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Step 1 Saw the young couple smoking in their car. Felt sorry for them that they are abusing themselves. Step 2 saw the 2 year old in the back seat, noticed the windows mostly up. Felt rage. Step 3 saw the woman get out of the car looking 7-8 months pregnant had to fight the urge to tell them they were abusing themselves and their babies. Step 4 Look up VA laws on this matter. Step 5???

Sorry, Paul, but Step #5 is to mind your own business.

I am a smoker. I smoked in the car when Ian was a child. I smoke in the car when Jace in it, too, though not often, & only when the windows can be opened.

Obviously step 3 shows I did mind my own business. I know this is dangerous ground but I think anyone who smokes in a car with a child is a SELFISH PIECE OF @#%^. As much as I like you I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say it. It is child abuse and I will pursue protecting children within the law. Children are precious and deserve the best opportunities we can give them.

This looks like it's illegal in VA now. http://hamptonroads.com/2009/02/va-sena ... g-kids-car

This is way out of line but I just gotta say this;



OMFG people are still having kids! and they are putting them in cars!

About 10,000 kids 15 and younger are killed or injured by cars every year and thats not ever counting the KIDS IN THE CAR.

Every square inch of farm land has so much crap on it, thats is what is killing people and kids.

The loss of clean air on planet earth is killing kids and people.

EVERYTHING IS KILLING PEOPLE AND KIDS its the combination of EVERYTHING.

Most people are only gonna live somewhere between 50 and 80.

The biggest killer of all is:





SIN!



Ok way to much coffee this morning.

I remember as a kid, going on long trips with my family, & wrapping my coat or my shirt around my face, cuz I couldn't breathe, thanks to my parents' smoking. When I asked to open a window I was told to shut up.

I may be a piece of sh*t, Paulie, but I'm a much better piece of sh*t than MY parents were. Progress may not go as fast as you wish it to, but progress has been made. Get used to it.

As far as VA law is concerned, VA can kiss my pearly white pimply ass, unless they wanna mind their own damned business.

Keep going down this slippery slope and it will be illegal to fart in your own home.

philbymon wrote:I remember as a kid, going on long trips with my family, & wrapping my coat or my shirt around my face, cuz I couldn't breathe, thanks to my parents' smoking. When I asked to open a window I was told to shut up.

That sucks and I'm sorry.

philbymon wrote:I may be a piece of sh*t, Paulie, but I'm a much better piece of sh*t than MY parents were. Progress may not go as fast as you wish it to, but progress has been made. Get used to it.

Doing less bad only makes you less bad not better. That means you are doing some bad. I'm sorry Phil. We never butt heads. I like you. But I'm not budging on this. My almost cussing shows my seriousness. How many times have you heard me cuss? Zero.

Say you used to beat your wife. You used to punch her in the mouth. You used to punch her in the stomach. But now you are "nicer". When you lose your temper you only open palm her in the face. Is that better? Nope, it is only less horrific. It is horrific.

A small dose of poison in the form of carbon monoxide and the other hundreds of carcinogens is a dose of poison.

Let's follow this even further out. The last time you smoked in the car with a child how long were you on the road for? An hour? 3? You couldn't either wait and deny an urge? Or pull over and walk around outside the car? When you smoke you have given your body a "no" signal so many times that it believes the lie. The lie that the smoke is a yes. Your brain reroutes itself daily. That's how habits are formed. You let your body tell you you "needed" that cigarette. It's old ingrained self abusive repetitive behavior. And you are letting a precious child who you love pay for your wrong.

I'm not saying that one ride in the car a week? a month? With cigarette smoke is going to give him him cancer. I am saying one ride in the smoky car delivers some poison to an innocent precious child.

sanshouheil wrote:Keep going down this slippery slope and it will be illegal to fart in your own home.

If protecting children from carcinogens is a slippery slope. GREASE ME UP because I'm going headfirst.

Smoking last I checked was still legal in the U.S. There's carcinogens in EVERYTHING including the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat. I'm a non-smoker and my wife smokes so I give her hell all the time about it. But it's LEGAL. If parents do something LEGAL around their kids then it's okay. If smoking is ILLEGAL in a vehicle with your kids in it, then you have the right to report it to the authorities. I believe law enforcement has better things to do with their time than chase down reports on people smoking in their own vehicles. What about all the concerts you have attended all these years? Should all the people who have smoked at them been arrested? What about all the smoke-filled gigs you performed at? Now there's towns where it's ILLEGAL to smoke anywhere within city limits except your own single-family home, not even your own condo or townhouse. I've lost gigs after they issued smoking bans, places went out of business. I'd rather gig at a smoke-filled venue than not play anywhere. I think it should be up to the business owner whether smoking be allowed in THEIR business. It's THEIR business, smoking is still LEGAL. I understand your wanting to protect kids' health, do so when there's ILLEGAL activities that threaten their hea;th...

I never smoked in a car with any non smokers, in a house with non smokers,in my own apartment because my neighbors were non smokers.

You have to laugh and remember that just 40 years ago we had smoking sections on airlines recirculating all the air on the plane.

This all comes down to what I have been saying, that with FREEDOM comes tremendous personal responsibility.

If anyone doesn't want to accept that responsibility, then there are WAY TOO MANY THAT WILL IMPOSE THEIR WILL UPON YOU. Once the force of POWER and and the subrogation of your free will, given ONLY BY GOD, are broached... It may be to late for you to try and reclaim them in this lifetime.

I see the points that Phil and Paul are making. THEY ARE BOTH ABSOLUTELY, RIGHT. But at the same time they are not preaching the most important thing, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

I saw the food line outside of DC food pantry for the poor, very reminiscent of the bread lines of the thirties. God this is really sad because they have given up their free will choice to succeed,turned it over to some other "POWER" and now this is what they are left with. They have not only been stripped of their money, their dignity to produce and contribute, and most of all their free will to decide to choose personal responsibility.

SO MUCH HAS already been stolen from these Americans.

It was NOT DONE BY CORPORATE AMERICA. IT WAS DONE BY OUR VERY OWN GOVERNMENT. THE SAME ONE THAT PROMISES TO GIVE THESE POOR EVERYTHING.

Remember! IN GOD WE TRUST!!!! [ this is not tongue in cheek]

fisherman bob wrote:Smoking last I checked was still legal in the U.S. There's carcinogens in EVERYTHING including the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat.

Agreed, so why increase the doses of carcinogens especially on the innocent children trusting us to protect them.

fisherman bob wrote: If smoking is ILLEGAL in a vehicle with your kids in it, then you have the right to report it to the authorities.

Through research I found that it is indeed illegal. And I will report them.
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/02/va-sena ... g-kids-car

fisherman bob wrote: I believe law enforcement has better things to do with their time than chase down reports on people smoking in their own vehicles.

I can think of NOTHING more important than protecting children. When I see people smoking in their own closed up cars I feel pity. When I see a child in the same car I feel an overwhelming urge to protect the innocent.

fisherman bob wrote: What about all the concerts you have attended all these years?

It has been years since I did that. Thanks to laws I will never have to make that choice again. The civic centers and performance halls here have no smoking. YAY! So the last few I saw at Jefferson Center for instance. Grace Potter, Kathy Mattea, and Keller Williams were all smoke free.

fisherman bob wrote:Should all the people who have smoked at them been arrested?

No. It was legal.

fisherman bob wrote: What about all the smoke-filled gigs you performed at?

Not for years. And never again. I will not abuse my instrument that way ever again.

fisherman bob wrote: Now there's towns where it's ILLEGAL to smoke anywhere within city limits except your own single-family home, not even your own condo or townhouse.

Great! Your rights - my rights end when they interfere with the rights of others

fisherman bob wrote: I've lost gigs after they issued smoking bans, places went out of business.

That sucks. Sorry to hear it. That really shows that the party was the entertainment. The booze, the smoking and social interaction.

fisherman bob wrote: I'd rather gig at a smoke-filled venue than not play anywhere.

Not me. remember that 12 gig, 4000 mile tour I played last year? No cigarettes. Not a single bar.

fisherman bob wrote:I think it should be up to the business owner whether smoking be allowed in THEIR business. It's THEIR business, smoking is still LEGAL.

Agreed.

fisherman bob wrote:I understand your wanting to protect kids' health, do so when there's ILLEGAL activities that threaten their hea;th...

Smoking around kids IS illegal in cars in this state. It should be illegal to smoke around kids period.

Laws to make something illegal are only needed when personal responsibility and some one else's need to control are greater than the general intentions of what is proper and just.

If more people minded their own business, and more people exercised their freedoms with tremendous personal responsibility,if more people understood the values this country was founded on,,, WE WOULDN"T NEED LAWS TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO BRUSH THEIR TEETH.

By the way the tooth brush was invented in a state [not mentioned] where dental care had a low priority. That is why it is not called a teeth brush.

I think the older I get the more sh*t like this gets to me too. But as I remember when I smoked I never gave any consideration for my kids and other people around me.

I think someone said something about "chidish things".

I tell my kids how I feel about the same things and thats all I can do except pray a little harder.

Was this lady any relation to "The Wounderful World Of The Whites" family?