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How to Make Banks Really Mad: Occupy Foreclosures

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Telecaster Blaster wrote:If you want to actually blame responsible actors in the financial abyss the world is now in, BLAME THE G.D. GOVERNMENT...no accountability for FRAUD, blatant collusion with the bankers, and no accountability for the POS politicians of both parties that have been acting in the interests of the PTB for the last 30 years...no make that the last century and a half since fascist Lincoln (and no, he wasn't the great emancipator...he killed 600,000 of his citizens of a right to secede enshrined in the Declaration of Independence).

STOP THE LOOTING...START THE PROSECUTING. But your government will never do that...especially Obamites and his kitchen slave, Eric Holder (AJ). He's got enough problems shipping guns to the Mexicans, who kill our own people.

A "right to secede?"
That must be in the fine print.
I have never seen such a right in the Declaration of Independance before.

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Telecaster Blaster wrote:You've got to be kidding.

That was what the Declaration of Independence was all about...I mean, have you read it?

That right did not end simply because the some people signed on a document...the right to self-determination is a NATURAL RIGHT, not one bestowed by governments...

If you are familiar with the history of the nation, you will recall that secession was always considered a viable course, should tyranny again rise...the mid-Atlantic state's convention to discuss that in the 1830s comes to mind. Additionally, may states had their acceptance CATEGORICALLY CONDITIONAL upon the right, at their option, to secede at any time.

There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that precludes secession by the same process by which a State enters the Union.....the "Lincoln Lie" notwithstanding.

You (and Rick Perry) are sorely mistaken.
OVERTHROWING the government is our right, not secession.
The basis of the colonies' secession from the British Empire is the fact that, as subjects of the crown, we had no voice in public affairs. Since everyone was a British subject by birth they also had no choice but be British subjects.
The issue of seceding from the United States wasn't really brought up until the Civil War, and Lincoln settled that.
Hardly a tyrant, Lincoln would have been within his right to execute the confederate soldiers after the war for treason. He did not.
You have a pretty twisted view of history.

Mike Nobody wrote:

Telecaster Blaster wrote:You've got to be kidding.

That was what the Declaration of Independence was all about...I mean, have you read it?

That right did not end simply because the some people signed on a document...the right to self-determination is a NATURAL RIGHT, not one bestowed by governments...

If you are familiar with the history of the nation, you will recall that secession was always considered a viable course, should tyranny again rise...the mid-Atlantic state's convention to discuss that in the 1830s comes to mind. Additionally, may states had their acceptance CATEGORICALLY CONDITIONAL upon the right, at their option, to secede at any time.

There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that precludes secession by the same process by which a State enters the Union.....the "Lincoln Lie" notwithstanding.

You (and Rick Perry) are sorely mistaken.
OVERTHROWING the government is our right, not secession.
The basis of the colonies' secession from the British Empire is the fact that, as subjects of the crown, we had no voice in public affairs. Since everyone was a British subject by birth they also had no choice but be British subjects.
The issue of seceding from the United States wasn't really brought up until the Civil War, and Lincoln settled that.
Hardly a tyrant, Lincoln would have been within his right to execute the confederate soldiers after the war for treason. He did not.
You have a pretty twisted view of history.

You guys are both Part correct. Technically, Mike, its not the overt right to 'overthrow' the governemnt, rather it is the implied right to a revolution, which typically results in overthrow of government.. Telecaster, Its not the right to seceed, as much as it is the right to a revolution, such that a secession might arise as a result. Not directly stated, but rather 'implied", the declaration reads as follows:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness[4]

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Jeez, even the hippies learned how to change the system from within. If a state cannot exist within the current framework without threatening succession I would say they're no better than a dirty, unwashed hippie.

jimmydanger wrote:Jeez, even the hippies learned how to change the system from within. If a state cannot exist within the current framework without threatening succession I would say they're no better than a dirty, unwashed hippie.

They didn't change enough.

We're still working on it. Marijuana laws and gay rights are both direct descendants of the hippie movement.

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Telecaster Blaster wrote:"How Tyranny Came to America" for a short explanation...

It all started with street signs.

Master Blaster wrote:"But 'gay rights' ? Homosexuals have always been free to marry...however, same-sex marriage is a contradiction in terms.

Always free to marry? as long as they don't leave estates to their spouses or end up in the hospital et al.

jimmydanger wrote:We're still working on it. Marijuana laws and gay rights are both direct descendants of the hippie movement.

Yes on marijuana laws, Nope on Gay rights. Gay rights is not the result of hippies...Rather its the result of the em-bitterd 1970's/80s femi-nazis, who had not yet stepped out of the proverbial closets... themselves, (They didn't really understand their own anger at men , till much later).

I'm just saying, Hippies were about civil rights at large, but most of em did not include or view Gay rights as an issue.

Telecaster Blaster wrote:The right to establish different government, is a de facto secession from that government (which is a separate entity from the governed). It is also the implication of the 2nd Amendment, which states that it is necessary for a FREE STATE to have a well-regulated (trained, in the vernacular of the time) militia (corps of citizen-soldiers) for the purpose of maintaining their freedom. It WASN'T about hunting or personal defense, despite the NRA's focusing on such tangential purposes. This was a lesson from the American Revolution...secession? Or overthrow of the existing order?

I submit that the difference between secession and overthrow of existing government is a difference without practical meaning. Unfortunately, changing the government by voting is no longer a viable means to an end. If voting were actually capable of making a difference, it would be made illegal.

Actually, In my previous statement, I err'd... I meant to say: Secession is not the result of a revolution...It's usually the beginning of one.... To that end , the distinction is more than negligible, and is highly practical... since its forewarns us strife ahead.

I agree Votes mean nothing today,

But Votes with your dollars has some power (Under-used) I find that if me and many others stop buying Toyota Camrys...Eventually we will see our roads overrun with mega-sized, bulky and butt ugly 4x4 trucks , whom most people don't actually need, but for their incessent need to tell the world how small their penises really are.

Money is a powerful tool which happens to keep getting nicked out the hands of the herd, and into the hands of the fewer wolves... When the f**k will America figure this out?

A dirty unwashed hippie