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When Will Americans Get Indignant?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:23 am
by Mike Nobody
Published on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 by Focal Points Blog (Foreign Policy in Focus)
Indignez-vous! (When Will Americans Get Indignant?)
What Would It Take for Americans to React Like "Gaza Youth Breaks Out"?


by Russ Wellen
"F**k Hamas. F**k Israel. F**k Fatah. F**k UN. F**k UNWRA. F**k USA! We, the youth in Gaza, are so fed up with Israel, Hamas, the occupation, the violations of human rights and the indifference of the international community!" Thus begins the Gaza Youth's Manifesto for Change, as posted on Gaza Youth Breaks Out Facebook page, which over 8,000 Facebook users "like." As the Guardian reports, the document details "the daily humiliations and frustrations that constitute everyday life in the Gaza Strip."

Equal-opportunity dissidents, the members of Gaza Youth Breaks Out are almost as outraged by the heavy hand of Hamas as by Israeli oppression.

We barely survived the Operation Cast Lead. . . . During the last years, Hamas has been doing all they can to control our thoughts, behaviour and aspirations. Here in Gaza we are scared of being incarcerated, interrogated, hit, tortured, bombed, killed. We cannot move as we want, say what we want, do what we want.

Recent months have seen the emergence of another unlikely source of outrage: 93-year-old former French Resistance fighter and Buchenwald survivor Stéphane Hessel. His slim volume -- actually a long essay -- Indignez-vous! (Get indignant!) has spent two months atop French bestseller lists. Another Guardian article reports:

Hessel's book argues that French people should re-embrace the values of the French resistance, which have been lost, which was driven by indignation, and French people need to get outraged again.

Among his personal hot-button issues:

. . . the growing gap between the very rich and the very poor, France's shocking treatment of its illegal immigrants, the need to re-establish a free press, protecting the environment, the plight of Palestinians and the importance of protecting the French welfare system.

It's easy to lament how sad it is that Western public needs to be told to become indignant. But one might look at someone in Hessel's position -- not exactly the French Michael Moore, he once served as his country's ambassador to the United Nations -- as providing the populace with the permission it subconsciously feels it needs to express outrage.

Allow me to qualify that by explaining that the disinclination of 90% of the population to refrain from rebellion does not make them sheep. They may just be hard-wired to support the society and government into which they're born. In his version of the the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, nutritionist and renaissance man Gary Null called them "adaptive-supportives." That's not so bad, is it? (For more, see my January 2010 piece for Scholars & Rogues Is apathy socially redeeming?)

But do Westerners, Americans especially, and not just youth, but adults, need to be reduced to straits as dire as the Palestinians in Gaza before they react as Gaza Youth Speak Out did?

One-time neocon Francis Fukuyama, the celebrated political economist who has since turned his attention to the subject of wealth inequality, wrestles with why Americans endure what we do without fighting back in the January-February issue of the American Interest. Note that, in the passage that follows, when he refers to the left he means moderates such as Obama supporters, not true progressives. Here is, to Fukuyama, the "paramount puzzle."

Why has a significant increase in income inequality in recent decades failed to generate political pressure from the left for redistributional redress, as similar trends did in earlier times? Instead, insofar as there is any populism bubbling from below in America today it comes from the Right, and its target is not just the "undeserving rich"-Wall Street "flip-it" shysters and their ilk-but, even more so, government policies intended to protect Americans from their predations. . . . Within a year of Barack Obama's inauguration, the most energized and angry people on the American political scene were not the homeowners with subprime mortgages who faced foreclosure as a result of the crisis, but rather those who faulted the government for taking steps to protect those homeowners, and to prevent the crisis from deepening. It was a strange phenomenon that saw many of those most deeply injured by the crisis become, in effect, objective allies of those who caused it.

This, then, is the contemporary context in which we raise the question of plutocracy in America: Why, given the economic history of the past thirty years, have we not seen the emergence of a powerful left-wing political movement seeking fairer distribution of growth? [Operative word: powerful. -- RW] . . . How can it be that large numbers of congressional Democrats and arguably the most socially liberal President in American history are now seriously considering extending, and even making permanent, the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003? Is this not prima facie evidence of plutocracy?

In an outstanding article at Huffington Post titled The Poorhouse: Aunt Winnie, Glenn Beck, And The Politics Of The New Deal, Arthur Delaney and Ryan Grim provide a clue. (Emphasis added.)

[President Franklin] Roosevelt came into office a deficit hawk, pushed to balance the budget and cut federal worker pay. He quickly realized his error and turned around. He had the room to maneuver, however, because poverty had become so widespread that it lost its stigma. It could finally be addressed with a level head rather than a wag of the finger.

Before then, however, the nation was just prosperous enough for those with a little to look down upon those with less.

In other words, the United States hasn't been reduced to the circumstances that many lived under during the Depression, nor under which the elderly once routinely lived. Delaney and Grim again.

Though there were no national measurements, in surveys taken between 1925 and 1932 in Connecticut, New York and Wisconsin, nearly half of elderly people lived on less than $25 per month, which survey administrators deemed "insufficient subsistence income." A third in Connecticut had no income at all. An attempt to quantify elderly poverty in 1939, deep into the depression, using census data, found the rate may have been close to 80 percent.

The day that poverty loses its stigma doesn't, of course, mean that it's become acceptable. It's just that it's become pervasive to the point we can no longer indulge in denial that we're about to be overtaken by it too. It's the same with, say, warrantless surveillance. Until the day comes when many of us are actually dragged from our homes and taken into custody, we'll remain in denial that our rights are being systematically abrogated. However tired, the metaphor of the boiling frog demands to be trotted out again: by the time we decide we've had enough, it's too late.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:49 am
by fisherman bob
"Fairer distribution of wealth" has been tried in wonderful places like the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, Rumania, etc. ALL at the point of a gun and almost ALL of them distributing "wealth" from the carcasses of MILLIONS of slaughtered human beings. Human beings are NOT worker ants or bees. We are INDIVIDUALS with varying levels of work ethic, intelligence, entreprenurial skills, wants and needs. When a central government decides what "fairer distribution of wealth" is it absolutely destroys nearly everybody's desire to work hard and succeed in life. In EVERY country where "fairer distribution of wealth" has been tried it has led directly to wholesale slaughter and imprisonment of human beings in an entire country. Do you remember anything about history? How many people in communist East Germany, Cuba, Soviet Union, North Korea were allowed to freely leave those respective countries? NONE. It has been an abject failure everywhere it's been attempted, and anybody who attempts to force it upon me will be marked for death.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:06 am
by Scratchy
fisherman bob wrote:"Fairer distribution of wealth" has been tried in wonderful places like the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, Rumania, etc. ALL at the point of a gun and almost ALL of them distributing "wealth" from the carcasses of MILLIONS of slaughtered human beings. Human beings are NOT worker ants or bees. We are INDIVIDUALS with varying levels of work ethic, intelligence, entreprenurial skills, wants and needs. When a central government decides what "fairer distribution of wealth" is it absolutely destroys nearly everybody's desire to work hard and succeed in life. In EVERY country where "fairer distribution of wealth" has been tried it has led directly to wholesale slaughter and imprisonment of human beings in an entire country. Do you remember anything about history? How many people in communist East Germany, Cuba, Soviet Union, North Korea were allowed to freely leave those respective countries? NONE. It has been an abject failure everywhere it's been attempted, and anybody who attempts to force it upon me will be marked for death.


Your confusing "fairer distribution of wealth" with "communism", Bob. This write-up is simply asking, "why are Americans putting up with the current plutocratic economic condition." This condition is not what Capitalism is about. It is a sick, distorted, abuse of Capitalism, at a level that can only be changed when people in this country see it for what it really is.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:50 am
by Slacker G
Isn't "fair distribution" somewhat like stealing from those who earned it? And just exactly WHO has the right to decide what amount of anything I have earned needs to be distributed anyway? I couldn't give a dump about what someone else has. I don't consider that to be any of my business. I'm content with what I have.

Tonight I heard that the highest paid union stage hand in N.Y. makes $400,000 a year along with 125,000 added bonus and insurance added to that. This is for setting up chairs, lighting and other menial tasks. That is the highest paid. Average is 300,000.00 a year for a stage hand in N.Y. Now I couldn't care less about that or the cost that has to go into ticket prices to pay those outrageous wages and benefits.

Although I couldn't care less I would point out that these are the union people waging class warfare and demonizing the wealthy. Even though most of the wealthy who go to Broadway to see the plays that are being made the targets of their greed make less money than they do.

This administration considers that everyone making above 250,000 is wealthy, even though the politicians themselves have stuffed their own pockets with millions of tax payer dollars.

Maybe we need to go after those telling us to go after the wealthy. It appears to me that unions and politicians are the ones stealing the bread off your table. They are the biggest thieves on the planet, and they don't create job one.

And I don't consider the union forcing some employer to hire some union jerk to make sure there is a roll of toilet paper in every both as creating a job. Since unions and politicians are the ones doing best in this crappy economy maybe distribution should start with them.

It is my understanding that president *#$% went into politics broke. Several months later, as a multi millionaire, he left to run for president. It might be interesting to see how much he has accumulated when he leaves there. But wasn't this a dream somewhere in the back of Al Capone's mind? To get his hands on the government stash? Now we have a mafia style government and all the cash appears to be slipping away to places unknown.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:07 am
by Mike Nobody
Slacker G wrote:Isn't "fair distribution" somewhat like stealing from those who earned it? And just exactly WHO has the right to decide what amount of anything I have earned needs to be distributed anyway? I couldn't give a dump about what someone else has. I don't consider that to be any of my business. I'm content with what I have.

Tonight I heard that the highest paid union stage hand in N.Y. makes $400,000 a year along with 125,000 added bonus and insurance added to that. This is for setting up chairs, lighting and other menial tasks. That is the highest paid. Average is 300,000.00 a year for a stage hand in N.Y. Now I couldn't care less about that or the cost that has to go into ticket prices to pay those outrageous wages and benefits.

Although I couldn't care less I would point out that these are the union people waging class warfare and demonizing the wealthy. Even though most of the wealthy who go to Broadway to see the plays that are being made the targets of their greed make less money than they do.

This administration considers that everyone making above 250,000 is wealthy, even though the politicians themselves have stuffed their own pockets with millions of tax payer dollars.

Maybe we need to go after those telling us to go after the wealthy. It appears to me that unions and politicians are the ones stealing the bread off your table. They are the biggest thieves on the planet, and they don't create job one.

And I don't consider the union forcing some employer to hire some union jerk to make sure there is a roll of toilet paper in every both as creating a job. Since unions and politicians are the ones doing best in this crappy economy maybe distribution should start with them.

It is my understanding that president *#$% went into politics broke. Several months later, as a multi millionaire, he left to run for president. It might be interesting to see how much he has accumulated when he leaves there. But wasn't this a dream somewhere in the back of Al Capone's mind? To get his hands on the government stash? Now we have a mafia style government and all the cash appears to be slipping away to places unknown.


Scratch just said to Bob that he was confusing "fairer distribution of wealth" with "communism", as it seems so are you. You make enough for a decent living? Fine. Bully for you! Not everyone is as fortunate. Wages and (the lack of) benefits in our country are pitiful. The taxes are tilted in favor of the rich. There aren't enough good opportunities around. Those are all factors in how wealth is distributed NOW. As for half-million dollar stage hands, that's just BULLSHIT!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:27 am
by fisherman bob
The "fairest" way to distribute wealth is to let the market do it FREELY with a healthy dose of government regulation. That DOES NOT include somebody deciding that I need to give up 70% of my income so it can be "redistributed." Economies go up and down. It is a natural progression and regression. It is too bad that sometimes the poor suffer, as I am sufferomg right now in my business. I am self-employed and am severely underemployed at this time. Many pro musicians in the K.C. area are also severely underemployed at this time. This cycle will end soon and not by the governement artificially ending it by "redistribution." I am not confusing "fairer redistribution" with communism. "Fairer redistribution" IS a precursor of communism. Our laws MUST provide AMERICAN business with LESS regulations, encourage businesses and industries that have vacated our country to return, invest in new AMERICAN technologies and upon creating new technologies KEEP THEM HERE. Also Americans need to start a grassroots effort to buy only AMERICAN made products and BOYCOTT all companies that have left this country. We need to open all AMERICAN sources of energy including oil, coal, natural gas, and invest in safe nuclear technology as well as wind and solar power wherever it is feasible. There are many countries that severly restrict American made goods into their countries, we need to do the exact same import quotas of their products. It is an absolute shame and a sin what our government is doing to us.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:43 am
by Mike Nobody
Bob, I won't waste any more time on you, as you refuse to clean the wax out of your ears. Read what you just wrote. Read what I wrote. Stop. Think. Repeat.

Read, Think, Repeat. :roll:

When you see what the Hell we are talking about get back to us.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:07 am
by J-HALEY
Me thinks you LEFT LEANING LIBERALS are THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITICAL DUMB PHUCKS EVER BLYTED THIS INSIGNIFICANT SPEC. :lol: :lol: :lol: :D

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:19 pm
by philbymon
Oh contraire mon fraire!

Many of us are NOT "liberals."

We are seeing new trends that have happened before, but instead of monarchies & gov'ts stealing everything, it is becoming the globalized corporation that has zero checks & balances. When you have an entity that can ruin ANYONE's biz at any time, through pure economic power, there is no freedom in the market place. When you have an entity that has total control over the populace through monopolism, trusts, & other unfair business practices, there is no free market.

Buy a pair of glasses by any co, & the money goes to a single source. Buy corn, & the money goes to a single source. Buy gas for your car, & the money goes to one of only 3 co's. You will soon have NO CHOICE in the market of much of ANYTHING that you buy. These co's will OWN you, lock, stock, & barrel, as they will be the only ones that will be able to offer you a job, & they will be the only source of their chosen goods.

Fighting this trend is NOT a "liberal" concept. Fighting to return to a free & open market is what we are doing, while many of you are fighting for their "right" to totally control every person on the planet with the costs of their goods, the availability of their goods, & the jobs available.

I just don't understand you...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:23 pm
by RGMixProject
Mike Nobody wrote:Bob, I won't waste any more time on you, as you refuse to clean the wax out of your ears. Read what you just wrote. Read what I wrote. Stop. Think. Repeat.

Read, Think, Repeat. :roll:

When you see what the Hell we are talking about get back to us.


Mike Nobody, you do not post any original music that you have done because you don't have any, you do not post any of your original pictures or graphic images because you don't have any, you have yet to start a post with any original thought of your own. YOU need to STFU and just listen and learn for awhile untill you think you have something original that comes from you and nobody else.

AND just who the f**k is US?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:42 pm
by philbymon
"Fair distribution of wealth" is an unfortunate phrase that's DESIGNED to trigger your ire against good, common sense issues. All we want is an equal chance to become rich in our own rights, but those rights are being removed by economic monsters out there, &, unlike the toe monsters of our youth, THESE monsters are very real, & extremely powerful, & unbelievably crafty.

Seriously, you folk who call yourselves "free marketers" & "conservatives!" Check into KKR, Monsanto, & other huge conglomerates. See how many co's THEY own, & how much power they have, & how you are being manipulated by them, & THEN come back & call me a "liberal" or a "whiner." Tell me again how great things are, & how anyone can become rich in their field, as their patents get stolen, or ppl get killed for their inventions that could help us all, or when you go to buy that loaf od bread that costs you $4-5 because some super-corp has a chokehold on wheat.

Educate yourselves before attacking us about a turn of phrase. Things are NOT fair, for any of us. We must fight to get the markets back, & our freedoms, as well, before all is lost.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:44 pm
by RGMixProject
WTF....The Tea Party National Anthem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1byTDgu7iA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:48 pm
by gbheil
Bob is not confused.
He is absolutely right.
It is related to the natural degradation of any form of governance by the evil of mankind.
That is why severely limited governance is the only workable solution.
( not perfect - workable )
There simply is no " fair " way for humans to interact with each other consistently.
Therefor, central power of any nature must be avoided.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:49 pm
by lalong
We are headed for a sh*t storm in this country. They don’t want a recovery, the rich are still rich so business as usual continues. The wealthy and the banks can gobble up all the real-estate they want. A deal brokered by government bailout money. Uncle Sam isn’t trying to help reduce foreclosures, in fact by backing the banks, he’s actually one of the forces at work to take the homes.

When they talk about small business they make it sound like the times of June and Beaver Cleaver. There hasn’t been a small retail opportunity since the days of black and white TV. So if a good part of it is going to be based on IT services, I’m just really glad we are dumping masses of money into our education. That was sarcasm, in case anyone missed it.

The nonsense is unsustainable and intentional. When it finally breaks they will be right there ready with a solution all of their own, that doesn’t even pretend to include “We the People”. It wont be chaos as everyone predicts but actually quite calm as we turn over to the next Roman empire and start world conquest. Not to worry in two generations everyone will be on board. It only took Hitler less than one to pull it off and they have much better media to warp our minds today. The other than rich will be serfs to support the armed forces. Hitler used slaves but a few pennies on the dollar is close enough.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:57 pm
by gbheil
philbymon wrote:"Fair distribution of wealth" is an unfortunate phrase that's DESIGNED to trigger your ire against good, common sense issues. All we want is an equal chance to become rich in our own rights, but those rights are being removed by economic monsters out there, &, unlike the toe monsters of our youth, THESE monsters are very real, & extremely powerful, & unbelievably crafty.

Seriously, you folk who call yourselves "free marketers" & "conservatives!" Check into KKR, Monsanto, & other huge conglomerates. See how many co's THEY own, & how much power they have, & how you are being manipulated by them, & THEN come back & call me a "liberal" or a "whiner." Tell me again how great things are, & how anyone can become rich in their field, as their patents get stolen, or ppl get killed for their inventions that could help us all, or when you go to buy that loaf od bread that costs you $4-5 because some super-corp has a chokehold on wheat.

Educate yourselves before attacking us about a turn of phrase. Things are NOT fair, for any of us. We must fight to get the markets back, & our freedoms, as well, before all is lost.



I don't understand why some people constantly confuse the immoral of men with the faults inherent in governance systems.

None of us " teabagers" think our system is perfect.
Communism or more factually Marxism would be a perfectly functional form of governance if men were moral.
As far as that goes ... IF men were moral, we would need no governance at all.

Men are not moral, therefore all forms of governance are corruptible.
Limited powers and limited governance where the "power" remains with the populace to a greater extent allowing for ebb and flow, is the only workable system.

It's really quite simple.