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I guess the Supreme Court is next

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:49 pm
by philbymon

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:53 pm
by gbheil
The court system was never intended to override the vote.
Another shinning example of the In-Justice system out of control.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:59 pm
by philbymon
True...but it WAS designed to be a check to make sure that the gov't does afford everyone with equal rights as stated under our constitution.
What they're saying, here, sans, is that this is an issue that should never have been put up for a popular vote. The whole idea of affording some the rights over others is unconstitutional in concept. That's EXACTLY what the court was set up to do.
Our gov't was NOT set up as a 'majority rules' sort of thing. Check out your Thomas Jefferson, your Bill Of Rights.
No, over-riding the vote was what they did to put GWB in office. This is QUITE different.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:08 pm
by gbheil
I am quite familiar with our governmental structure. Confusing as it is. Government and History were minors of study for me.
I don't see it as a question of equality.
Marriage is a union between man and woman by definition.
Nothing wrong with social unions that carry all the rights and burdens of marriage. It is just not " marriage "
Now some son of a bitch will want to marry his gerbil.
There are definitions in law.
To change those definitions for a special interest group?
That is unconstitutional.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:09 pm
by philbymon
No, that is a matter for the Supreme Court to determine. Not you or I. Neither of us is qualified.
As it stands, the opinions of the many are out-weighing the needs of the few, by a single religious definition that was NEVER intended to be "one man & one woman," until it was REdefined that way in the 19th century, in THIS country, to control those pesky Mormons.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:19 pm
by gbheil
God determined it long before the Supreme Court became a reality
And will stand in judgment long after it's all passed to dust.
Not to begin another religious debate.
Just saying, I only recognize one authority ... mine ( oops )
I mean ... er ... ah ... GOD
I still say the vote is the trump card ... the court serves the voter.
The voter does not serve the court.
Even the decision of the supreme court is based on a vote.
The Vote is the defining principal of a republic.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:22 pm
by philbymon
No, the vote is the defining principle of a democracy. Our republic has fail-safes in place to protect the needs of the few, which may over-ride any vote.
We COULD have voted at any time to reinstate slavery, but our Constitution forbids it, now.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:23 pm
by Slacker G
Now isn't that up to the one who invented marriage to decide?

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:24 pm
by philbymon
Not when it comes to matters of law, SG.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:26 pm
by gbheil
We can vote in a new constitution.
That is also in the constitution.
Vote trumps.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:27 pm
by philbymon
Until we do, the SC decides, does it not?

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:31 pm
by gbheil
Yes. Kind like the chicken or the egg ain't it.
We could drink beers and debate this all night.
Let's put it to a ... VOTE


Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:36 pm
by philbymon
Your problem would seem to be a relatively minor one, to me, though. A simple matter of semantics. Would you not allow these ppl, who have devoted themselves to a monogamous relationship just as any heterosexual judeo-christian, the same insurance coverage, the same tax breaks, Social Security, credit, retirement benefits, etc?
When it comes down to it, sans, in the original text of the Bible, I truly doubt that the word they used even WAS 'marriage.' And as I said above, our gov't has already redefined the term, once, for political reasons.

Posted:
Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:54 pm
by gbheil
Perhaps I am mistaken.
First off, to my knowledge no one is denying anyone any rights. Only the use of the term "marriage" and the license that goes with it.
The State of California's social union laws apply all rights equally already.
This includes insurance, pensions, ETC.
The whole movement is about normalizing perversion by calling it marriage, which it is not. Not anyone being denied any benefits already guaranteed by law.. Calling your cat , dog, does not make him a dog.
Same sex couple deserve all the rights as anyone else IMO.
That is the American way.
Though I still contend that changing a definition for a special interest group is a violation of the rights of the public as a whole.
Rights can be maintained without violating the sanctity of marriage.
Or changing legal definitions that will only lead to more chaos.