of macro-evolution. None of it can be tested in a lab and no one was there to see any of it happen. So, TRULY, my faith in the creation is no different than your faith in stories of everything from a pencil dot of energy.

No one said anything about a lab. The whole universe is the "lab". The Cosmic Microwave Radiation is accepted as proof of the Big Bang.

http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/cmbrad.htm

Evolution happens so slowly we cannot directly observe it happening, but it happens nonetheless.

http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/fi ... -evolution

Of course the search for truth does not preclude the existence of a creator (God), but most likely science will never be able to prove there is or isn't a God so it's not on most scientists to-do lists.

Why is it liberals deny any and all science and scientists who show data that the sun causes global warming, not pollutants?

I do not deny pollution exists. That is obvious when you are near a city and breathe deep and your chest feels weird. And I have gotten acid rain on my garden, and who knows what wiped out all my squash and cuke plants this year. But, c'mon, we are talking about a planet here. A few large volcanoes reportedly spew more stuff into the air than coal plants running full bore for months if not years on end.

Get the coal, get the oil, find ways to burn it more efficiently and cleanly, but get it and use it. Solar panels and wind mills are never going to replace fossil fuels in our lifetime, or any lifetime. maybe fusion, if they can crack some hard nuts with it. Otherwise, why should America be dependent on nations who couldn't care less if we dropped into the oceans for good?

I don't deny GW. I think your science needs some oversight though. It's a pretty common fact that when you trap enough CO2 in a dome, you will create a feedback loop of warming. We aren't there yet, of course, but we are undoubtedly heading that way, at an accellerating pace.

Vamp is spot on about nuclear waste.. we have a LOT more of it than many people realize or want to admit, and no matter what we do with it, it finds it's way into the ecosystem. No doubt volcanoes spew an unbelievable amount of ash, soot, and chemicals into the air, but they are usually one-time or short term events, where once the dust settles after a few days, things go back to normal. Our assault on the ecosystem with hundreds of chemicals and spreading of mercury is constant and accelerating.. it's friggin non-stop. Instead of one layer of easily dissolveable poison, we have layer upon layer, dozens, or even hundreds of layers.. nobody even knows how bad it is because nobody is interested in the truth.

All that being said, vamps conclusions are unfortunately correct and logical. None will survive the damage we've done. We are witnessing the beginning of the end-game. My guess is by 2025, the entire world will be like the latest judge dredd movie in terms of contamination and crime / societal breakdown, and by 2050 , game over.