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The Painful Things We Learn

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:06 am
by Krul
I just found out that LedZeppelin did not write Dazed and Confused. It was Jake Holmes. The guys who did the documentary for American Hardcore are doing a documentary called Lost Rockers. Their website proved the truth. The cat will be out of the bag for many more when the film comes out.

www.lostrockers.com

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:53 am
by dizzizz
I been listening to holmes's version for years.


Check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUdnTKlP1E

Re: The Painful Things We Learn

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:58 am
by Mike Nobody
Kruliosis wrote:I just found out that LedZeppelin did not write Dazed and Confused. It was Jake Holmes. The guys who did the documentary for American Hardcore are doing a documentary called Lost Rockers. Their website proved the truth. The cat will be out of the bag for many more when the film comes out.

www.lostrockers.com


"The Lemon Song" is a song by English rock band Led Zeppelin, featured on their 1969 album Led Zeppelin II. It was recorded at Mystic Studios in Hollywood when the band was on their second concert tour of the United States.
"The Lemon Song" is laced with sexual innuendo, and features some of Led Zeppelin's most blues-influenced playing. It was recorded virtually live in the studio, and no electronic devices were used to create the echo on Robert Plant's vocal. It was made solely by Plant's voice and the acoustics in Mystic Studios, which was a 16 x 16 foot room with wooden walls.
Another notable aspect of this song is John Paul Jones' complex bass performance, which is heavily funk influenced. During interviews afterwards, he said that he had improvised during the entire song.
"The Lemon Song" was performed live on Led Zeppelin's first three concert tours of the United States (on the first tour as "Killing Floor"), before being dropped from their live set in late 1969. However, the 'squeeze my lemon' sequence continued to be inserted into the "Whole Lotta Love" medley and ad-libbed elsewhere.
The song borrows from Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor", which was a song Led Zeppelin often incorporated into their live setlist during their first concert tour of the United States. For the second and third North American tours the song evolved into "The Lemon Song", with Plant often improvising lyrics onstage.
Other lyrics, notably "squeeze (my lemon) 'til the juice runs down my leg," can be traced to Robert Johnson's "Travelling Riverside Blues". It is most likely that Johnson borrowed this himself, from a song recorded in the same year (1937) called "She Squeezed My Lemon" (by Arthur McKay). The song also borrowed from Albert King's "Cross-Cut Saw".
In December 1972, Arc Music, owner of the publishing rights to Howlin' Wolf's songs, sued Led Zeppelin for copyright infringement on "The Lemon Song." The parties settled out of court. Interestingly, Wolf sued Arc Music less than two years later for failing to pass on his royalty cheque. Though the amount was not disclosed, Wolf received a check for $45,123 from Arc Music immediately following the suit.
Jimmy Page performed this song on his tour with The Black Crowes in 1999. A version of "The Lemon Song" performed by Page and The Black Crowes can be found on the album Live at the Greek.

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:24 pm
by Stringdancer
Here Kru have some fun with these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQ ... re=related.

Note: The riff in Bobby Parker's "Watch your step" was used by The Allmond brothers band "No way out" as well.

It's a doggy, doggy musical world out there.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:54 am
by Krul
Whoa, they stole Babe I'm Gonna Leave You too!? I knew about the Howlin' Wolf story, which was actually Mud's writing. But damn, here I was thinking that Led Zep were these song writing genuises! It's too good to be true. Heck, Hendrix at least admits to what he took, I think.

This gives me more incentive, than ever, to always copyright a song before I spill it out. Somebody well known might decide to zap it.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:35 am
by gtZip
Rolling Stones did the same crap.
I don't have much love for them.

I like Led Zep but they did a better job witht their stealing.

The Beatles own.
They did remakes earrrly in their recording career, then it was off to the races.
I don't think they ever tried to pass something of as their own that wasn't.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:10 pm
by dizzizz
gtZip wrote:Rolling Stones did the same crap.
I don't have much love for them.

I like Led Zep but they did a better job witht their stealing.

The Beatles own.
They did remakes earrrly in their recording career, then it was off to the races.
I don't think they ever tried to pass something of as their own that wasn't.


They went to great lengths not to, actually.

When the melody for "Yesterday" first popped into Paul McCartney's head, he went around playing it for everyone he met to find out if they could place it, to make sure he wasn't accidentally stealing.

As to their remakes, they always insisted it was the record label's choice, not theirs.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:05 pm
by gbheil
I suppose you can call the use of common phrase "stealing".
But that is the history of Rock N Roll.
Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.

Every word or combination of words in the English language has been used by someone else.
And all the common themes that run through music of all genre' are "rehashed"

Every note, every chord.

Be a lot easier to just enjoy the music ... would it not ??

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:32 pm
by dizzizz
sanshouheil wrote:Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.


saying that'll get you shot in cleveland.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:06 pm
by gbheil
dizzizz wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.


saying that'll get you shot in cleveland.



:lol: Being from cleveland will get you shot in Texas.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:15 pm
by Mike Nobody
sanshouheil wrote:
dizzizz wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.


saying that'll get you shot in cleveland.



:lol: Being from cleveland will get you shot in Texas.


Being IN TEXAS will get you shot! :shock:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:55 am
by Scratchy
Mike Nobody wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:
dizzizz wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.


saying that'll get you shot in cleveland.



:lol: Being from cleveland will get you shot in Texas.


Being IN TEXAS will get you shot! :shock:


Being in Arizona can get you shot!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:04 am
by Mike Nobody
Scratchy wrote:
Mike Nobody wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:
dizzizz wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Even the term Rock N Roll was stolen.


saying that'll get you shot in cleveland.



:lol: Being from cleveland will get you shot in Texas.


Being IN TEXAS will get you shot! :shock:


Being in Arizona can get you shot!


People just "disappear" in Detroit, never to be heard from again.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:50 am
by Krul
You'll be protested in California. :lol:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:38 am
by Krul
Funny how Nirvana intentionally became famous by ripping off Louie Louie. It was a prank that worked, and also broke down Cobain.