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Poets? Song Writers? What Are They?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:31 pm
by KLUGMO
Songwriters and Poets
Every time I tried to tell you,
The words just came out wrong.
So I had to say I love you
In a song
Jim Croce


Those involved in creatively making pop and rock music can be divided into a number of categories. There are the classical bands, whose members (or some of them at least) generally write their own songs, record and perform them – bands like the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, REM, U2, Coldplay, etc. There are bands, often put together for commercial purposes, who don’t produce original material and often don’t have much to do with playing it either, a lot of boy and girl groups for example, like New Kids on the Block or The Spice Girls. There are also many solo artists who fall more or less into this category, like Brittney Spears or Justin Timberlake. These need the support of professional songwriters, session musicians and – above all – producers. Producers can indeed be seen as an almost separate category and some of them are of legendary genius; like Phil Spector, George Martin, Brian Eno, Alan Parsons or Quincy Jones.



Alanis Morissette
And then there are the singer-songwriters, in many ways a crossover group into modern music from a much more ancient tradition, the bards and the minstrels. The Germans have a lovely term for them; Liedermacher, songmakers. They are the original man or woman with a guitar (or often a piano – though pianos have the disadvantage of not being particularly portable), the successors of the men with a lute or harp. There’s something pure and honest about them, their whole art being predicated on their original individual ability to create a song and personally reach out to enthral and delight others with their performance of it. Firmly rooted as they are today (well, most of them anyway) within popular music, they form an unbroken tradition going back to Orpheus and Oisín, Homer and David. And what a roll of honour they present to us in the past fifty years!; Billy Joel and Sheryl Crow, John Denver and Joan Armatrading, Donovan and Melissa Etheridge, Don McLean and Kate Bush, Gilbert O’Sullivan and Enya and Elton John. A disproportionate number of the very best are, for some reason, Canadian (and I would be very grateful if anyone could offer a good explanation for this phenomenon); Avril Lavigne, Gordon Lightfoot, Bryan Adams, k.d. lang, Neil Young, Alanis Morissette.


Ah, but you are certainly thinking, he has left most of the very greatest out! This is because, in my opinion, there is only a small group of true royalty among the musical aristocracy of singer-songwriters who can also be truly regarded as poets.


Spontaneously one might tend to regard every songwriter as a poet, yet good poetry and songs do not necessarily go easily together. Of course, at a very basic level, the lyrics of every song are a kind of poetry, dependent as they generally are on very strict adherence to rhythm and, usually, rhyme. But the poetic possibilities of songs are limited by the very form of the song itself and the poetry becomes just one element among many in the synergy of factors which makes a song “work.” This is even more the case in modern pop or rock where the character of the performers, the interplay of the instruments and all the digital possibilities of the sound-studio come into play – not to mention issues like video or the theatrical planning and execution of live shows. And sometimes, working too hard on the poetic possibilities of a text is just pretentious and silly. Consider


Sweet Loretta modern thought she was a woman,
But she was another man.
All the girls around her say she’s got it comin’
But she gets it while she can.
Get back, get back, get back to where you once belonged;
Get back, get back, get back to where you started from.”


It’s stupid, pretty devoid of any deeper sense and certainly not the most poetic of Lennon and McCartney’s efforts. But it’s not important because, in the whole musical context of the song, it does its job. (As an aside, Lennon – the better poet of the two – jokingly suggested the alternative, “Sweet Loretta modern thought she was a woman, but she was a frying pan.”)


But the greatest of the singer-songwriters are possessed of the genius to be able to marry good poetry with arresting images and language, metaphors and expressions which pull you up, leave you amazed, wondering, awestruck, wanting to weep, with the music so that the whole becomes something very special indeed.


Looking at a few of these true creative giants, I suppose you have to start with Dylan. The only problem with His Bobness is that some may regard it as a little charitable to describe him as a singer-songwriter, since his singing prowess is … limited (I’ve written on this before here). But as to his poetic qualities – when he is at his best – there can be no doubt. Out of dozens of songs which I could take to illustrate that, let’s just revel in one verse of Mr. Tambourine Man – though if you really want a good jingle jangle version of the song, listen to the cover by The Byrds


Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way
I promise to go under it.

Hey ! Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey ! Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.


The next musical poet I want to take a glance at is Paul Simon. Simon has a beautiful sense for language and themes and a genius for mixing them with an unerring sense of melody and subtle and refined musical arrangements. One could take half a dozen examples from his time with Art Garfunkel – I am a Rock immediately comes to mind – but the opening line of his solo hit Graceland stands alone as sufficient witness to great poetic skill


The Mississippi Delta was shining like a national guitar …


These nine words have so many resonances they just leave you dizzy.



Suzanne Vega
Although she’s not as famous as the others I’m looking at here, Suzanne Vega is one of my favourites. She too is a poet-singer-songwriter with a great feeling for themes and the language and music to give them deep expression. Luka is a heart-wrenching treatment of the theme of child-battering and the wonderful voyeur image of the woman hitching up her skirt to straighten her stockings in Tom’s Diner gives the picture-poem a realistic immediacy which is unsurpassed. As a small example of her poetic prowess I’ve chosen an extract from one of her less well-known songs, playing with an arresting image which leaves you savouring it for a long time afterwards


Today I am
A small blue thing
Like a marble
Or an eye



With my knees against my mouth
I am perfectly round
I am watching you



I am cold against your skin
You are perfectly reflected
I am lost inside your pocket
I am lost against
Your fingers


But at the summit of this musical Olympus, playing the roles of Hera and Zeus are – inevitably perhaps – two more Canadians, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen.


Joni’s music is exciting, challenging and, for someone who sings and plays a modest bit of guitar himself, often quite difficult to cover. This is because, like every singer-songwriter, Mitchell writes primarily for herself and her own voice and style and her music, with various influences, is multi-layered. She is also renowned for using numerous strange open tunings on her guitar, a phenomenon she herself calls “Joni’s weird chords.” But she has also written beautiful more accessible songs and Both Sides, Now belongs for me to that select number of songs the singing of which have helped me win a way to a girl’s heart. The example I’ve chosen here is an excerpt from Chelsea Morning, a sensuous celebration of spontaneous unworried love


Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, and
the first thing that I knew
There was milk and toast and honey
and a bowl of oranges, too
And the sun poured in like butterscotch
and stuck to all my senses
Oh, won't you stay
We'll put on the day
And we'll talk in present tenses

When the curtain closes and the rainbow runs away
I will bring you incense owls by night
By candlelight
By jewel-light
If only you will stay
Pretty baby, won't you
Wake up, it's a Chelsea morning


And the greatest of them all, at least for me, is Leonard Cohen. He’s been back on the road for the past couple of years and his concerts are reported to be something very special. Cohen has always been a poet and writer, as well as a songwriter and performer. It’s over thirty years since I came across his novel Beautiful Losers in a second-hand bookshop and I remember being deeply impressed at the beauty of his literary style. But even before that I had been deeply impressed by his music.



Leonard Cohen
I started teaching myself guitar at the age of sixteen and some of Cohen’s songs were among the earliest I attempted. They were good, not too difficult to play – rudimentarily at least – and offered the additional hopeful prospect (never far from the male 16-year-old mind) of helping win the way to girls’ hearts – and other interesting parts of their anatomies. What I did not know then – how could I? – is that while it’s quite easy to play and sing Cohen, it is another matter to play and sing Cohen well, not because the songs are so musically difficult in themselves (they aren’t) but because the depth and beauty of his songs demand respect, practice, hard work and a certain degree of self-knowledge and honesty to begin to interpret them adequately. You’ve had to have some experience of love, and women, and the world before you can even begin to understand what songs like So long, Marianne, Hey, that’s no Way to say Goodbye, or Suzanne are really about.


Some can write and sing beautifully and frankly about sex (arguably Cohen’s most famous musical description is that of his affair with Janis Joplin in Chelsea Hotel: “You were talking so brave and so sweet, giving me head on the unmade bed, while the limousines wait in the street.”) Some can write beautifully and frankly about God. Only Cohen can do both in three short lines (maybe you have to be Jewish to be able to do this!)


And remember when I moved in you
The holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah


Hallelujah is an amazing song, written by Cohen in the 80s, long after he had composed most of his other classics, and at the foot of this post I’m putting a sublime live cover of it by k.d. lang. I have one friend who never tires of quoting


There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah


And there’s depth enough of meaning in that to meditate on for quite a while.


But I’ll finish this with the last verse of Suzanne, another marvellous word-picture in a song-poem full of beautiful images. They don’t get better than this


Now Suzanne takes your hand
And she leads you to the river
She is wearing rags and feathers
From Salvation Army counters
And the sun pours down like honey
On our lady of the harbour
And she shows you where to look
Among the garbage and the flowers
There are heroes in the seaweed
There are children in the morning
They are leaning out for love
And they will lean that way forever
While Suzanne holds the mirror
And you want to travel with her
And you want to travel blind
And you know that you can trust her
For she's touched your perfect body with her mind.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:19 pm
by jimmydanger
I always enjoy the poetry/lyrics of Dan Fogelberg:

Ghosts

Sometimes in the night I feel it
Near as my next breath and yet, untouchable
Silently the past comes stealing
Like the taste of some forbidden sweet.
Along the walls; in shadowed rafters
Moving like a thought through haunted atmospheres
Muted cries and echoed laughter
Banished dreams that never sank in sleep.
Lost in love and
Found in reason
Questions that the mind can find no answers for
Ghostly eyes
Conspire treason
As they gather just outside the door....
Every ghost that calls upon us
Brings another measure in the mystery
Death is there
To keep us honest
And constantly remind us we are free.
Down the ancient corridors
And through the gates of time
Run the ghosts of days
That we left behind...

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:33 pm
by Etu Malku

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:53 pm
by jimmydanger
C'mon Etu, you didn't really think Klug could write that well did you? Plus you would have seen his trademark [/B] at the end lol.

Here's the opening stanza from one of my father's poems:

You ask me how to answer
Riddles of the ages
So long ago forgotten
By our fools and sages

Simple, yet elegant. Beautiful meter. The old man could write.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:12 pm
by frantheman
@KLUGMO: You're welcome to quote from my blog posts - I'm not petty about that sort of thing - but I don't think it's asking too much to give me credit for my writing by citing a link :)

I write about all sorts of things on my blog, including music. Come to think of it, I posted an essay about music (which some people might just conceivably find interesting) yesterday ...

http://francishunt.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... strel.html

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:19 pm
by 1collaborator
I found both articles quite excellent ! My daughter a big Dylan fan showed that one to me this morning.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:24 pm
by Hayden King
"PARTS"

by Hayden King on Tuesday, June 9, 2009 at 11:25pm




I am a burning bush of cast away tires
A freedom train of broken spires
The dog of war in a bed of flowers
The first three minutes of the final hour
I am the bark of an empty tree
what would you have me be

A wet cloth even for a dry tear
years and years and years
the question in the baby's eye
the comfort of a fall from high
the roadrunner swift with no flight
the angry beast that cannot bite
these things too are a part of me
what would you have me be

I am only spark
not the flame
I am only a board
not the game
I am now the empty tree
what would you have me be

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:57 pm
by Chaeya
I've been inspired by a number of people, but sometimes together with the right music can also be poetry in itself. The problem is you have to be able to recognize it because you see a lot of people writing vague metaphors, using big words and other indecipherable mumbo jumbo simply because it sounds poetic. Poetry has gotten a bad rap because people think this is what creates poetry and it isn't.

I've always loved Dylan and his raspy, nonsinging voice just makes it work, just as the mumblings of Leonard Cohen makes his work. Which is, I've always enjoyed their simplicity. I recognize Paul Simon also. Anybody who read "On the Road" by Jack Keroac or got into the Beat movement in the 50s and 60s, can fully appreciate these guys.

I like Suzanne Vega because she has this sweet little voice. I appreciate women like her who can sing sweetly like her, Sade because despite popular belief, it's hard to sing like that just as it's hard to belt it out. It takes skill.

In the 80s, I loooooved Depeche Mode, still do. Despite the fact that they're a techno band, they have some pretty good lyrics and I loved the words to their songs and I could relate to them at that time in my life. Their ballad about Love called "Somebody" to me is one of the most beautiful love songs ever written. It captures perfectly a young man wanting a woman to share the rest of his life with, but then gets stoic at the end of this prose and goes: "Those things like this, make me sick, but in the case like this, I'll get away with it." It was so perfect because most kids feel stuff like this is getting all sappy.

Chaeya

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:02 pm
by Slacker G
"Poets? Song Writers? What Are They?"

They are what they write. Some are poets, some write songs, some of each are prophets, some of each are broken hearted, some of each are dreamers, some of each are liars, and some lay open their hearts to ridicule.... or not.

Oh yeah. But what are they really? Anything from inspired and enlightened to brain dead morons. That should about cover it. :)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:56 pm
by KLUGMO
I guess I thought everyone would automaticly know I didn't write that.
I thought it was good info for all.
Powers to be -- SORRY!


But that poem is mine and I didn't give myself credit.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:59 pm
by Hayden King
What difference does it make?
Who cares?

Only those that write it, and those that get it!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:52 pm
by fisherman bob
The real question is: Which is more important? The lyrics or the music?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:54 pm
by Hayden King
fisherman bob wrote:The real question is: Which is more important? The lyrics or the music?


The Music; for most of my life of my favorite 100 songs, I couldn't recite a single complete line of lyrics from a single song. I was brought in by the music. It speaks volumes to me. The lyrics were not necessary for me.

And of course my strong point is now... lyrics :?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:13 pm
by Hayden King
The Artist
by Hayden King on Saturday, August 15, 2009 at 2:56pm


she could only see color in round triangle and oblong
sometimes in spoon or cap
line or pile
never from her eye
her mind discerned what value the color had
oh she saw it as the most beautiful color
be it yellow purple brown or white
to her it was right
the only right
the reason to be and to see
to see her beautiful colors
her world needed no luxuries or even necessities
only her reason to be, or not to be
for her, there was never any question
nor of how to make black
it takes all colors to produce
until they are all reduced
to black
black is the color she yearns for
mixing one color
then another
then another
then another

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:48 am
by gtZip
fisherman bob wrote:The real question is: Which is more important? The lyrics or the music?


Q: Which is more important? The lyrics or the music?
A: Me