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Last night's show was the best I've seen in a long time. There was also this little gem:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-a ... view-pt--1

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-a ... view-pt--2

IS he a sleezeball? I dunno...I've personally gone through some of that legal bullshit, & I can see how anyone could really be railroaded by the system...then again...he IS a politician, so by definition...

So which is it: Fox News is Evil or Stupid? Too bad there's not a choice C: all of the above.

The main thing Fox is guilty of, is not mentioning that ANOTHER investor in Park51 (The so-called Ground Zero Mosque) is also an investor in NewsCorp, parent company to Fox News. But Jon Stewart almost makes it seem, as if the Fox pundits are talking about Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and not mentioning his name, when they are actually talking about Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam behind the planning of the Mosque and Cultural Center. And even then, I am not sure it required a disclosure. The pundits' concerns are over the IMAM, and those NOT NAMED in the funding of the building.

Stewart is trying to make the point that Fox News is also guilty of "funding terrorism" by association, and yet, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the 19th richest person in the world according to Forbes, has not been accused of funding terrorism, that I am aware of.

Stewart also neglects to mention that the Prince also owns close to 4% of CitiBank, he owns substantial shares in MCI, Apple, Motorola and AOL, whose parent company until very recently was... Time Warner... parent company of... gee... CNN! Was CNN funding terror too? Time Warner also used to own Comedy Central... Jon Stewart's home base.

In any event, the Prince is the 19th richest person in the world. He is an investor, and a media mogul in his own right. It is true that the Prince owns nearly 7% of Murdoch's NewsCorp, but it is also true that Murdoch owns 9% (2% more) of the Prince's parent media company. In fact, Murdoch and the Prince are in partnership on a news channel that will be in Arabic and compete with Al Jazeera and Al-Arabiyya, and be poised as a more balanced network for Arab viewers. Not being blatantly pro American or against.

I think this same prince gave 25 Million to Harvard University awhile back too.

Stewart's game of "association" being turned back on Fox, is not really accurate in my view. The idea that we are all separated by no more than 6 degrees, may very well be true, but where you are on that chain... MATTERS! Jon Stewart having a maid, who has a brother in Kuwait, which is married to the daughter of a wealthy sheik, whose limo driver has a brother who is in a terrorist organization, is NOT THE SAME, as Jon Stewart going into business WITH the terrorist member HIMSELF.

70% of the public opposes this Mosque/Cultural Center, and Fox is just playing to it's base, trying to shake the money-tree up, and see if something untoward falls out.

Fox can be accused (I suppose) of walking a fine line with that report, but so too does Jon Stewart walk an even finer line, with his criticisms.

Funny stuff, to be sure.

But Stewart is being MORE DISENGENOUS than the media company he accuses of the same!

But, that's show business for ya!

Furthermore , CNBC , A company owned by GE has reigned in the consortium of reporters that were becoming too free market oriented, Rick Santelli, and Kramer. Do you want me to explain about GE?

Even Glenn Beck can become a Bore. It seems the important issues are avoided and Not reported properly by any media. I base most of what I see on actual experience.

To hire a person and pay them $50,000 a year I have to shell out another $30,000 in taxes, Unemployment, compensation, Fica, MTA, then we get into the regs and rule keeping, Let alone offer great bennies. Then I have to put the equipment in place. Van $20,000. Stock,$10,000. Insurance on one commercial vehicle,$5,000. Return for all this risk $ minimal. Thank you NY.

Now lets talk about all the assholes that think that stealing from me and every hard working American is JUST. See the barrel of my gun...



BOOM!

Um...it's called sarcasm.

You can make the 6 degrees argument against anyone. That was the point that Stewart was making. He isn't seriously saying that Fox is funding terrorism. He's saying that Fox IS putting the idea that, "the funding for the mosque is backed by terrorists who want to get a toehold in this country," into the minds of millions of gullible Americans, with their cute little phrases & pointed questions designed to alarm us all.

He's simply poking fun at the scare tactics that this sensationalist right-wing news media use against us every day, over just about any issue.

I thought it was pure genius.

One of my wife's most liberal friends worked all summer teaching as a professor to help out keeping up with the bills. Her husband's business is failing because because of taxes.
She thought that she would have enough to do repairs on her car. Shock,, taxes withheld put that idea on hold.
Boy what a change in attitude,,, That means the mechanic doesn't get the job, the parts supplier doesn't get a job, The kid delivering the parts doesn't get the job, the manufacturer of replacement parts doesn't get the job, the line worker gets laid off, and the roach coach that used to come around all the time said screw this stop if you can't even sell a cup of coffee.

This is Trickle down economics at its best and this is what is going on all over our nation.

Meanwhile we have a government playing up to people expecting to be supported by all the other hard working Americans . Annie get my gun.....

philbymon wrote:
Um...it's called sarcasm.

You can make the 6 degrees argument against anyone. That was the point that Stewart was making.

Yes! And he made it INCORRECTLY!!!

Stewart never suggested that this Saudi Prince, the 19th richest man in the world, had similar ties as the Imam, did he? He did not. He only compared it with his nationality, and by default, his RELIGION! "Hey look... Fox News has a Muslim investor too!"

philbymon wrote:
I thought it was pure genius.

It's not "genius". It is HUMOR parading as facts.

Fu-ck Beck. FU-CK MSNBC. FU-CK anybody that stands in my way of helping my friends. I am sick of having so much taken away in the name of taxes that I don't have enough to help an 80+ year old veteran ww2. I don't have the reserve to help the people that seem to always slip through the cracks.

60 years ago a young man was almost guaranteed that if he worked hard and was frugal his home would be payed off and he would have enough to retire on from savings, pension, and "social security" THATS BEEN GONE FOR YEARS. Why ,,,taxes and government waste.

Have we all forgotten that!!!!! I have seen so much hardship that I have to take every media outlet with trepidation.

Are you suggesting that Fox's argument was a more correct one?

Or was it sneaky snide questions & remarks used to cloak their overall desire to keep us divided, & to feed the racist frenzy over the mosque issue? It all comes down to ratings, man. If they can keep ppl stirred up over inane nonsense, they keep their numbers up, & to hell with "facts" or "truth." Let's just keep stirring the pot, & making $ hand over fist.

That's the only reason that the major investor, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, would put up with their bullshit, ain't it? They're making him $.

Look, I freely admit that I think it's in very poor taste for any moslem to WANT to put a mosque in the location where terrorists killed so many in the name of his religion.

I think it's a slap in the face to every peaceful moslem on the face of the Earth, & a thumb in the eye of every non-moslem out there.

I don't think those are racist remarks, but simply a social commentary.

Why the hell can't Fox do the same thing? Hell, even THAT isn't "news," but it's far better than the sh*t they present on any given day.

Why do they always have to put up such a front with the spider-web maps of who's backing who, & the endless conspiracy theories? Why they cannot simply state facts, instead of posing leading questions & using snide remarks & innuendos is beyond me, but I find it very lacking in actual news, & downright nasty to ppl & organizations that often don't deserve the bullshit.

I used to laugh at England's tabloid journalism, but I don't anymore, cuz ours has become ten times worse.

And what about the sensationalist left wing media.
How about the most racist comment made on modern TV. NO ONE REPORTED IT!

"Rich WHITE executives that move to the suburbs to avoid supporting the education of inner city children".

speech on FINREG.

Nancy Pelosie,," WE will just have to pass this bill so we can find out what is in it."

Does anyone realize how this makes all Americans look like ANAL PORES in the eyes of the rest of the world,,,, Those stupid Americans are writing laws and they don't even know what they are writing.....

Sorry Jimmy I've been trying to be cool about staying away from these polit views . You started it, Not me !

Yep. Just as bad, Glen.

Our news media is fulla bulla.

But...but...but...I thought I started this? Hwy does jimmy get all the credit?



Oh, & Craig, whether you think he's right or wrong makes no difference. I still think it's hilarious.

Yeah, I know Phil, It was funny, but the reality is not. The barbs being traded back and forth from politicians on all sides are overwhelming to the average voter. Compound that with a news media,paper, TV, internet. The bottom line is Americans are being overwhelmed by lies.

The bottom line is everyone here would be much better off ,if our majority would just stand up and say I need to to keep more of my money to keep myself financially whole and stable. This is American. Then we would have the freedom and resources to share without government encumbrances.

We have forgotten,,,

geeze what utter horseshit.

Don't you old codgers have anything better to do than run your ever-loving yap?

philbymon wrote:
Are you suggesting that Fox's argument was a more correct one?

The Fox pundits didn't have an argument. They alluded to questionable ties by this Imam to radicals, and they called for the list of major donors to be looked into. I don't think that is unreasonable, given the sensitive nature of the project in relation to it's location, as basically a part of ground zero.

But... Claiming that Obama was raised as a Muslim and attended a Madrasah as a child? Both stories were untrue, but that didn't stop Fox from claiming that it was true, on their morning show, during the elections.

THAT was improper, and shoddy reporting.... Not this!

philbymon wrote:
Or was it sneaky snide questions & remarks used to cloak their overall desire to keep us divided

Fox News has no secret desire to "divide" us. They have a very open and obvious desire to... be successful, and to... MAKE MONEY! Sensational stories keeps ratings up. But with 70% of the public against this Mosque, the story is ALREADY sensational. They don't need to make anything up.

They are calling for public disclosure of the secret donors behind this. This thing is in effect, a part of ground zero, and it costs a staggering 100 Million dollars U.S. - It's not just Fox... "I" would like to know what organizations have committed funds to the project. So too, I believe, would the MAJORITY of Americans!

philbymon wrote:
That's the only reason that the major investor, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, would put up with their bullshit, ain't it? They're making him $.

I think it is obvious, that BOTH BILLIONAIRES, plan on making money off EACH OTHER! Personally I think their joint project, an Arab News Show that will compete with Al Jazeera, could be very powerful, in offering the Arab world a more independent voice in news, spoken in their own language. Maybe it will give them REAL choices, and open some minds?

philbymon wrote:
Look, I freely admit that I think it's in very poor taste for any moslem to WANT to put a mosque in the location where terrorists killed so many in the name of his religion.

I don't think it is in poor taste myself. The initial feeling, I admit, is one of shock or incredulousness, but a little logic, tells someone, that it is wrong to blame an entire religion, for the radicals among it's ranks. There are plenty of "Christians" responsible for heinous and even terrorist acts, but we can't blame the religion itself, for the whackos who claim allegiance to that particular faith.

I agree with Obama on this, that Muslims have just as much right to purchase property and use it for their religion, as Christians or Buddhists do! If the group backed down, it would be, in effect, a decree, accepting blame and responsibility for 9/11.

But realizing that many (hell... MOST) Americans, will not separate themselves from the EMOTION of the issue, and deal only in the facts, I think they would have been wiser, to call it a "Peace Center" or maybe: "The Muslim Center for Interfaith Dialogue" billing it as a place of dialogue for interfaith cooperation, and a better understanding of Muslim theology.

But too much pandering, and they look like they are accepting guilt for something that is probably NONE of their faults.

I would have liked to see donations coming in from MANY RELIGIONS for a project like that, with these other faiths making the statement... "We support your peaceful project, and we won't let the extremist radicals prevent progress, in interfaith dialogue, and we won't allow radicals to get away with acting as if THEY are the voice of Islam.

Something like that would have shown sensitivity by the Muslims creating this project, and would have shown a higher nature, by those of other faiths... hell... by AMERICA herself! A statement that Americans oppose VIOLENT RADICALS, but not the Muslim religion as a whole.