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This is what I think:
I think it's WRONG to try ppl in the news, especially when the content is edited for sensationalism.
I think that reasonable doubt SHOULD be the cornerstone of any real "justice" system.
I think that sometimes the guilty will get away with their deeds, but that is the price we pay for not being able to lock ppl up willy-nilly with rumor & innuendo.
I think that PROOF should be needed before you can lock someone up, or worse, & that if you cannot provide it, they should go free, no matter the personal opinions of the community at large.
I think that circumstantial evidence is a very shaky thing, very often.
I would rather a criminal go free than an innocent person be convicted of a crime.

philbymon wrote:This is what I think:
I think it's WRONG to try ppl in the news, especially when the content is edited for sensationalism.
I think that reasonable doubt SHOULD be the cornerstone of any real "justice" system.
I think that sometimes the guilty will get away with their deeds, but that is the price we pay for not being able to lock ppl up willy-nilly with rumor & innuendo.
I think that PROOF should be needed before you can lock someone up, or worse, & that if you cannot provide it, they should go free, no matter the personal opinions of the community at large.
I think that circumstantial evidence is a very shaky thing, very often.
I would rather a criminal go free than an innocent person be convicted of a crime.

That's very Excellent... Now, how does any of this help little Caylee?

I don't know if you realize it or not, but Caylee is beyond the help of any living being.

All we can do is to punish those who we KNOW WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT are guilty of a crime.

I don't think that we should be just shooting at any available scapegoat for poor little Caylee, either. Sometimes all we can do is to leave the judgement in the hands of the Ultimate Judge, if we cannot prove anyone's guilt. Ppl these days are all too eager to throw stones at others in the name of a victim, without thinking that perhaps they are doing naught but creating a new victim with that action.

This time, the system worked, whether or not you believe it. It also worked in the OJ Simpson trial. You have to accept that sometimes an evil-doer will walk free. Sorry. But that is better by far, than to have innocents punished at the whims of angry mobs, or ppl who may not have all the facts.

Just my .02...

philbymon wrote:I don't know if you realize it or not, but Caylee is beyond the help of any living being.

All we can do is to punish those who we KNOW WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT are guilty of a crime.

I don't think that we should be just shooting at any available scapegoat for poor little Caylee, either. Sometimes all we can do is to leave the judgement in the hands of the Ultimate Judge, if we cannot prove anyone's guilt. Ppl these days are all too eager to throw stones at others in the name of a victim, without thinking that perhaps they are doing naught but creating a new victim with that action.

This time, the system worked, whether or not you believe it. It also worked in the OJ Simpson trial. You have to accept that sometimes an evil-doer will walk free. Sorry. But that is better by far, than to have innocents punished at the whims of angry mobs, or ppl who may not have all the facts.

Just my .02...

Some facts about the Case:

1) They could neither prove or disprove: Motive, Cause of Death, Location of death, When it actually occured.

Under U.S. Laws, such a case would then move to circumstantial components (Its been done in the absence of bodies in the past)

The presiding judge, just "happens" to be vollying for an up coming re-election. So most of this case was dragged out unnecessarily, for a dog & pony show, hence the press conviction...

All I can say is... There is a dead little girl...who had NO f**k CHANCE ON THIS EARTH being pitted by the the f**k ADULT ASSHOLES WHO GOT IT ALL WRONG!

Just my 2 cents

Really, Paper, we got it all wrong? This chick is innocent? Ok.

Sorry, but I put together facts from the case. Yes, they're circumstantial, but this chick is nuttier than a fruitcake - and you forget I work for a law firm, so I'm not reading People magazine here, I'm looking at testimony in the case. To drag up her father abused her. Her attorney knew that it would create some juror sympathy in light of the public calling for her head on a platter.

I wonder how caring everyone would be if Casey Anthony was a fat, ugly chick, y'all would be outraged as the rest.

All I've got to say, she's smart as hell and she can lie her ass off.

So sure, Phil, let her guilty ass walk and maybe now, just maybe, the world will take note and we'll see less minority men getting convicted on circumstantial evidence just because they look like "they coulda done it."

Chaeya

Chaeya wrote:Really, Paper, we got it all wrong? This chick is innocent? Ok.

Sorry, but I put together facts from the case. Yes, they're circumstantial, but this chick is nuttier than a fruitcake - and you forget I work for a law firm, so I'm not reading People magazine here, I'm looking at testimony in the case. To drag up her father abused her. Her attorney knew that it would create some juror sympathy in light of the public calling for her head on a platter.

I wonder how caring everyone would be if Casey Anthony was a fat, ugly chick, y'all would be outraged as the rest.

All I've got to say, she's smart as hell and she can lie her ass off.

So sure, Phil, let her guilty ass walk and maybe now, just maybe, the world will take note and we'll see less minority men getting convicted on circumstantial evidence just because they look like "they coulda done it."

Chaeya

Whoa there Chaeya... I do NOT think this chick is innocent..Not by a long shot...In My rant... I'm saying she walked because The entire battery of Law enforcement and the Prosecutor totally f**k it up... Add to that, the Judge and his seemingly personal agenda... (Which I cannot prove any correlation) .

Lets talk about about that defense attorney and this whole business of engineering the sympathy of the Jury. First off...and I say this with every fiber of my being... How f**k arrogant to play any jury like that. It makes me wanna projectile -vomit all over the bench. Furthermore. it Insults me to no end to presume that I'm gonna be persuaded as a juror because she is a NON-minority, "young & attractive". How f**k dare anybody presume that of me... and isn't that card just a bit over played?. It grieves me to know that the defense atty would stoop that f**k low to bolster her case. First off, Even if the father did abuse Casey...What relevance does that have to the evidence surrounding the death of the child? It was bull-shit to drag that in.....plain and simple.

As I said before...She walked cause they could NOT provide tacit elements to support the accusation and presumption of her guilt. They couldn't , because they are f**k Morons. And that is what I originally meant about Caylee's dire odds of justice. In Other words... She got none.. PERIOD!

Gotcha.

But yes, the prosecution chose to use the "hey let's project her as a party girl gone wild." Also, it's hard to get Murder 1 and 2 on circumstantial evidence.

Now, one lady stated about going after her for neglect resulting in death, that could've happened, but she wouldn't have gotten life in prison or the death penalty for that, which was why the prosecution came out with guns blazing, but no bullets.

I think this will be like Lizzy Bordon where we know she did it or was involved, but it will go to her grave. I really don't care because her life will be a living hell always having to dodge death threats, I mean, who's going to give her a job with her jail record of theft, forgery, writing bad checks. If she gets enough from her book deal and movie rights, she'll have to pay for security. It's gonna be interesting.

Chaeya

Oh I wanted for this woman to be found guilty so badly I couldn’t wait for the verdict, like everyone else I got caught up in this case but my gut feeling told me she is not going to be found guilty due to no direct evidence connecting her to the death of her child.

This woman as principal care giver and primarily responsible for her child's safety, failed in her responsibility to care for the 2 year old resulting in the death of a toddler who was totally dependent on her mother, there’s some kind of crime in there, she should have been found guilty at least on that charge, heck according to this failure of mother she didn’t know where her little daughter was or what happened to her, this may not be a crime in the minds of a jury but judging by the reaction of the public at large is a crime in the minds of public opinion which is safe to say numbers far more than 12 people.

Yes the letter of the law has been observed and preserved once again at the expense of justice reiterating the old belief the Law does not always produce justice.

Somebody please write a song "Justice for Caylee" and post it.

I really try very hard to escape the media frenzy over this kind of thing. It keeps me uninvolved & unemotional, once the verdict comes in.

The intent of the justice system in this country is set up so that, once you are found not guilty, or innocent (2 different things, btw), you can move on with your life without fear of further repercussions regarding the case.

When trials are so public, that cannot happen. From what I've heard from everyone around me, Casey seems to be guilty as hell of many things.

But just imagine this - if she WERE innocent of this crime, how would this public display create any sort of justice in her life?

Personally, I think that if a person is not convicted of a crime charged by the state, the state should have to pay their legal fees. Far too many ppl are ruined for life by the mere cost of protecting themselves in court. If the state paid for losing, perhaps it would make better cases against ppl rather than cluttering up the courts with BS, thus saving us taxpayers untold amounts of court costs.

Though I think the media should be allowed into court, to protect us all, I think the media's role has turned quite toxic in this country.

Phil, the media's done what it's done for years, and it hasn't turned toxic, it's been toxic. The minute you get famous, they'll build you up then they'll go on a scavenger hunt to find something to destroy you.

Look at Tiger Woods. I could close my eyes and see all the guys jacking off when they revealed him to be a womanizer. And all these idiots going "oh I was so disappointed." Are you f**k kidding me? All the frickin' alcoholics, drugs and womanizers in pro sports anything. They just didn't get caught and that golddigging chick looked like many of the attorney wives I see around here, it's almost like a profession in itself to marry some rich dude and bear his kids. Let the checks stop coming in, 90% of them would be gone. So please.

As far as cases go, you had the press for Andrea Yates who drowned her 5 children in the bathtub. This woman was ill and if it weren't for the press, no one would have ever taken post-partum depression as a serious problem. It is, I know for a fact after having two kids that you can get some pretty evil thoughts. Most women are strong enough to deal with them, some of them are not. This woman became overwhelmed, she grew psychotic. However, she admitted what she did! Not once did she try to cover up the fact that she murdered her kids! And many people saw that she was sick and felt pity for her. And I got angry with her husband for keep knocking her up with kids, like WTF!!! Sorry, but people don't know how to handle depression and mental illness in this country. Because it deals with the brain it's thought that we can just "think happy thoughts" and it all goes away. As someone who has suffered from three mental breakdowns, that's not the case!

I don't think the media did anything wrong. After all, it didn't sway the jury, so honestly, doesn't really matter, does it? The media will do what it's done for years. And honestly, I don't care for Nancy Grace, but I knew if she could take a brick, she would stone Casey Anthony if she could. That woman was mortally outraged by all this just from the maternal aspect alone.

Chaeya

What I think-
I think the court case was a beautiful thing to watch.
Both councils were excelent. One inexperienced and one very experienced.
The judge was absolutly perfect. He maintained control of the
court room and everyone inside. No one was allowed to get out of hand
especially that dumb ass that showed his middle finger. Everyone should loosen their shorts a little cause there are murder cases being held all
over this country even as we type and with many different outcomes.
Don't get so attached because this one made the TV.

You complain about things in this country not working the way they are sapposed to all the time. Finally the judicial system works exactly the
way it was designed to and everyone is bitchin.

FACE IT there wasn't enough factual evidence. There was reasonable doubt. Everyone in the family except Lee was a liar and it probably was exactly what Baez said it was, an accident that snowballed out of
control in the middle of a bunch of liars. Nothing is fair in life.
Get past it. Rejoice in a court system that worked correctly.
Let GOD figure the rest out.[/b]

OJ wasn't guilty either. Just another example of the media keeping us from knowing what the other hand in government was doing. Ever notice all the crap that gets passed while we are distracted by this sensationalist journalism?

While Weiner was headlines, the regime passed laws behind our backs that took more of our freedom. Every time the media blasts us with the same crap every night, the other hand is up to something that they don't want to see the light of day. The news media is only a propaganda smoke screen for the scoundrels and anarchists taking away our individual liberty.

I wonder what was passed while the news media distracted us with this crap? People kill people every day. Grandparents, parents, kids.... they don't make headlines and tie up hours of the nightly "pretend news".

phil, she was declared indigent so the State is paying for everything.[/b]

Guilty as hell IMO.
May she find forgiveness in eternity.

KLUGMO wrote:What I think-
I think the court case was a beautiful thing to watch.
Both councils were excelent. One inexperienced and one very experienced.
The judge was absolutly perfect. He maintained control of the
court room and everyone inside. No one was allowed to get out of hand
especially that dumb ass that showed his middle finger. Everyone should loosen their shorts a little cause there are murder cases being held all
over this country even as we type and with many different outcomes.
Don't get so attached because this one made the TV.

You complain about things in this country not working the way they are sapposed to all the time. Finally the judicial system works exactly the
way it was designed to and everyone is bitchin.

FACE IT there wasn't enough factual evidence. There was reasonable doubt. Everyone in the family except Lee was a liar and it probably was exactly what Baez said it was, an accident that snowballed out of
control in the middle of a bunch of liars. Nothing is fair in life.
Get past it. Rejoice in a court system that worked correctly.
Let GOD figure the rest out.[/b]

Klugmo... with all due respect, have you ever been on the other side of that court process, as a defendant or plaintiff? I have... and I can tell you that what you described as a 'perfect court process' is nothing more than a damn Dog & Pony show. Seriously, Its the biggest piece of bull-shit that has ever been fed to American citizens since the McCarthy era.

"Justice for all" is a joke. In America the ONLY justice is actually served "for" those who are endowed with the most money, and have some attribute that makes them look sexy in the big circus act. It's a clown show, dude!. That guy that threw the middle finger... He saw what I'm saying here.

All I know is this... Both the Lawyers and the Judge got paid richly for their time on this case... Neither side really gives a sh*t who wins and who loses (Except where it would bear a direct reflection of mal-practice) . Be assured, Lawyers and judges are nothing more than glorified clerks, with a knack to understand the loopholes of copious legislation and subsequent practices/exploitation of that legislation. As far as I am concerned, they bring NOTHING of value to the community. As you might gather I hold a vitriolic contempt and hatred toward lawyers and judges. You can be assured, I have NO RESPECT for our current legal system or the people running it. And If I could fund a military, I would embark on a mission to exterminate them all.