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It can happen here, as well.

"The Venezuelan parliament has passed a law that bans any internet content that "promotes social unrest, challenges authority or condones crime." President Hugo Chavez's ruling party pushed the law through in less than a week. Snip from AFP:

The new law expands 2004 restrictions on content in radio, television and print media. In an unprecedented move, it now also includes content from the Internet and electronic subscription services, making webpage managers "responsible for the information and content" published on their websites."

It is meant to crack down on media content that "makes an apology of crime," "promotes unrest in the population" or "challenges legally established authorities." Webpage managers must now "establish mechanisms to restrict, without delay, the diffusion of messages... that are included in the ban." The measure increases fines imposed on media violations to "10 percent of the previous year's gross income," in addition to "72 hours of continuous suspension of services."

boingboing.com

Somebody needs to cap Chavez in his ass.

The FCC just announced today that they took over our Internet. So now we have the FCC and all its evils making the new Internet rules. And the Supreme Court said they could not do that. But they did anyway. So just who is running the show? I for one have a sneaky suspicion that we have already been taken over. These people are doing whatever they feel like doing and we aren't even in the picture as far as they are concerned.

Obama has some of his key people in the FCC

The cat is out of the bag.
2011 should prove quite interesting as more and more of these illegal and unconstitutional maneuvers come to light.

Slacker G wrote:The FCC just announced today that they took over our Internet. So now we have the FCC and all its evils making the new Internet rules. And the Supreme Court said they could not do that. But they did anyway. So just who is running the show? I for one have a sneaky suspicion that we have already been taken over. These people are doing whatever they feel like doing and we aren't even in the picture as far as they are concerned.

I dont know how you put that all together Slacker, but, from what I've read, the FCC wants to regulate the broadband industry, just like it did the telephone industry way back when ATT was the only horse in town (monopoly). "The reclassification would further the FCC’s plan to expand the reach of broadband and the Internet and foster net neutrality among ISPs, meaning all traffic on the Web would be treated equally."

"A federal appeals court ruled that the FCC had no legal authority to punish Comcast for slowing down BitTorrent traffic on its network. The FCC censured Comcast for violating its Net neutrality principles."


Now, you can spin this story anyway you want....give it a "chicken little" twist, and scare everyone into thinking the government wants to take over your brain. Go ahead and put aluminum foil on your head if you want, But THIS Little Red Rooster aint buying what your selling Slacker.

The propsed Net Neutrality rules as listed would affect how content is handled all the way down to the technical traffic shaping used to ease congestion on busier networks. Since FCC communications rules apply to all matters of communication once they have latched on to a technology, this can apply to private enterprise implimentation as well. Think this is paranoia, then you have not paid attention for the last 60 years. The FCC was originally intended to regulate telegrams and old school POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) back when it was Ma Bell. Everything else has been because they stretched thier reach with each technology. I work with a network with many VLANS across leased lines, private fiber lines and microwave PTP and PTMP links. If the rules go into effect, we may have to adjust our traffic shaping policies in 7 states as they hit any leased line. Since we are on a domain hosted across several hundred leased lines, this will change how we, a private company, do business. This will also change how we are allowed to filter content across the leased lines for our own employees. This will then have the net effect of creating security holes. Thus costing us more money to find "legal" FCC (an unelected body) approved method of securing what is a Private network.

This is just because of the baby step onto the otherwise smooth functioning system that is in place.

Now, once those rules are in place and the feds have a thumb on one side of the neck of the internet, I am inclined to beleive that the unintended consequenses of little things like McCain Feingold (sp?) - free speech limitation could then be imposed on web masters who operate sites that have advertising and support opinion.

So the incremental baby steps of the federal cancer known as beauracracy could in fact decrease competition, kill the free flow of information and thus suppress free speech and protected speech. All because my ISP is not allowed to use traffic shaping technology during peak times of network congestion.

It is not paranoia if they ARE out to get you. Where is my hat? It is mylar composite because aluminum and tin does not effectively attenuate the frequencies used by satellites. (Mythbusters already tested this.)

"Now, once those rules are in place and the feds have a thumb on one side of the neck of the internet, I am inclined to beleive that the unintended consequenses of little things like McCain Feingold (sp?) - free speech limitation could then be imposed on web masters who operate sites that have advertising and support opinion. "

Paranoia.

I dont think there is an industry out there that would not prefer to be Self Regulated. So Im not surprised that this type of speculation is going on. The stock market was self-regulated once. The music industry has always shown signs of paranoia, especially where it hints at censorship. It hasn't happened to the extent everyone thought it would. Rap was censored, to an extent, but kids still managed to get the down and dirty CD's.

Little Red Rooster is not buying a mylar hat anytime soon.

Scratchy you come off as a globalist agenda promoting plant or something. You seem to either take the propaganda side of the arguments here, or hate bash people for showing cause for concern over it.

Are you a musician or an agent provocateur?


and merely being able to play an instrument doesn't make you a musician!
Your "eat the rich" profile pic doesn't mean much if you promote agendas that lean toward them...

"it's all in your best interest"

That's what the Nazi's/fascists/socialists said as they raped their people of their rights and liberties and finally all freedoms!

Hayden King wrote:Scratchy you come off as a globalist agenda promoting plant or something. You seem to either take the propaganda side of the arguments here, or hate bash people for showing cause for concern over it.

Are you a musician or an agent provocateur?


and merely being able to play an instrument doesn't make you a musician!
Your "eat the rich" profile pic doesn't mean much if you promote agendas that lean toward them...

"it's all in your best interest"

That's what the Nazi's/fascists/socialists said as they raped their people of their rights and liberties and finally all freedoms!

I call it like I see it Mister King. I dont promote the agendas you insinuate, but I do condemn miss-information. And I watch the money trail to see who benefits from modern-day yellow journalism (Its generally the rich who do). You simply assumed I had sympathy for the FCC because I tried to correct Slacker's paranoiac spin.
And I find it interesting that you quote Nazism. They were King at getting people to believe in the "superior race", and they did it by way of yellow journalism.

Scratchy wrote:

Hayden King wrote:Scratchy you come off as a globalist agenda promoting plant or something. You seem to either take the propaganda side of the arguments here, or hate bash people for showing cause for concern over it.

Are you a musician or an agent provocateur?


and merely being able to play an instrument doesn't make you a musician!
Your "eat the rich" profile pic doesn't mean much if you promote agendas that lean toward them...

"it's all in your best interest"

That's what the Nazi's/fascists/socialists said as they raped their people of their rights and liberties and finally all freedoms!

I call it like I see it Mister King. I dont promote the agendas you insinuate, but I do condemn miss-information. And I watch the money trail to see who benefits from modern-day yellow journalism (Its generally the rich who do). You simply assumed I had sympathy for the FCC because I tried to correct Slacker's paranoiac spin.
And I find it interesting that you quote Nazism. They were King at getting people to believe in the "superior race", and they did it by way of yellow journalism.

You are promoting yet more government control over a free market economy... well, it used to be.

Anything beyond border security (don't have any), infrastructure building and maintaining (don't have any), social liberty and justice (have less and less) and food and worker safety (some food is now poison), More Government means less of each and all of those... that's just history my friends.

Not the wealthy but The Super Wealthy... they are the one's that will be in control of and have the luxuries of the planet.

Don't mean to be hard on ya Scratch.
Just Sayin.

Hayden King wrote:

Scratchy wrote:

Hayden King wrote:Scratchy you come off as a globalist agenda promoting plant or something. You seem to either take the propaganda side of the arguments here, or hate bash people for showing cause for concern over it.

Are you a musician or an agent provocateur?


and merely being able to play an instrument doesn't make you a musician!
Your "eat the rich" profile pic doesn't mean much if you promote agendas that lean toward them...

"it's all in your best interest"

That's what the Nazi's/fascists/socialists said as they raped their people of their rights and liberties and finally all freedoms!

I call it like I see it Mister King. I dont promote the agendas you insinuate, but I do condemn miss-information. And I watch the money trail to see who benefits from modern-day yellow journalism (Its generally the rich who do). You simply assumed I had sympathy for the FCC because I tried to correct Slacker's paranoiac spin.
And I find it interesting that you quote Nazism. They were King at getting people to believe in the "superior race", and they did it by way of yellow journalism.

You are promoting yet more government control over a free market economy... well, it used to be.

Anything beyond border security (don't have any), infrastructure building and maintaining (don't have any), social liberty and justice (have less and less) and food and worker safety (some food is now poison), More Government means less of each and all of those... that's just history my friends.

Not the wealthy but The Super Wealthy... they are the one's that will be in control of and have the luxuries of the planet.

Don't mean to be hard on ya Scratch.
Just Sayin.

No Im not Hayden. Let me break it down for you in an "xtranormal" cartoon kind of way, (since I cant draw stick figures on this site).

White Unidentifiable Cartoon Animal (WUCA): "The FCC just announced today that they took over our Internet."

Brown Unidentifiable Cartoon Animal (BUCA): "Did you check your facts WUCA, because I read that the FCC wants to regulate the broadband industry because Comcast was slowing down BitTorrent traffic to customers on its network.

WUCA: " The FCC and all its evils are making new Internet rules. And the Supreme Court said they could not do that."

BUCA: "Are you sure, because, as I understand it, the FCC is only leaning on one corporation, Comcast, because they want to limit internet access to their customers. A federal appeals court ruled that the FCC had no legal authority to punish Comcast.

WUCA: "So the big Corporation wanted to manipulate internet usage?

BUCA: "Right, sorta like China does to it's internet users.

WUCA: "Thanks for clearing that up for me. I thought, for a moment that you were Anti-Business.

BUCA: "I was, in the 60's, but now Im not because its not a popular position anymore because my old hippie friends grew up, bought houses and have their kid's college tuitions to consider."



I can also explain it in shadow puppets if that helps ya.

I found this interesting stuff. Just kinda proves that our gov isn't interested in spying on the people and stuff. Honest. Those other guys are right. They can be trusted.

The DHS said they were considering a mandate that garbage men and other gov employees "spy" on people and report anything they thought suspicious. Garbage men inspecting OUR trash??? But it is for our own good. Just like the pat downs are to make us used to that treatment so we won't be upset when the pat downs move into our streets and public places. Honest.. you can trust these people. I know all the web sites that DHS shut down had to be bad guys. Maybe something you are thinking will make you a bad guy in America some day. They can be trusted.. believe me! I trust all them fine fellers.

Earlier this year it was reported that In-Q-Tel and Google Ventures are buying Recorded Future, a web analytics and spying outfit whose software “scours tens of thousands of Web sites, blogs and Twitter accounts to find the relationships between people, organizations, actions and incidents”. See: http://gcn.com/articles/2010/07/29/inqt ... -firm.aspx

See the Washington Post on Google’s partnership with NSA: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04057.html

Slacker G wrote:I found this interesting stuff. Just kinda proves that our gov isn't interested in spying on the people and stuff. Honest. Those other guys are right. They can be trusted.

The DHS said they were considering a mandate that garbage men and other gov employees "spy" on people and report anything they thought suspicious. Garbage men inspecting OUR trash??? But it is for our own good. Just like the pat downs are to make us used to that treatment so we won't be upset when the pat downs move into our streets and public places. Honest.. you can trust these people. I know all the web sites that DHS shut down had to be bad guys. Maybe something you are thinking will make you a bad guy in America some day. They can be trusted.. believe me! I trust all them fine fellers.

Earlier this year it was reported that In-Q-Tel and Google Ventures are buying Recorded Future, a web analytics and spying outfit whose software “scours tens of thousands of Web sites, blogs and Twitter accounts to find the relationships between people, organizations, actions and incidents”. See: http://gcn.com/articles/2010/07/29/inqt ... -firm.aspx

See the Washington Post on Google’s partnership with NSA: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04057.html

Im not denying that big brother is watching in one way or another. I believe that most internet spying, at this point in time, is marketing based. There was a time when the FBI was believed to have used Library info to find anarchists and communist sympathizers, along with survivalists and hippies, by knowing who was borrowing what books. Of course, it could have been done, but they would have ended up with a whole bunch of innocent people who just happened to want to read "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx. But Im not so naive as to believe that there is, or ever will be a central computer base where the government will find out everything they want about me and what I do. On a local level, Wake county police do not share info with Orange county Sheriffs if they dont have to. So I dont buy the "Eagle Eye" (its a movie) histeria. And when this FBI technique came to light, revolutionist found a different avenue of aquiring intel.


"I might buy a pair of boots with my credit card, but I'll be paying cash when I buy my ammo."-anonymous red-neck who aint 'that dumb'