Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:31 pmby dizzizz
Thoughts on the first one: First, when I say that nothing you can say will shake my faith, I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you to bring it on. And honestly, Jesus is more important than anything you, or I, have to say. That doesn't mean I won't listen to what you're saying and respond as best as I am able.
[url]Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I'm not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it's everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I'm raising now is enough that I don't need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day.[/url]
Other than the "Don't need heaven" part, I agree. I ask for guidance when I ask for anything. Mostly, I give thanks.
[quote]No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future[/url]
It does, hmmm? God means the possibility of heaven. Sounds like no suffering at all to me...
I need to go to class. Until then, your second link seems broken.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:47 pmby Mike Nobody
dizzizz wrote: Until then, your second link seems broken.
Works fine. The second line isn’t a link.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:17 pmby Sir Jamsalot
Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.
groovy.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:24 pmby Mike Nobody
SirJamsalot wrote:Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.
groovy.
I like audio files.
I just put those up if someone's interested. They're not a substitute for anything.
Besides, I'd rather talk with someone than just make a list
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:57 pmby Sir Jamsalot
Mike Nobody wrote:SirJamsalot wrote:Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.
groovy.
I like audio files.
I just put those up if someone's interested. They're not a substitute for anything.
Besides, I'd rather talk with someone than just make a list
hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:16 pmby Mike Nobody
KLUGMO wrote:Hey Nobody.
Once in a while you should listen to some
beautiful music. It would do you good.
Just close your eyes, think about your
first Love and listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK53LpdW-lI
Oh yeah, turn it up.
Been awhile since I've listened to Johnny Mathis. Thanks.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:20 pmby Mike Nobody
SirJamsalot wrote:hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related
That was really asinine. "Naturalism = No Free Will?" Now, if he doesn't believe the physical world can INFLUENCE thinking, he's apparently never been drunk.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pmby gbheil
Humm that's funny.
Just talked to him.
He said he loves you.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:19 pmby Sir Jamsalot
Mike Nobody wrote:SirJamsalot wrote:hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related
That was really asinine. "Naturalism = No Free Will?" Now, if he doesn't believe the physical world can INFLUENCE thinking, he's apparently never been drunk.
Here's another link for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3mc_yBW ... re=related
it's a bit more entertaining than the last video.
Bahnsen isn't saying we don't have free will. He's saying that if you believe that Natural law explains the world, then you're left with the asinine belief that we don't have free will. After all, if your explanation of human experience is that natural law dictates what can and cannot happen - then all your thoughts and actions are likewise dictated by natural law, since naturalism says your brain is nothing more than physical gray matter subject to natural law.
cheers.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:27 pmby Chippy
So far as I can see?
There is no link, but what you personally make of it.
Posted:
Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:51 pmby Mike Nobody
SirJamsalot wrote:it's a bit more entertaining than the last video.
Bahnsen isn't saying we don't have free will. He's saying that if you believe that Natural law explains the world, then you're left with the asinine belief that we don't have free will. After all, if your explanation of human experience is that natural law dictates what can and cannot happen - then all your thoughts and actions are likewise dictated by natural law, since naturalism says your brain is nothing more than physical gray matter subject to natural law.
cheers.
I don’t see how natural law would negate Free Will. Granted, our choices are limited by what is possible. But, we have the capacity to think abstractly.
George Smith has a lot more patience than most would with Greg Bahnsen.
