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First there is no complete repeal. Second they look at EVERY aspect of the comprehensive bill and keep what is actually beneficial and get rid of what's not. Third they add whatever is necessary to make the complete new bill beneficial for ALL Americans. However with the track record of the federal governement I'm NOT holding my breath.

fisherman bob wrote:First there is no complete repeal. Second they look at EVERY aspect of the comprehensive bill and keep what is actually beneficial and get rid of what's not. Third they add whatever is necessary to make the complete new bill beneficial for ALL Americans. However with the track record of the federal governement I'm NOT holding my breath.

And I'd like a free pony and lollipops!

I'm so sick of the way the system is treating senior citizens. My grandparents have to pay more for medications, and they haven't had an increase in Social Security for years. Everytime that sweet little 84 year old lady calls me to tell me what the scoop is, I just get steamed up as hot as hades.

Mike Nobody wrote:

fisherman bob wrote:First there is no complete repeal. Second they look at EVERY aspect of the comprehensive bill and keep what is actually beneficial and get rid of what's not. Third they add whatever is necessary to make the complete new bill beneficial for ALL Americans. However with the track record of the federal governement I'm NOT holding my breath.

And I'd like a free pony and lollipops!

Free ponies are dangerous, the new healthcare legislation won't cover you if you fall off one, and the lollipops are particularly dangerous, could lead to morbid obesity and diabetes. It's likely that the resulting new legislation won't give you either...

IMO the greatest problem with health care in the US today is greed.

The corporations will not provide enough "budget" for the effective care and management of patients.

There are too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.

Thousands of people earning millions of dollars without ever seeing a patient let alone providing any level of care.

Ancillaries are important, drug companies, durable medical equipment companies ETC. But the compensation received is unjust.

I recently quit a nursing home after I provided a detailed time analysis to the corporation so that they would add two $10.00 / hr positions to my medicaid unit to stop the rash of falls and injuries too the elderly in my care.

I was of course denied any additional staff .
And denied overtime wages for those I had.

All the while the corporation was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on their Medicare wing. New ceramic tile floors, new high tech beds, large flat screen high def televisions mounted on the walls in single occupancy rooms.
While in the same building just on the other side of the double doors was the slum I was in charge of.
Double / triple occupancy rooms of the same dimensions as the singles on the "rich" side. 60 year old rusted beds. Broken air conditioners that kept the old moldy carpet wet. And not enough staff to meet safety needs. Let alone ensure these people got a bath twice a week.
The CEO was a millionaire out of California whom visited the company's facilities all over the US via private Jet.
Hell has a special place for men like that.

First our government made it law that we must buy a product from a private industry (auto insurance) yet included zero restrictions governing that private industry in the law... and now they want us to allow them to do it again?
Who are these laws for, us or the industry?

BTW the insurance industry literally wrote the health care bill. There is no care in that bill. Only profits and control... just like everything else the government pushes down our throats nowadays!

My wife's paychecks have DECREASED by $40/week, cuz of her co's upping the cost of the same insurance she had last year. Other costs are also rising, but she makes LESS, now?

I wish they'd just take ALL insurance out of the hands of private, money-making concerns, & deliver true health CARE to the ppl who need it - you know - the sick & injured among us.

I've got collection agencies calling me for a hospital bill that is less than 2 months old, for which I have yet to see a frikken BILL...mayhaps I missed it, I don't know. The insurance didn't cover as much as I suspected it would, I guess...

I'm a lil pissed about it all, quite frankly. I hung up on the a-hole cuz I didn't like his tone. If ya can't speak to me in a civil tone, eff ya!

Hayden King wrote:First our government made it law that we must buy a product from a private industry (auto insurance) yet included zero restrictions governing that private industry in the law... and now they want us to allow them to do it again?
Who are these laws for, us or the industry?

BTW the insurance industry literally wrote the health care bill. There is no care in that bill. Only profits and control... just like everything else the government pushes down our throats nowadays!

Damn straight! I get a chuckle from teabaggers who whine "Obama is a soicialist! Obama is a soicialist! Obama is a soicialist!" No he's not. He's bought and paid for like nearly all politicians, a corporate puppet. There's the REAL scandal. There is a name for governments run by corporations, "fascist."

as a connoisseur of dualism as you say Mike, I'd think our current president would make a lovely case study...

philbymon wrote:My wife's paychecks have DECREASED by $40/week, cuz of her co's upping the cost of the same insurance she had last year. Other costs are also rising, but she makes LESS, now?

I wish they'd just take ALL insurance out of the hands of private, money-making concerns, & deliver true health CARE to the ppl who need it - you know - the sick & injured among us.

I've got collection agencies calling me for a hospital bill that is less than 2 months old, for which I have yet to see a frikken BILL...mayhaps I missed it, I don't know. The insurance didn't cover as much as I suspected it would, I guess...

I'm a lil pissed about it all, quite frankly. I hung up on the a-hole cuz I didn't like his tone. If ya can't speak to me in a civil tone, eff ya!

What I would have to pay for health insurance from my employer for one month will pay my average medical bills for three years.

exactly

If you invested the money instead of buying insurance you would not only have money for emergencies, but in the event you don't have any, you'll have aaaaaaall o that money... instead of "them" having it to do the same thing with

fisherman bob wrote:

Mike Nobody wrote:

fisherman bob wrote:First there is no complete repeal. Second they look at EVERY aspect of the comprehensive bill and keep what is actually beneficial and get rid of what's not. Third they add whatever is necessary to make the complete new bill beneficial for ALL Americans. However with the track record of the federal governement I'm NOT holding my breath.

And I'd like a free pony and lollipops!

Free ponies are dangerous, the new healthcare legislation won't cover you if you fall off one, and the lollipops are particularly dangerous, could lead to morbid obesity and diabetes. It's likely that the resulting new legislation won't give you either...

forget diabetes, first i gotta survive walking around with a stick poking out of my mouth all day. I trip, it's all over, that thing's going through my brain.

Hayden King wrote:exactly

If you invested the money instead of buying insurance you would not only have money for emergencies, but in the event you don't have any, you'll have aaaaaaall o that money... instead of "them" having it to do the same thing with

"if you add water to a can o instant bullshit, does a politician pop up"

Hayden King wrote:

Hayden King wrote:exactly

If you invested the money instead of buying insurance you would not only have money for emergencies, but in the event you don't have any, you'll have aaaaaaall o that money... instead of "them" having it to do the same thing with

"if you add water to a can o instant bullshit, does a politician pop up"

Mike I think more than fascist we are in a Oligarchy.

oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkhía) (oligocracy) is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, military might, or religious hegemony.