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OK I know I'm in the minority here but...
I like rap too. I like the cream off the crop of most genres.
I love biggie smalls delivery. He is truly unique. I can't believe however how not dissonant but how much the slightly sung girl chorus does not go with that excellent sampled bass part. Hit 2:00 to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk4ftn4PArg

It is in key by itself but it just does NOT go with that bass part.

Kid Rock's guitarist is a clueless hack. His solo in "all summer long" Just stays about a step off from greatness. I remember the first time I heard it I kept expecting him to walk it up.... moron never did. It just stays in that "next block over from the party" key and never arrives. Starts at 2:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA

Other songs with weird stuff that doesn't belong????

Don't feel to bad, Paul. I'm in the minority, too, when I listen to "Another Brick In The Wall, Pt I," I think it is.

When they sing out that anthem "We don't need no education," I find myself hoping for a really huge, strong lead to hold that mood.

It's about the only complaint I've ever had about the great Gilmour, cuz I find that lead to be so frikken wimpy I wanna hit something every time I hear it. It's the absolute worst he ever sounded to me. Yeah, the notes all fit & such, but he destroyed the mood of the song for me.

I'll shut up, now, & let the flaming begin...(I'm sure I deserve it on some level)

I'm on board with that idea Phil. I think I remember you saying that before.

"The Wall" was drivel. Roger Waters had too much control of that overblown tripe. Floyd peaked at "Meddle" and gradually became unimportant, even as their number of sales and legion of fans increased.

jimmydanger wrote:"The Wall" was drivel. Roger Waters had too much control of that overblown tripe. Floyd peaked at "Meddle" and gradually became unimportant, even as their number of sales and legion of fans increased.

Are you absolutely mental?
You type the weirdest crap sometimes.

Some Rap is really cool. I think that just because it seems to be everywhere we just don't listen to the lyric perhaps. I know some really good poets, they are all rappers for the most part.

gtZip wrote:

jimmydanger wrote:"The Wall" was drivel. Roger Waters had too much control of that overblown tripe. Floyd peaked at "Meddle" and gradually became unimportant, even as their number of sales and legion of fans increased.

Are you absolutely mental?
You type the weirdest crap sometimes.

Not sure which part is weird, maybe you could point that out. It's my opinion. I've been a Floyd fan from the beginning so I think my opinion is valid. You could go on various Floyd chat rooms and hear the same thing. I've seen them in concert three times: The Meddle Tour, Dark Side of the Moon and The Division Bell. And as they became a commodity their music became less artistically important. I personally can't stand the Wall, and I'm not a huge a Roger Water's fan, sorry.

P.S. Hey Paul, I thought this thread was going to be about the Chevy Nova.

jimmydanger wrote:
P.S. Hey Paul, I thought this thread was going to be about the Chevy Nova.

Nova! Does not go!!! Lol!

I'm disappointed that you guys aren't responding with at least responses to the specific parts I posted. I'd like to hear some you've noticed.

Check out this one. "Kiss me through the phone"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_N0Bde6GN4

The vox at :13 are in key, relatively hooky and "normal". Then the vox that come in at :39 - :44 are just wrong. Practically dissonant. I don't get it. I don't get it how a producer let it through and I really don't understand how the singer, yes he is singing with notes not rapping, could make that up??!!

jimmydanger wrote:

gtZip wrote:

jimmydanger wrote:"The Wall" was drivel. Roger Waters had too much control of that overblown tripe. Floyd peaked at "Meddle" and gradually became unimportant, even as their number of sales and legion of fans increased.

Are you absolutely mental?
You type the weirdest crap sometimes.

Not sure which part is weird, maybe you could point that out. It's my opinion. I've been a Floyd fan from the beginning so I think my opinion is valid. You could go on various Floyd chat rooms and hear the same thing. I've seen them in concert three times: The Meddle Tour, Dark Side of the Moon and The Division Bell. And as they became a commodity their music became less artistically important. I personally can't stand the Wall, and I'm not a huge a Roger Water's fan, sorry.

P.S. Hey Paul, I thought this thread was going to be about the Chevy Nova.

Its weird because I have never heard or seen anyone have that opinion.
There may be some people that share your opinion, but they would be in the minority.
It struck me much in much the same way that reading "Lincoln was the worst president ever" would have.

It's not the first time a statement from you has made me scratch my head and wonder what planet you're from either.

neanderpaul wrote:I'm disappointed that you guys aren't responding with at least responses to the specific parts I posted. I'd like to hear some you've noticed.

Check out this one. "Kiss me through the phone"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_N0Bde6GN4

The vox at :13 are in key, relatively hooky and "normal". Then the vox that come in at :39 - :44 are just wrong. Practically dissonant. I don't get it. I don't get it how a producer let it through and I really don't understand how the singer, yes he is singing with notes not rapping, could make that up??!!

I've been wracking me brain trying to come up with one.

maybe the intro to Long Time by Boston? Same with the anticlimactic thing... it sounds like a fukn hurricane is coming, then.................
as far a unfitting parts... Free Bird

Neander, the bass part in the back ground is from a sampling of a Herb Alpert hit from the eighties. The chorus is indeed singing in a different key. You would have been a kickass classical musician, my man.

I am a fan of rap, but just because something is rap doesn't mean that I like it. There is rap that I really like and there is rap that makes me want to take a flying leap. Personally I don't like sampling. It's like, some rappers want to do a "fast food" job. "let's getit done before someone shoots me". Now this is a great rap...My son made a CD with nothing but my favorite funk tunes and this is one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4CgnXs9tw

Another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0c2ZAe ... re=related

You know Mary that is in a different key. They could have digitally "transposed" it. But the part that "goes up a step", the part after the five notes, the two notes, is "longer". The biggie version is a slide up. The Herb song is a hammer on. It does not sound like a sample to me. They could have just played it on a bass or a synth. I always thought it was a Michael McDonald sample. But listening back that would be even more work to sample and edit. Could have been done though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2iFqcFcdBU



On a side note.... I LOVE Herb Alpert!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_KDPUTyDyQ&feature=related

Here's another I can't believe didn't get edited with autotune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFbho5zUVdQ

The phrase that starts at 2:17.
The capitalized words in the following lyrics are OFF KEY!!!

Imma be in the club doin whatEVER II LIKE. Imma be poppin that BUBBLY, COOLIN AND LIVIN' THAT GOOD LIFE.

I just don't understand how the producers came to the conclusion that that sounds good. I like that song. I like the black eyed peas. I just don't get this off key crap. Perhaps I'm getting old. Perhaps this is exactly how people felt about bent blues notes. Notes that I think of as emotional. Maybe people used to think they were just bad before the blues so hugely influenced the world. I mean people around the world become accustomed to semi-tones in their daily consumed music. Maybe it's just what we get used to through exposure.