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Father-Daughter talk - A rather gentle explanation of the difference in thinking between people with opposite outlooks.

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence."

If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, they don't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, they want all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, they want all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, they think about how to better their situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of them.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, they switch channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced and/or outlawed.

If a conservative decides they need health care, they go shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for it for them.

If a conservative reads this, they'll re-post it so their friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because they're "offended" at the truth.

Well, I posted it for you to enjoy

That was pretty good hahahaha.

But don't ever think that an elephant is better than a donkey.
In the end they are both jackasses.

What an ignorant post.

Liberals don't believe in the "redistribution of wealth". That's a conservative bogyman.

Liberals believe in government sponsored programs that benefit EVERYONE in society. Things like the military, roads, police, social security, fire fighters and universal health care. Services that everyone can benefit from.


Conservatives have turned liberalism into something it's not so they have an ideology to argue against. Because that's the conservative M.O. - create division. Argue against the "opposition" so they can create fear and spread hate. And if the opposition isn't really opposed enough, they they'll just re-label things however they want to create the illusion of division.

It's irritating to read such stuff. It doesn't further the conversation. It does nothing to reveal the common ground. It just creates more hard feelings and creates more division.

Embarrassing. Really.

Yes Mr.Dog that was weak, sorry.

I believe that the individual's rights should trump the rights of the government and big business so I'm a liberal.

I believe we need laws to protect the environment from corporate greed so I'm a liberal.

I believe a woman has the right to do what she chooses with her body so I'm a liberal.

I believe that all individuals should have the freedom to practice any (or none) religion that they choose as long as it's not taught to my children in school so I'm a liberal.

I believe a society's duty is to take care of its weakest members so I'm a liberal.

I believe rich people should pay their fair share in taxes so I'm a liberal.

I believe science is the only way the human race will survive so I'm a liberal.

I tire so easily from ignorant faux-conservatives so I'm a liberal.

Christopher Holmes wrote:What an ignorant post.

Liberals don't believe in the "redistribution of wealth". That's a conservative bogyman.

Liberals believe in government sponsored programs that benefit EVERYONE in society. Things like the military, roads, police, social security, fire fighters and universal health care. Services that everyone can benefit from.


Conservatives have turned liberalism into something it's not so they have an ideology to argue against. Because that's the conservative M.O. - create division. Argue against the "opposition" so they can create fear and spread hate. And if the opposition isn't really opposed enough, they they'll just re-label things however they want to create the illusion of division.

It's irritating to read such stuff. It doesn't further the conversation. It does nothing to reveal the common ground. It just creates more hard feelings and creates more division.

Embarrassing. Really.

The post implied that liberals would respond this way...and IT WAS RIGHT! LOL!

Liberals don't believe in the "redistribution of wealth". That's a conservative bogyman.

Liberals believe in government sponsored programs that benefit EVERYONE in society. Things like the military, roads, police, social security, fire fighters and universal health care. Services that everyone can benefit from.

Holy crappola!... Are you kidding me? What part of "Benefit Everyone in Society" and "Redistribution of Wealth" correlation escapes you? And how can you imply that Liberals have a monopoly on the ideology of community services. For example...do you actually believe Firefighters are staunchly supported only by Liberals... Gimme a break dude!

The post was meant to be humorous...

The truth be told, I support both liberal and conservative Ideologies... Unlike many idiots in America, I actually attempt to apply some common sense with the ideologies. For example... I'm not gonna f**k - ing pay for a needle exchange program (WITH MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS) , just because some dumbass hippie occultist burnout Jerry-Brown wanna be thinks it will benefit society...They can go f**k themselves... On the other hand, I can laugh about it and help a junkie out when i don't feel like I'm told I "have" to...

Embarrassing??? This entire country is a f**k embarrassment! Were the laughing stock of the world, We lead the way in Fatness, Over indulgence, White collar crime, drugs and and Gangs ... We got Bieber all over the place./.. And you feel offended by a simple post??

jimmydanger wrote:Yes Mr.Dog that was weak, sorry.

I believe that the individual's rights should trump the rights of the government and big business so I'm a liberal.

Why, did you want to build a nuke in your garage or something?

I believe we need laws to protect the environment from corporate greed so I'm a liberal.

Did you not review that really cool video of Carlin...?" I stand with his position... Basically, he says... f**k Environmentalists...They are only worried about how pollution inconveniences them...They just want a clean place to live...They don't really give a sh*t about the planet ...

I believe a woman has the right to do what she chooses with her body so I'm a liberal.

You may be... But That's human rights issue...Liberals just wanted to look cool , so they called that their own ideology... Later, conservatives who fell for the rouse, countered it and blamed liberals for all the coat hanger abortions. The irony was that the ideology of women's right to abuse their own bodies, came about from very ugly women who got pregnant and were begged to not ever breed again.

I believe that all individuals should have the freedom to practice any (or none) religion that they choose as long as it's not taught to my children in school so I'm a liberal.

You may be, But In all grade, grammar and Highshool years that I attended, I never once saw or received any lesson on religion... I mimicked the pledge of allegiance... and mocked the teachers... Never once, was I forced to take a rosary, wear a yamaka or bomb a locker room.

I believe a society's duty is to take care of its weakest members so I'm a liberal.

You may be... but Conservatives share in that belief. But there is a third element called the "Bleeding-Heart" liberals... who will brake for animals at the expense of your child flying through a window. The kicker lies in the fact that they get a free car seat, while you slave away to buy yours...

I believe rich people should pay their fair share in taxes so I'm a liberal.

You may be... But in my book , anybody who believes we should pay ANY taxes ...is an idiot... By the way, if you believe in paying any taxesand if you are NOT an idiot...that makes you a conservative... Hmmmm....

I believe science is the only way the human race will survive so I'm a liberal.

You may be, but humans survived long before science came about. and they'll probably survive long after science dwindles out and gets replaced with Idiocracy.

I tire so easily from ignorant faux-conservatives so I'm a liberal.

Nope... You are probably conservative... Cause a liberal NEVER tires of arguing for more money and goverment sponsored programs...

Why do we have to label people one way or another?

This is how nonsense occurs.

A liberal or conservative has a stance that diametrically opposed to the vote, follow me? But the rest of his party is voting another way.

Next thing you know, they are putting pressure for this guy to vote in the same way because there is supposed to be cohesion in this variety of political baseball teams.

If you don't vote the way they want you to, you are a "traitor to the cause".
If you do, you just gave in to pressure even though you feel differently than they do.

In short, it's mud slinging and neither side is correct.

Both sides do stupid sh*t and both sides will lie, cheat and steal because they can.

You want to find an honest politician? Look for an independent or the guy that still has his day job despite his 6 figure income from politics alone.

You won't find even 1.

I believe that the individual's rights should trump the rights of the government and big business so I'm a liberal.

What??

that is a conservative position.

I believe we need laws to protect the environment from corporate greed so I'm a liberal.

we already have those. Now we must make up laws to suit psuedo-science and impose them on everyone?

The truth is that the green movement is about eco-terrorism.
They use the environment as an excuse to extort money from big business. Environementalists are greedy SOBs, just like they people they are trying to make you hate.

I believe a woman has the right to do what she chooses with her body

Me too! I don't think she has the right to kill another person for convenience, however, even if that person is currenly living within her body.

If you think that murdering an innocent baby is a noble profit motive, then you are indeed a liberal.

I believe that all individuals should have the freedom to practice any (or none) religion that they choose as long as it's not taught to my children in school

That is not only the conservative position, but the christian one as well. It was christians who made that the law of the land because they had been persecuted in Europe. Except for the Roman Catholic church in countries outside of the USA, I've never heard of christians trying to force conversions on anyone. The RCC is exactly why christians made that the law of the early colonies.

If you think people should be forced to renounce any kind of faith in God and accept all secular morality and philosophy, even when it goes against their faith (or common sense), then you are indeed a liberal.

I believe a society's duty is to take care of its weakest members

If that statement is as written, then you are a conservative christian.

If you mean that other people (besides you) should pay for the lazy and the foolish to continue being lazy and foolish, then you are indeed a liberal.

I believe rich people should pay their fair share in taxes

As do conservatives! What is "fair"is where the debate comes.

Do you think that someone who works harder than their neighbor should have to pay a higher percentage because their neighbor is not as productive?

Do you think that people who do nothing to add to the Gross National Product should be rewarded for doing drugs and watching cartoons all day by not paying ANY taxes...yet receiving the abundance of those who do work hard every day?

But the biggest fallacy here is this: Who do you think pays the taxes on a company? The consumers of whatever it produces do....so "taxing the rich" is a euphemism for taxes on the middle-to-low-class consumer without you knowing that politicians are picking your pocket again. That is why you have so many rich Congressmen playing you like a fiddle. They know you haven't figured that out. Do you really believe they are going to do anything that cuts into their pie?




If so, you are indeed a liberal.


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I believe science is the only way the human race will survive so I'm a liberal.

Science gave us nuclear weapons, radiated food, and the conveniences that are making Americans fat.

Science is actually the biggest threat to our existance. If you think scientists are working only for the good of mankind with the highest of noble intentions, then you are indeed a liberal.

I tire so easily from ignorant faux-conservatives so I'm a liberal.

Do you also tire from the lies and propoganda of the leftists? If so, you are a thinking human being. If not, you are indeed a liberal.




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Help, I had too much POLITICS to drink and surely I will vomit..

(pile goes here) lol

PaperDog wrote:Holy crappola!... Are you kidding me? What part of "Benefit Everyone in Society" and "Redistribution of Wealth" correlation escapes you?

What part of the English language escapes you? All of it?

"Redistribution of wealth" implies that money is taken from one group of people and GIVEN to another group; a straight-up trade. That's completely different from everyone paying into a pool (taxes) and that pool being used to provide services that benefit everyone.

This is what I meant by a conservative, political "bogyman". Right-wingers like to frame the taxes discussion as "redistribution of wealth" because it creates an unpalatable selection of words; it paints a mental image that is unpleasant to anyone listening to the conversation.

No one wants to have their hard earned money "given" to someone of lesser means. I work hard for my money too; I don't want it to just be "taken" and "given" to someone else who isn't as educated as me and doesn't work as hard.

That image gets put into people's minds and it is an unsavory image. And that is precisely why right-wingers frame the argument that way.

But it's wrong. And it's divisive.

And how can you imply that Liberals have a monopoly on the ideology of community services. For example...do you actually believe Firefighters are staunchly supported only by Liberals... Gimme a break dude!

Try reading comprehension again. No one has a monopoly on community services. You're not comprehending my point. That's on you.

I'm trying to refute that idea of what conservatives think a "liberal" is. Conservatives have taken the "liberal" label and turned it into an adversarial ideaby defining it a certain way - specifically so they have an "opponent" to battle against.

But their definition is wrong.

Liberals no more want to take money and "give" to another group of people than "Conservatives" do.

You see, the problem I have with most political discussion is that they exist to create division. If you really look at things completely, you find that both camps actually want a lot of the same things. Hence, no "monopoly" on community service. Conservatives or Liberals, Democrats or Republicans - everyone enjoys driving on well-maintained highways, living under the protection of the best military in the world, having access to quality and affordable healthy care, etc.

Where the camps diverge is in the implementation of some of these benefits, but they all still want them.

The post was meant to be humorous...

It's not. It's the same B.S. that keeps creating division within our nation. I'd personally prefer not to see this sort of thing posted on Bandmix. But that's just me.

The truth be told, I support both liberal and conservative Ideologies... Unlike many idiots in America, I actually attempt to apply some common sense with the ideologies.

Me too. So why post something that you know is divisive and will cause a stir? That seems rather pointless to me. It's poking a bee's nest.

Embarrassing??? This entire country is a f**k embarrassment! Were the laughing stock of the world, We lead the way in Fatness, Over indulgence, White collar crime, drugs and and Gangs ... We got Bieber all over the place./.. And you feel offended by a simple post??

Embarrassed and offended are two different things. Again, reading comprehension, English language, all that... Please don't "put words in my mouth".

It embarrasses me to read a post like that from a fellow American. We're a better country than that, but we keep posting divisive things like that. We keep the discussion at a low level; we make sure to use words that divide; we make sure to use words that anger and polarize. That post, humorous as you might find it, does nothing to further the conversation or improve our lives.

I want my neighbor to use some fertilizer on his lawn so it
doesn't look all brown next to mine.

I want Monsanto to create a genetic strain of corn that
when added to dog food will make my dog fly.

I want my neighbor to be more heavily taxed if he doesn't
take his trash cans in after they have been emptied.

I want all monies metal and paper to glow in the dark period.

I want my wife to learn about 3 more positions.

I want everyone in America to work 25 years then 5 years public service
before retiring.

I want to say the pledge of alegence if I want to dammit.

I want a 3rd, 4th and 5th Party system max.

I want Bandmix to sponsor an annual party.

I want neanderpaul voted most diverse talent on site.

I want my boss to retire, quickly.

I want the melting pot to have a lid put on it.

I want plea bargaining to stop period.

I want what I want![/b]

Klug that is some funny sh!t!

I thought I'ld throw a little of me in the mix.[/b]

I would just add one thing to that,

I want all hoodlums to know my neighbor doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment and out of respect for him, I won't use my guns to help him if you rob his house.