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Spend a lil while chewin on this... bet most of you aren't even aware of this.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... stanl.html

I'm not the only one who suspects that Barack is not a U.S. citizen. You can see the lies in his smile.

That article bums me out.

I cant believe you would fall for Pamela Geller's right wing, non founded, non factual crap. My 5 year old niece is smart enough to wiki this stuff. Is she smarter than you?

If she believes everything on wiki she's not.

Smart enough to look past what they spoon feed you in Kilgore, Texas

lol that Old Charter is pretty good stuff? It’s getting rowdy at the bottom of the thread.

Ok Hayden you seem pretty bent about wanting to hate Obama, but if they sent him packing tomorrow Joe Lieberman is next in line. So tell me what you believe the agenda is and I’ll one up it by a mile.

Scratchy wrote:Smart enough to look past what they spoon feed you in Kilgore, Texas

...and the horse you rode in on...

lalong wrote: Ok Hayden you seem pretty bent about wanting to hate Obama, but if they sent him packing tomorrow Joe Lieberman is next in line. So tell me what you believe the agenda is and I’ll one up it by a mile.

How far down the rabbit hole do you wanna go?

Global Governance!
Pursued by the De Rothschild family for over 100 years.

ALL major wars since have been facilitated by this group.
ALL U.S. presidents have been puppets for them since JFK.

I could tell you everything you wanted to know about the Trilateral Commission 25 years ago...
And did so relentlessly until I heard "your just a paranoid conspiracy theorist" one too many times, and said "f@ck all o you morons. You get what you deserve"
Now it's programming on The Discovery Channel.

I'm a lil more tolerant of willful ignorance nowadays.

I change my views regularly. As appropriate due to new information.

Show me a copy of his "birth certificate"... and that is not the same thing as the certificate of birth posted by the white house!

Why did the Governor of Hawaii seal this document?
Why has his birthplace in Kenya been enshrined?
Why did his Grandmother and the Kenyan consulate say that he was born there?

Teach me something.



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Ok bud I have to admit that’s pretty good, here’s my dive. I would like to point out this is nothing about moral choices, just strategic possibilities.

Of course purely hypothetical, but if the US government itself was in actual jeopardy what is it allowed/liable to do in it’s own preservation? Given the military technical edge we have right now which makes more sense: Do we allow contrary disruptive governments to continue to sit on a necessary resource that will become increasingly more valuable as the demand outweighs the supply, feeding their pockets and the expansion of our nemesis China? Or do we use it, before we lose it and seize the resources needed for the maintenance of keeping the world safe “for the better good”? As those countries that sit on the oil increase in wealth, the ability for them to leverage oil for technology will too. They will continue to get stronger, while we continue to get weaker.

BP has projected that this year the world will be a peak oil production. From here on out oil supply will slide backward from demand. China is holding our debt and their industry is expanding at a large rate. I think our last economic gasp under the old system will be a military action to use what we have, to take what we can and then renegotiate world wealth after we have most of the oil.

Several things have to happen first. #1 we need Israel to attack Iran, we spent too much creditability on two wars already, so we have to let them pick this fight. Escalating it won’t be a problem because Pakistan and Turkey will probably join in the fray. #2 Immediately after deployment we crash the dollar sending China and ourselves into economic chaos. #3 The old government being dependant on the old currency collapses and our representation along with it, the elite few take control with the oil interests and defense industry in firm control. #4 They kill all domestic communications and exert total control over the populace, ironically with many of the tools we demanded to keep us safe from an outside threat. Soldiers overseas don’t dare rebel with their families virtually held hostage at home. They get paid in script for food and goods. #5 The congress and senate having been previously bought with bailout money, gets forcibly disbanded. The high ranking hierarchy of the military is given a choice of being extremely rich and going along with military conquest, or being executed. #6 Israel goes for Egypt, we go for Saudi Arabia. We might not have to after it’s obvious what’s going on and they attack in support of Pakistan and Turkey.

There’s a few wild cards, first when do we do a pre-emptive on China? I think it would be best right after the communications blackout, so wide spread panic is minimized when they retaliate. What side will India go to? Russia has a real hard choice to make. Given their position it would probably be best to feign neutrality until either China or mainland Europe deploys. Then they can hit whomever, while they’re not looking. England France and Germany could band together with Russia against us, since that would be their best option in naval defense. But regardless they all have to be worried about China since they share the same continent. If Russia allies with China from the beginning, Europe will immediately form an alliance and attack. The bonus is, we will eventually be selling them the oil to slug it out and denying it to our enemies. Eventually though, the Russian reserves will be a problem and will have to be denied from China. I think at that point though, some deal will be brokered within the messy grab bag of musical countries that will take place afterwards.

When it’s all over we have grabbed the very resource that China’s expansion is dependant upon at the same time shackled their military with threatening neighbors, or outright nuked them. In the process we have declared an unapologetic outright war against the Muslim nations that support extremism and have taken control of the one resource that will guarantee our lead into the next fifty years. Once every oil well has been depleted and not a single drop remains for big oil to profit from, we roll out the alternative energy.

Damn! Do you attend the Bilderburg meetings?

That's definitely a Fascist/Neocon perspective.
It may even wield true.
Of course our energy problems have been solved for decades, but we'll never get the benefits of it... all snatched up and held back by the dark side of the government.... who of course are just strong arms for the international banking cartel.
Fossil fuels are just a means to an end and not at all a necessary commodity.

No Hayden, I’m not familiar with them. As you point out I am naïve, I agree and I don’t wish to be led to conclusions not my own. Misinformation is just too common. I think once anyone comes to a conclusion the few exists, it really doesn’t matter who the ultimate puppet masters are.

But out of my whole rant my only predictions are: That Israel will invade Iran and we will assist. There are just too many reasons for them and us to do it. Our government WILL purposely sabotage the dollar, I’m absolutely certain of this. Ironically North Korea wants a war in the worst way. They just have too many people and not enough resources. Every once in a while they do a nuclear test, or shoot a missile and scream: “Look at us we’re a threat!” and it’s actually comical how we ignore them. Eventually we will oblige and turn it into a puddle of glass, to clear the staging area from South Korea. Their army is too big and we wont want to get bogged down in Korea for an extended time. So yes, we will definitely nuke North Korea. It’s just so odd, that they keep insisting on providing us a reason. It could be China’s influence to provide justification for their pre-emptive attack on us.

I revised it, Russia will definitely go for China when they move to re-enforce North Korea. That was the missing piece I couldn’t quite fit in. It might be part of the trade off for the Middle East.

We would benefit, just under a different form of government in the new world. As repulsive as the idea seems to us, within a less time of a generation everyone will be stepping in line. Most of our population already, would gladly trade liberty for safety. It’s those people I fear more than any terrorist. It’s already late in the game and we’ll see two more presidential elections at most. I think it’s more than likely only one more. Oil will be half as available as it is now in 2050, to make the most of it we will have to make a move before somewhere around 2020.

Again, oil is not the goal here. It is archaic and not necessary. Global Governance (an elitists playground) is the goal.

China will not be invaded in this century... nobody want to fight that bull. Because they'll lose!

I'll be surprised to see even one more election.

Any nukes released will be here in the U.S. in the form of dirty bombs. It will be done by the C.I.A. and red flagged as terrorists in order to facilitate martial law.

Scratchy wrote:Smart enough to look past what they spoon feed you in Kilgore, Texas

Questioning someone's intelligence - normal.
Questioning someone's intelligence based on their geographical location - makes you the idiot.

One o my favorite people lives in Kilgore... I live in Kentucky...

Savants are smarter than any of us and often can't tie their own shoes...

What is smart?
intelligence?
Wisdom?
common sense?

I think it takes a lil of each.

Neanderpaul was smart enough to point out ignorance in others...
And I'm intelligent enough not to argue with his wisdom... it's just common sense not to

A drunken fool isn't worth suffering over, just smile like you would the antics of a child and it'll go away. No offense, but I don't make much sense while having a few too many myself.

I disagree about China, at that point it’s a country who’s economy is in utter ruin and they have unrest already. They are also an aggressive country and with North Korea war is inevitable. If China masses for an invasion in support of North Korea, it would be the best and perhaps only time, Russia would have an opportunity to take the initiative.

If it comes down to nukes.. The nuclear weapons they have today are so large the plumes of the explosion if viewed from space literally extend past the curvature of the earth. Where ground zero in Hiroshima was about half a mile, the ones today ground zero, or the point of actual explosion is about thirty miles. Each missile contains 16 of these warheads that’s a combined surface area of 512 miles of blast alone per missile. We have 2,468 active warheads amounting to a total of 74,040 miles of surface area that is direct blast or ground zero. In contrast Russia has 4,650 warheads amounting to about 139,500 miles of ground zero. China has approximately 180 active warheads. Amounting to a mere 5400 miles of direct blast. It’s all going to be very messy.

I have to get some sleep I keep getting confused.