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Have you ever sang at a kareoke bar?

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#149350 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:05 pm
Was hanging out with Paper Dog in El Paso at a place called "Erin's Kitchen". Didn't see any food service, but they were packed anyway. It's a Wed-Sun Kareoke bar!?


Isn't is a damn shame that there aren't as many live venues as there are Kareoke bars? Do you know why?

It seems that people would rather sing, than go watch someone else sing these days.

Why do you think that is?

Is it too expensive to go hear a live band? Guitars and drums too loud to talk with your date? Too much of a risk for paying to hear bad music? Too many losers hanging out in rock bars? Is everyone trying to be American Idol?

The future of kareoke bars is dim if no one makes new music worth singing, eh???


:wink:
#149353 by PaperDog
Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:07 pm
yod wrote:Was hanging out with Paper Dog in El Paso at a place called "Erin's Kitchen". Didn't see any food service, but they were packed anyway. It's a Wed-Sun Kareoke bar!?


Isn't is a damn shame that there aren't as many live venues as there are Kareoke bars? Do you know why?

It seems that people would rather sing, than go watch someone else sing these days.

Why do you think that is?

Is it too expensive to go hear a live band? Guitars and drums too loud to talk with your date? Too much of a risk for paying to hear bad music? Too many losers hanging out in rock bars? Is everyone trying to be American Idol?

The future of kareoke bars is dim if no one makes new music worth singing, eh???


:wink:


Good Question Ted.

BTW Erins' Pub (not Kitchen) . Benny (Owner of Erin's) claims to serve food, (if you count frozen taquitos and a microwave as a kitchen).

re Karaoke:

My opinion, I think Karaoke is an outlet for the majority population of people, who can appreciate ballads, and love songs, and who have no real skill or experience as bonafide musicians. Sort of a surrogate substitute of performance opportunity.. They have enough courage to stand up and give their favorite songs a good ol college try. And they really do have fun with it. (Its one of the venues that doesn't crucify you for singing badly) I think its a wholesome outlet for many of the young and old non-professionals, and it does seem to bring a lot of joy.

There are some folks, who uses karaoke to practice singing and performance techniques. To that end we see contests every so often, with real cash prizes.

I my self can't really get into karaoke... I did sing "Last dance with Mary Jane" once... Did it, pretending to be Mick Jagger singing it...and I got lots of applause... (Most likely for my goofy comedy) .

I really don't think karaoke does a pass interference with live acts. Here's why:

1) We are in an era, where most audiences are now less concerned with meaningful performance, and more concerned with immediate rush & thrill. In fact, I suspect that such audiences increasingly feel disconnected to live acts during routine stress-relieving nights of partying. Live musicians are viewed somewhat as a 'tool' of amusement in such circumstances, and probably not taken so seriously. Its really all about the hi decibel and the dog and pony show now... Karaoke doesn't compete with that..thus has no real bearing

2) Cell Phones, IPods, Androids... FAR FETCHED..BUT....This will sound wacky but it is food for thought. Most live acts are pretty loud, and by design, they work hard to get your attention... I would submit that Live acts are competing with communication channels. As such acts command full attention, some of our unsophisticated and immature audience members feel uneasy about "missing that text or phone call from the chick they asked to meet up with them..." It could boil down to desperate, lonely people, feeling locked out of social opportunities (gettin laid) from the distraction of focus on a live act.

3) Most bars don't let you smoke anymore, depending on what state you live in. I have avoided live shows, not becuase I wanted to avoid the acts...but because I could not smoke...Therefore I went to other bars, venues etc where i could smoke.. Keeping in mind, I come from the era where a feller could fire up his ciggies, guzzle his pitcher and watch Dallas kick everybody's Ass in the NFL..Then Celebrate with good honky-tonk bands that played. Those days are gone in a certain way.

SO really Ted, What I'm saying here is that the decrease of audience membership has mostly to do with Professional Sports going Free Agent around the 80's ;)

#149355 by KLUGMO
Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:28 pm
You may have it backwards. The future of Live local venues is dim
if the future can create a star out of any thug or airhead. Think about it,
in the future you will be able to go to a venue and for a few hours YOU
can be the star and you wont have to pay a $5 cover to watch someone
else be a star. I believe the future of KARAOKE is bright and will become the trend. The karaoke bar will become more high tech with more effects
for vocals and lights and karaoke contests in the future will be large events
that will create stars locally and Nationaly.

American Idol is basicly a Karaoke contest. The smart money will capitalize
on this trend and franchise Karaoke experiences and offer a service that venues can hire and supply customers with a wonderful exciting and
unforgetable experience displaying their singing talents in a professional
setting.

I know this is not what anybody here wants to hear or read but I
believe it is true. It is logical. This site is full of people who want to do
what they do for money in front of other people. Future Karaoke will let you do this.


jmho[/b]

#149356 by MikeTalbot
Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:41 pm
I wonder if karoke is how Americans make up for not singing in pubs. The Brits are singing by the second beer.

Karoke in Japan may well be incomprehensible.

Talbot

#149357 by PaperDog
Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:45 am
KLUGMO wrote:You may have it backwards. The future of Live local venues is dim
if the future can create a star out of any thug or airhead. Think about it,
in the future you will be able to go to a venue and for a few hours YOU
can be the star and you wont have to pay a $5 cover to watch someone
else be a star. I believe the future of KARAOKE is bright and will become the trend. The karaoke bar will become more high tech with more effects
for vocals and lights and karaoke contests in the future will be large events
that will create stars locally and Nationaly.

American Idol is basicly a Karaoke contest. The smart money will capitalize
on this trend and franchise Karaoke experiences and offer a service that venues can hire and supply customers with a wonderful exciting and
unforgetable experience displaying their singing talents in a professional
setting.

I know this is not what anybody here wants to hear or read but I
believe it is true. It is logical. This site is full of people who want to do
what they do for money in front of other people. Future Karaoke will let you do this.


jmho[/b]


Well then... to get around this, all we have to do is record our own work, then lip sync it at live shows... :shock:

Actually, You described the future of karaoke quite well, but I do not believe it will replace live acts. Separate beasts really. I recall the first Bob Dylan concert I attended... It sure wasn't cause of his American Idol voice ;). I went to see him because his stuff resonated with me enough that I was willing to pay and see him live. More importantly , I didn't have to kill my self to get close up...

I love Paul McCartney's music, but there is no way in hell I will pay $500.00 bucks to see him perform......Partly, because 500.00 bucks only gets you the cheap seats in the back, and I can't see fighting a zillion people to grab a glimpse of a guy that is too far away to see in detail. In fact Big concerts are such a physical hazard sometimes, it might actually dissuade audiences.

Finally, most contemporary listeners of modern music have become accustom to consonance... Don't you find it odd that most yokers don't do songs like "Welcome to the Jungle"... (tho I did see it happen once and it was a great rendition.)

Basically, karaoke is the new black-box technology that can be plugged in for , as you say, a few moments of fame, without all the production costs. But it does not, cannot replace live act music... Case in point... Google Morris Day and the Time "Jungle Love"... That sh*t rocks! I'm trying to learn the moves they use on that one, just because its so over the top... You CAN"T beat that kind of entertainment...with karaoke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFl_QKkL ... re=related
:D

#149360 by april88
Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:27 am
I sing karaoke all the time! Me and my friend LOVE singing. She's a lot more comfortable with it on stage than I am, but she is a bartender and naturally outgoing. I'm more shy but love singing so much. I know I'm nowhere near great, but I use it to practice since I'm not in choir anymore or in a band. I would love my own studio, but have to accomplish other financial goals before I can even think about buying equipment.

#149361 by gbheil
Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:20 am
I don't sing ...

#149365 by Cajundaddy
Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:10 am
Ebb and flow.
In the 60s -70s live music could be found everywhere. Suddenly in the late 70s everything went disco overnight. In the 80s we had new wave, girl bands, and hair bands bringing a testosterone-fest at 130 db and people went deaf. The 90s brought Grunge, acoustic and Emo to clubs and coffee houses and live music surges. In 00s there was desire for classic rock nostalgia and live music surged everywhere again.

In the last few years many clubs have been faced with difficult choices to keep the doors open. Karaoke will keep the seats filled and the bar busy for less $$ than a decent live band. We are in a live music lull right now for economic reasons but another wave will surely rise again. Who will lead the next revolution?

#149366 by PaperDog
Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:16 am
TheJohnny7Band wrote:Ebb and flow.
In the 60s -70s live music could be found everywhere. Suddenly in the late 70s everything went disco overnight. In the 80s we had new wave, girl bands, and hair bands bringing a testosterone-fest at 130 db and people went deaf. The 90s brought Grunge, acoustic and Emo to clubs and coffee houses and live music surges. In 00s there was desire for classic rock nostalgia and live music surged everywhere again.

In the last few years many clubs have been faced with difficult choices to keep the doors open. Karaoke will keep the seats filled and the bar busy for less $$ than a decent live band. We are in a live music lull right now for economic reasons but another wave will surely rise again. Who will lead the next revolution?



The new revolution will be led by the artists who present the most honesty.

#149371 by gbheil
Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:17 pm
The next great evolution in music will come from we, the independent musicians with entrepreneurial spirit.
There was a thread not too long ago about "why would someone invest in you "

The real question is how much are we willing to invest in ourselves ?

The old way of scratching around on a piece of ground in your home town. Waiting for someone or something to show you the way, is DEAD.

Consider fully and act decisively.
This will be the way of the new music warrior.

#149374 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:56 pm
No doubt, live music will survive or they will have no kareoke to sing. I do agree that nothing can replace a GOOD live band, but this kareoke craze is making less venues available for the up-and-coming rookie and journeyman bands to hone their wares.

I remember as a youngster wondering if rock would survive the disco craze, since people didn't need a band to fill a dance hall anymore. Then rock bands began conforming to the need for dance by writing songs with a constant danceable beat. KISS even tried to go disco (I Was Made For Loving You Baby) and it killed them until a recent resurgence for nostalgia.

How would bands acknowledge the kareoke craze? Will they start bringing up people from the audience to sing?

#149375 by Prevost82
Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:41 pm
yod wrote:How would bands acknowledge the kareoke craze? Will they start bringing up people from the audience to sing?


Bin there done that ... for a year .. a band I played in did just that. We'd pick 3 of the best kareoke singers each month and learn 6 songs for each singer. Have a rehearsal each week to prepare them for the stage and to sing with a band.

There is a huge difference between singing with a band and singing with a bouncing ball on a moniter. Out of the 36 singers there were maybe only 6 that really could pull it off ... there were alot of train wreaks from the singers ... that the band had to plow through.

We have never done it again

#149376 by PaperDog
Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:08 pm
Prevost82 wrote:
yod wrote:How would bands acknowledge the kareoke craze? Will they start bringing up people from the audience to sing?


Bin there done that ... for a year .. a band I played in did just that. We'd pick 3 of the best kareoke singers each month and learn 6 songs for each singer. Have a rehearsal each week to prepare them for the stage and to sing with a band.

There is a huge difference between singing with a band and singing with a bouncing ball on a moniter. Out of the 36 singers there were maybe only 6 that really could pull it off ... there were alot of train wreaks from the singers ... that the band had to plow through.

We have never done it again


Its like Jimmy Durantee once said: "Everybody wants to get into the act"

I'm wondering if your participants shared similar venues. Or did you find yourself covering a broad variety, in order to support them? (i.e. soft to hard metal, etc)

#149405 by Cajundaddy
Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:57 am
Yep, for a while we would invite people to come up and sing with us during the 4th set just for fun. Major derailments, mics damaged, fights over who gets to sing next. We ummm... just don't do that anymore unless we know and trust our sit in singer.

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