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Damn, sounds like he definitely had a nervous breakdown, seeing all those "orbs".

Funny how a lot of famous people go down hard after a few mishaps. I guess looking back on your legacy with a permanent vacation is not enough. Time is cruel, life is cruel...sh*t happens.

ACK! I was afraid for a sec that you'd found out something from my deep dark past (or present, for that matter!).

Yeah...I can relate to the loss of abilities, to a lesser degree. It takes a toll, for sure.

Hope he gets better.

I'm a firm believer in if someone is suicidal, they have a brain chemistry problem and need medical attention.

Most people don't understand what it's like to get to that point, it's mental illness as the brain is not functioning properly...

Phil needs to see a doctor and get his meds......

Sorry, Stranger, but I disagree 1,000%!!!!

Enforced behaviors & "proper thinking" should NEVER be mandated through the use of experimental drugs. ALL of those anti-depressants & such are experimental, btw.

There are a plethora of reasons to commit the act, & a few of them are perfectly understandable, for one thing.

For another, Good friends & plenty of activity are far safer alternatives to the questionable drugs, & have no side effects.

Keep the f*ckin' pills where they belong - in the test labs - & off the streets, & away from innocent ppl, because there ain't a goddamned doctor alive who can tell you what they'll do to you!!!!

God forbid any of you become that clever huh? Deep, is deep.
It requires fields of quietness and inner thought.

He'll bounce back. Media mountain is really cruel, we all got Skeletons.

I believe that at some point in their life EVERYONE has suicidal thoughts. It is pretty normal to have them it is called DEPRESSION. Now whether it is just temporary depression or clinical depression there is a big difference between the two! Usually people acting on them are really asking for help and they don't realize it. Its when folks act on them that it becomes a problem!
My stepmom commited suicide in 1975. It was a horrible mistake for her to do that over my Dad but she did! Her children had to live their life without their mother! A really horrible thing the youngest was with my Dad when they found her. I just spent this past Sat. with my 2 step brothers that I haven't seen in 25 and 35 years It twas a great day!

Depression is a state of mind - NOT A DISEASE.

All these morons playing with ppl's heads should taken out & shot in their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. And be real careful you don't get any of their stupid brain spatter on ya, cuz it might be catchy!

Most Dr's who prescribe anti-depressants have little to no idea what the real scoop on any given patient is, I'll wager.

They put my wife on anti-depressants. They kept her on them for NINE YEARS. Guess what? Clinical depression lasts about a year. Look it up. I did. They were allowing her to diagnose herself, & they were medicating her. based on what she saw on TV commercials! When the pills she was taking made her crazy in the head, & she began to react negatively, guess what they did? They weaned her off the meds, only to put her on OTHER meds! They did this for nearly a decade before I checked things out & stepped in to put a stop to it. They COULD have caused her permanent damage (& they MAY have, for all I know), with any one of the 4 meds they had her on.

Hey, I've had suicidal thoughts. I ain't ashamed to say it. I was SMART enough not to act on them...I was PERSISTANT enough not to give in to those feelings...AND, I had friends & family, who have helped me through the bad times.

THAT is the way we were designed to go through life. You aren't depressed because you have a low seratonin level: you have a low seratonin level because you are depressed. Change the thinking. Change the outlook. Stop the internal dialogue. Get BUSY, & you will solve the depression.

Life isn't supposed to be easy as pie all the time. You are SUPPOSED to experience to bad along with the good. Quit trying to cheat yourself out of your life experiences, your like lessons, by taking a f*cking pill. You're better off offing yourself, imho, than putting your very sanity into the hands of another, one who has no frikken idea what he's doing!

Phil I was diagnosed as clinically depressed in 1997 and you are right they put me on meds. I hated the meds within a couple of months I quit taking the sh!t (threw it in the trash) and decided the only person that could help me get better was ME! so I did!

philbymon wrote:Sorry, Stranger, but I disagree 1,000%!!!!

Enforced behaviors & "proper thinking" should NEVER be mandated through the use of experimental drugs. ALL of those anti-depressants & such are experimental, btw.

There are a plethora of reasons to commit the act, & a few of them are perfectly understandable, for one thing.

For another, Good friends & plenty of activity are far safer alternatives to the questionable drugs, & have no side effects.

Keep the f*ckin' pills where they belong - in the test labs - & off the streets, & away from innocent ppl, because there ain't a goddamned doctor alive who can tell you what they'll do to you!!!!

Spoken like a man who has never suffered from paranoia.
I've suffered from depression, but it doesn't hold a candle to paranoia.
You'd be willing to take anything to make it go away.

I think I agree with you about depression though. To a point.

I honestly believe that there isn't any of what they used to call "neuroses" that cannot be changed with the proper training & mentor. Unfortunately, we, in the west, have been taught to believe in a medical community that is far more interested in treating symptoms rather than curing problems, Zip.

You're right. I've never experienced paranoia to any clinical level, but that doesn't make me wrong in my assumption that it would be far better to overcome it in ways other than medication.

I'm not judging you in any way, Zip, or being in any way glib or condescending, when I say that I honestly believe that, barring some birth defect or actual brain damage from a blow to the head, your condition would probably be treated another way in many parts of the world, without drug dependence, & most likely CURED, as well.

That being said, if what you're doing is working for you, then, by all means, continue, & ignore my personal beliefs.

I've heard about several studies that found the best treatments for depression are:

1) Exercise
2) A change in Diet
3) A change in scenery


For exercise, a hard workout puts more dopamine in your brain than any pill. Changing your diet changes your body chemistry naturally, go for greener stuff and everything sorks smoother.

My first couple months at college, I rarely left my dorm room, other than for class. Soon, I quit going to class. I started skipping meals and living off ramen and butterfinger bars. I slept all day and cut all social contact. I tried to care, but couldn't. It came to a head when I got ahold of some booze, got good and smashed, and blubbered over MSN to some poor woman in Canada I've never met in person. Come fall break, I'm a wreck. But when I go home, just being somewhere different popped me right out of that rut. Additionally, my mother forced me to eat heathy meals on a regular schedule, and everything I wanted to do when I was home was within walking distance. When I got back to college, I pulled myself together. I think I've managed to salvage most of my grades (my GPA still won't be pretty), and I'm starting to get out more.

The only time I suffer from paranoia is after smokin a fatty!

I've been to a point where I did not care if I lived or died.
Presently, I want to LIVE because I love life, but I do not fear death any longer. Perhaps that is why I love life so much.

I've wanted to kill others, but never myself.

My personal and professional observations led to my belief that the mental state determines the chemical balance of the brain.
Not the other way around.

I'll never understand suicide ... makes no sense what so ever.

Shame the friends I've lost that way ... dumbasses ... I still love and miss them.

I've had generalized anxiety disorder and depression since a teenager. I didn't take any pills, I'd just drink to forget it. My mom would give me valiums when I had an episode. They'd go and come. Then they got worse and worse. So bad I had a nervous breakdown in 2005. They put me on a bunch of different pills and they only made it worse. I tried the natural thing, the raw food diet, different natural supplements, whatever I could. I had Reiki done and other spiritual stuff. I'd do well for six months and then I'd crash harder than before. More drugs, then I'd get sicker. Psychiatrists told me to call them if there was a problem. I told them there were problems, and they got mad at me and just told me to take the drugs. I was deemed a difficult patient because I wouldn't take the meds. Some of the meds made me suicidal. Like I'd be driving down the street and want to drive into a brick wall. The others just made me feel like Night of the Living Dead, plus I was still depressed. One drug they put me on, I felt like a heroine addicts, slurring and stumbling. I told her the pill made me high. She told me to take it anyway. I dumped it in the trash. I got yelled at for refusing to want to get better.

I tried a new fresh food, raw foods diet. I was doing great but then this time, my depression tried another thing on me. It will make me sleep deprived. I couldn't sleep for like five days in a row. I was so loopy everyone was ready to lock me away.

Here's the thing about depression. It's goes far beyond just feeling down. You feel ill. Like you took some drug that made you loopy, there were times when I actually felt my brain moving in my head. I had really bad heart palpitations. Have worn a heart monitor twice. You hurt physically yet all the medical tests reveal nothing. You feel like you've been buried in a dark pit where you feel nothing. You can't get out of bed some days. Someone could have pointed a rifle at your head and blown your head off and you wouldn't have cared. You refuse to be around knives and other metals because there's the voices telling you to do some of the most horrible things known to man. At least my spirit guides had louder voices. Then you lose the friends. You get the "well I've been down and I got over it."

Sorry Phil, it does not take a year to get over depression. For some people, it can be years.

Can you get by without the drugs. Yes, I believe you can. In the right setting, with the right therapies you can survive to not even need the stuff. But that's stuff for rich people. Honestly, if you didn't have to work, have the stress of paying bills, kids, a marriage, you could spend like a month up in the mountains and come back a whole new person. But again, unless you have no responsibilities or you're rich, ain't gonna happen.

I finally get a really good doctor. He let me sit there for 90 minutes and tell him everything. I'd never seen my old doctors for more than 15 minutes before they were throwing pills at me. I told him how I hated my doctors, the meds and so on. He looked at all my medical tests, my mental history and everything. He told me I needed to be on something because for so many years, it was obvious that I had a problem. There were only like three left I hadn't tried. I opted for Cymbalta. Then he put me on a sleeping pill, Tamazapam so I could sleep.

Where the hell were these drugs when I first got sick? My first week on Cymbalta I began to feel like my old self again. Happy like I was before I had my first breakdown from like five years before. I felt euphoric, happy even. And the sleeping pill, I could sleep again. I lost like 20 pounds of weight that I'd gained five years before because of my depression and the meds. I had 0 side effects and I feel normal. For five frickin' years I felt like a walking zombie because of the drugs, twitches, mood swings.

It's been 1.5 years and I'm still on the lowest dose. I've hadn't had one episode with my anxiety or panic.

Meds aren't all bad, you just have to look at the severity of the problem. If it's minor, some people could change their diet, make lifestyle changes and that might be a fix. However, if you find yourself getting worse, it may be worth it to look into getting a health workup to find out if a medical condition is causing the problem, a lack of supplements and so on. Then if you've done all that and you still aren't better? Then find a psychiatrist who will listen to you. Sorry, I hate to say this, but most of my doctors were foreign. They were the most likely to have an overload of patients, had no time for you and would just throw pills at you. I found an American doctor and one that would listen to me, take into account my medical history, not hand me a questionnaire to fill out and diagnose me from that. People have to realize that they have to be their own best advocate and not just accept what these people say because they're doctors.


Chaeya