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Arizona is a border state. They are one of the main entry places for illegal people and drugs, which means they suffer all the violence and expenses that go with fighting it, to protect their citizens.

But let's worry instead, about the "undocumented" people's "rights".

If someone slipped into YOUR house in the middle of the night Jimmy, and slept on your sofa and went through your fridge, etc... Would you also pat THEM on the back as a welcome "undocumented" member of your home? Or would you call the police?

Answer that.

Well, we know the answer don't we?

But somehow, there is one standard for people being in your HOME illegally, and being in your COUNTRY illegally. But there SHOULDN'T be. It is virtually the same thing.

I don't agree with racial profiliing.

But Arizona says this is NOT racial profiling. It will have to be up to federal courts most likely, to settle which is true. But to just judge the whole state of Arizona, for trying to PROTECT their citizens, and REDUCE their great expenses, just because they happen to be a BORDER STATE, is unfair.

What if YOUR taxes were going up sky-high, because of illegal aliens?

What if crime was UP in YOUR state because of illegal aliens?

What if YOUR son was waiting longer for medical service in the emergency room, because they were filled with people, who had NO LEGAL RIGHT to even be here.

And WHAT IN THE HELL makes Mexico and Guatemala think they can actually DICTATE our policy, on THEIR citizens COMING HERE ILLEGALLY and then being DEPORTED???

Mexico is going to complain about OUR immigration policy, when their criminals are actually CROSSING OUR BORDERS and KIDNAPPING AMERICAN CITIZENS, and holding them for ransom, and sometimes just killing them!!!!!

THAT should be an act of WAR!!!!

Shame on you Jimmy, if you cannot understand the THREAT this all represents! And how much more serious THAT REALITY is, RIGHT NOW! American citiznes are being KIDNAPPED from THEIR OWN COUNTRY and being taken into MEXICO.... RIGHT NOW!!!

Worried about THAT at all?

MSNBC. ANTI IMMIGRATION LAW.

NO NO NO NO

ANTI ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

Big difference and this is why people start to believe this crap.


If you get stopped and you don't have ID that means you are most likely breaking the law.Prove that you haven't broken the law and go on from there.Everytime you pass a DWI or Seatbelt checkpoint , what is the difference? Complain because they are profiling ugly people?

That has become the NORM in this country. Is it really OK to break the law?
What is the first thing that person did entering the country without papers?

BREAK THE LAW.

Sorry if it bothers some ppl, but clearly something must be done to stop the swarms of illegals entering our country. I don't think it's wrong to check ppl's ID when you find the need to pull them over. I see nothing in the law that MY state doesn't already do.

If you get pulled over, your ID is checked. It SHOULD be against both state & federal law to be in either place illegally, & "thousands" SHOULD be deported, if there are thousands of illegals in one's state.

"Illegal" is just that. Nothing more nor less. The authorities need these tactics, when ppl can blend in so easily, & frankly, I'm surprized the law is needed at all, since it's such common practice throughout the country.

I'm sick of ppl whining & fighting for illegals, & the pres's remarks disappoint me.

philbymon wrote:Sorry if it bothers some ppl, but clearly something must be done to stop the swarms of illegals entering our country. I don't think it's wrong to check ppl's ID when you find the need to pull them over. I see nothing in the law that MY state doesn't already do.

If you get pulled over, your ID is checked. It SHOULD be against both state & federal law to be in either place illegally, & "thousands" SHOULD be deported, if there are thousands of illegals in one's state.

"Illegal" is just that. Nothing more nor less. The authorities need these tactics, when ppl can blend in so easily, & frankly, I'm surprized the law is needed at all, since it's such common practice throughout the country.

I'm sick of ppl whining & fighting for illegals, & the pres's remarks disappoint me.

I agree. Illegal is illegal. It is about time those in power stop giving away the inheritance of our children, and putting them into future bankruptcy by spending the taxes we pay to support the every need of those who are criminals. That is what anyone who BREAKS THE LAW is called, isn't it?
The suns a bitches aren't suppose to be here. It's the law. How about enforcing it? I'm sick and tired of selective law enforcement. If they can break the law with the blessings of the powers that be, I should also be allowed to do so whenever I desire to do so.
It's only fair. I shouldn't have to pay taxes if they don't have to come here legally. I should have a say in how my money is spent, after all, I earn it. I don't work for their future, I work for my children and grand children's futures. So just what is so unfair about that?? What IS unfair is giving their future away by bankrupting this nation.

I know, here come the bleeding heart liberals to flame away.

There's that "shame on you" again.



Shame on you, Craig!

I've personally been waiting for this for years. EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE US SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT!

As a quick example: My company was doing a lot of work at the NJ Intec plant where they make asphalt shingles. One day over 80 people were called into the conference room of the company. Every single one of them was a Puerto Rican or Cuban. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was also using a dead person's social security number from Florida. Luckily in this case, they were all arrested on the spot and deported. What a sight to see as we watched the immigration officials load over 80 people onto buses and take them away.

The sad part is that if those idiots were actually making a good product, then the whistle may not have been blown on all of them. Big business and union bosses love illegals...just ask them. And hence...I don't like big business and union bosses at all.

Someone had to take the first step...now it's time for the rest of the country to rise to the occasion.

well lets see.... WE got the Patriot Act to help "secure" our borders against "Terrorists" which means WE gave up many of OUR rights and liberties in exchange for security...
How many illegal aliens cross our borders every day?
It's OK to cross if your... South or Central American?
We are now to fight for illegals aliens rights?

So where exactly do WE gain from this so called Patriot Act and WHO exactly is it supposed to protect us from?

Are WE more safe and secure because of it?

Did it make our borders more secure?

Is this just another part of our governments useless (not pointless, there is a point to it, but not for our benefit) security apparatus?

Keep em out, let em in?

WTF?

dECHO, in a more perfect scenario, your co should have been either fined or dismantled, & those responsible for those illegals should have been jailed. Of course, we're so worried about the effects on the economy that we'd never actually DO anything to a large co that does this sh*t, right?

philbymon wrote:dECHO, in a more perfect scenario, your co should have been either fined or dismantled, & those responsible for those illegals should have been jailed. Of course, we're so worried about the effects on the economy that we'd never actually DO anything to a large co that does this sh*t, right?

The company wasn't necessarily at fault here.

He said that the illegals DID have social security numbers.

It's the government's responsibility to catch illegal ID's being used because the people are... DEAD! Some government agency knows they're dead after all, right?

Um...the tone of his response tells me that his co knew they were illegals, or suspected it at the very least, or they wouldn't have turned them in. If that could be proven to be true, if they knew prior to hiring, then the co should be dismantled, ppl should be arrested, etc, imo.

SSI is not a law enforcement outfit. Seems to me that this would fall under the IRS' domain. It would require more personnel & additional 'puter programs to work properly, again at the cost of the citizenry. (I'd be all for it, of course, "liberal spender" that I am!)

Still, the fact of the matter remains that they have no right to work here, or buy anything here, or BE here. We have had many busts in my area, too, mostly in the restaurant businesses. I'm waiting for them to start checking into the construction biz, but they seem very lax about it all to me.

Dan Ryan, a local huge construction outfit, hires latinos nearly exclusively. I see thier ads all the time in the paper, with the proviso that applicants should be able to speak spanish! Thier quality of workmanship is the poorest I've seen in new homes, btw, & there are class action suits against them in 3 states. They've been tossed out of MD, & not allowed to build there anymore. Wish that would happen here.

philbymon wrote:Um...the tone of his response tells me that his co knew they were illegals, or suspected it at the very least.

It's the company's responsibility to demand a social security card is presented, NOT to verify that the card is legitimate. That would place a burden on every business, to become an investigative agency.

You just seem to hate business and want to blame them for everything.

Maybe if GOVERNMENT was doing it's F*CKING JOB, instead of putting their greedy little fingers in more of our tax dollars, socializing the country, funding "art" exhibits or television channels and radio programs, or any of the other CRAP they shouldn't be doing, then who knows? Maybe our BORDERS would actually be a little more secure? Maybe they would start sharing information, so that when a STATE CORONER pronounces someone as DEAD, then it wouldn't just be the IRS or Social Security Office who knew that this person was dead... but maybe the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION and state DMV's would know it too? And these people wouldn't be able to get DRIVER'S LICENSES and SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS made, with the SS numbers of DEAD PEOPLE!

I'd bitch about this not being music, but anyone with a foreign name or olive skin is going to get profiled in AZ.

I wonder if said azzholes would pass this sheet if they looked like they were going to be verbally challenged every time they wanted coffee from 7-11?

I bet not.

I wonder how all the spanish origin cops like this sh*t.

I bet they don't.

Do you think they will get profiled as well?

Before you ask, I am white.

I just have a hard time with this sh*t.

Yeah we got illegals doing this and that.

Try having a border that they can't simply walk around to get in.

Oh and America is a melting pot. If your Caucasian ass can't handle the fact that other people live here too, maybe you should go on a wild killing spree.

I love the Drivers Licenses put together on dead peoples' id's.
If they put you in jail for 15 years for doing this, maybe people would stop.

Capt. Scott wrote:
Oh and America is a melting pot. If your Caucasian ass can't handle the fact that other people live here too, maybe you should go on a wild killing spree.

I am not a racist.


The issue here is LEGALITY not RACE.

Arizona has a problem that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should be handling, but the FEDS are NOT handling it. This is a very SERIOUS issue, and goes way beyond economics, into NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES.


Maybe this will enlighten you:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/090214

Phoenix and Tucson police report over 400 kidnappings of Americans by Mexicans
February 14, 2009
By Michael Webster

It is no longer just a prospect that America's southern neighbor's the Mexican Drug Cartels are sending hit men (assassins) into this country to kill Americans. It is an alarming development. These Mexican Drug Cartel (MDC's) their gangs are kidnapping and killing citizens on both sides of the U.S. Mexican border. The kidnappings and killings of Americans should be providing an unexpected challenge to President Barack Obama's new government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command states that Mexico is at risk of a "rapid and sudden collapse."

President Barack Obama must put the drug violence in Mexico at the top of his national security agenda. While it may be premature to describe Mexico as a full-blown failed state, most experts say it is on the brink. "The situation has reached alarming proportions," According to one high ranking Mexican government official.

In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the WORLD outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda and other terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now, as waves of abductions hit Phoenix and other American cities. Washington is not paying enough attention. Many wonder why not?

President Obama has recently appointed Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano as the new head of the Department of Homeland Security and many people hope she will deal with this dangerous situation effectively and put an end to it.

Napolitano has claimed she is a strong advocate of keeping the borders and our country safe.

Many are hoping Obama's pick of Gov. Napolitano who has firsthand knowledge of the problem will start taking action to prevent the new wave of kidnappings and killings of Americans and make our cities safer.

Indeed, MDC's gangs now operate in most major American cities throughout our country. The MDC's have even published lists of Americans, including law enforcement officers, who are targeted for assassination.

The latest information is that U.S. authorities are now reporting a spike in killings, kidnappings, home invasions and public shoot outs in broad day light not only in Mexico but also here in the USA. Just today Tucson police report a day light shootout and is believed that this incident and many others like it are connected to Mexico's murderous drug cartels.

U.S. policymakers' seem surprised, as much of the violence is happening not only in towns along the border as earlier believed but now they must know the bloodshed has spread a considerable distance away, in places such as Phoenix and Atlanta.

Investigators know that the violence is erupting elsewhere throughout the U.S. because the MDC's have set up Mexican drug-trafficking operatives all over the US, and in as far away places as Anchorage, Alaska; Boston; and Sioux Falls, S.D. and other far flung American cities hundreds of miles from the U.S. Mexican border.

MSNBC reports that "More than 200 American citizens have been killed since 2004 in Mexico's escalating wave of violence, amounting to the highest number of unnatural deaths in any foreign country outside military combat zones, according to the US State Department."

Arizona's Phoenix has become the kidnapping capital of the USA. Phoenix and Tucson police report over 400 kidnappings of Americans are being investigated and officials fear many more kidnappings and murders of Americans are already out of control.

An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough.

This reporter has chronicled many such kidnappings and murders of Americans. Some authorities admit privately that no one really knows how many Americans have been kidnapped here in the USA and taken to Mexico and how many were killed. Some of the kidnappings were for ransom, but most violence and killings were retaliation by the MDC's.

"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexican Drug Cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.

"They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said.

To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn.

In the same report California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists — those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix — are overlooked.

"Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average American, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said.

In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican Drug Cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade.

One border city mayor who wants to remain anonymous said "The U.S. Government is going to have to start dealing with this very dangerous situation that is no longer just happening in our back yard but is now happening right here in our homeland. No American even in America is safe because of it."

President Obama was heard saying recently on national TV, that his number one priority is the safety of Americans. The border city mayor said "If the president really believes that he must start looking right here on our own soil the immediate danger is here in America and is coming from the south not from half way around the world.

Craig I just don't care and a wild killing spree sounds very plausible there days, albeit limited.

(carry many rifles and hand cannons, lots of ammo tins)


Fact is, if they were asking you for the same proof, you'd bitch and don't lie.

You know you would.