General Music Chat

1) What qualifies her as a dingbat?

The Katie Couric interview.

That doesn't make her a dingbat.

Craig.......



That doesn't make her a dingbat to YOU.


To a lot of other people, it does.



Remember buddy: subjective. It's all subjective....

Also remember: It's OKAY to have a different opinion from someone else!


It doesn't bother me that you like Palin dude. Just don't try and convince me she's smart, capable or worth holding a high public office. Your arguments are going to fall on deaf ears. Okay?

My opinion of Palin is not the same as yours. And that's OKAY!

You've got your opinion and we all know what it is. So, like, move on? With life? Ya know?

Too much happiness and joy out in the world to be writing huge dissertations on Palin on a music forum. Get out and enjoy life man!

since i think this has something to do with me refering to palin as a dingbat, a comment which i stand by, i would like to make a statement.

palin once said she can see russia from her backyard which she claimed to be why she would excel at foreign policy. well...i can see the moon from my backyard does that qualify me to be an astronuat? lol henceforth ill keep my mouth shut.

but i see what ur sayin colors. lol i think we should just plain refrain from anything political tho i kno its unlikely that happens.

You want me to drop it...

But you started a new thread on it?


LMAO!!!




Wait... you are segregating me, aren't you???




LOL


Look bro, I appreciate the advice, but... If others are free to call her a dingbat, I am free to defend her.

Once again... To argue that she is not qualified for the Presidency, is a LEGITIMATE concern and worth arguing about. But she "WAS" the most popular Governor in America, with 14 years of public office under her belt, and committe chairs, and being head of the National Guard as well as the federally sanctioned militia in her state.


She is NOT a dingbat.

To say she is, is... DISHONEST!

Bush was NOT a dingbat either.


And the liberal party hacks were brainwashing you there too!


I CANNOT STAND the BUSH POLITICIANS!!!

But even so, I have defended Bush's intellect against liberals as well. He's not a genius, but he has ABOVE AVERAGE intelligence.

I care about the truth, not party lines.

And, unlike some here... I will NOT be brainwashed or goaded, into positions that are indefensible by my party's political hacks! So thanks for the advice... but it may be YOU that needs the help here.

You have fallen victim to repeated rhetoric, and sheep syndrome!

The proof of which, is that you have ACCEPTED something as true, just accepted it, when there is NO FACTUAL BASIS FOR THAT POSITION.

The facts don't match the extreme labels.

Sarah Palin is a very intelligent woman, with limited knowledge of world history and international politics. That lack of knowledge, however, has NOTHING to do with her level of intelligence, but "IS" a legitimate concern, where her being President would be concerned. Particularly, since the President's greatest power and responsibility, lies in international relations and diplomacy.


Stop calling her a "dingbat" like the other clueless sheep out there, and instead state... "She lacks international knowledge and experience, which, in my view, makes her unqualified to be President." ...and you won't hear a peep out of me!

You want me to drop it...

But you started a new thread on it?

Um, Craig? Sorry, but didn't feel like this belonged in the other thread. It was off-topic. I was just trying to be courteous.


But whatever.

palin once said she can see russia from her backyard
which she claimed to be why she would excel at foreign policy.

First off...

She did NOT say that she can see Russia from her backyard!

That is from an SNL skit!

Here you are, TRASHING Palin, as an unintelligent DINGBAT, and yet, -YOU- have quoted "Tina Fey" from an SNL sketch, thinking it was what PALIN said!!!!

You are getting your news from Saturday Night Live.

But Palin is the dingbat?

You see what I mean about BRAINWASHING?

Repeated RHETORIC?

Outright... LIES?


FROM THE ORIGINAL CHARLES GIBSON INTERVIEW




HERE IS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE RELEVANT PART:

World News
September 11, 2008

CHARLES GIBSON: Let me ask you about specific national security situations. Let's start, because we are near Russia. Let's start with Russia and Georgia. The administration has said, we've got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

SARAH PALIN: First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable. And we have to keep...

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked?

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked. And we have got to keep our eyes on Russia. Under the leadership there.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.

GIBSON: You in favor of putting Georgia and Ukraine into NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia. Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously he thinks otherwise.

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean that is the agreement. When you are a NATO ally, is, if another country is attacked, you are going to be expected to be called upon and help.

Um, Craig? Sorry, but didn't feel like this belonged in the other thread. It was off-topic. I was just trying to be courteous.


But whatever.

I was joking with you bro!

I felt "segregated"!

LOL

It's difficult, without being face-to-face, to know when you're joking Craig, because you converse with such zeal...

Aw, now see what happens when you keep poking him with that stick? He gets all growly & says you're lyin' & stuff!

There's nothin' "dishonest" about thinking she's a dingbat, Craig. It's an opinion. One that I happen to share, btw. The actions I've seen from her have lead me to that opinion.

I also think she's un-American, in that she tries to convince us that we don't want what we vote for, while she tries to rile ppl up to the point of rioting with her anti-administration rhetoric & name-calling.

You are entitled to your opinion, even if I am so sure that it's a wrong one, though. I'll give you that much, but it bugs me when you call everyone "dishonest" for having a different opinion than yours.

I think it's rather dishonest for her to represent herself as having anything worthwhile to say on foreign relations just cuz she can see Russia from her back door, too.

And just because someone can score well on an IQ test does NOT make him intelligent. It merely means that he can test well under certain circumstances. GWB was an overemotional, knee-jerking, power-mad idiot who thought it was cool to look like an under-educated beer-swilling backwoods fool, imo. That is not a dishonest staement, btw, cuz I really DO have that opinion of him.

There's nothin' "dishonest" about thinking she's a dingbat, Craig. It's an opinion.

That's the only point I care to make...

We're all free to have and express our opinions. And Craig has expressed his time and again.

I'm just tired and bored of hearing about it.

New music topic anyone? I have a few more days on American soil... I'll think of something shortly and post.

It's difficult, without being face-to-face, to know when you're joking Craig, because you converse with such zeal...

Sorry.

That's why I am consciously trying to recover some of the FUN I used be, before getting TOOOOO serious... ALL THE TIME.

Balance!

I have to remind myself too!

I'm Tired of all of this political argueing what do say we all just have a DRANK! Just kidding everyone has a right to their opininions! On the other hand Colors did you ever post that audio of your rig I would like to hear it.

I happen to agree with Craig on most topics but then sometimes Phil has a FEW good points! Its hard not to argue with passion when OUR country is in such dyer straits. Guy's just don't ever forget we are all Americans first and foremost!

On the other hand Colors did you ever post that audio of your rig I would like to hear it.

Didn't get to it last night J because some friends took me out for a raucous dinner. Had a great time.

I have band practice tonight, so I should be able to get something recorded and posted. Going to try and do some audio of my lead/rhythm tones and then a video of my rack configuration.

There's nothin' "dishonest" about thinking she's a dingbat, Craig.

When it is inaccurate... Then, yes, there is!

You have just been SHOWN that one of the most widely copied "quotes" used to paint Palin as an idiot, is in fact... FABRICATED! You should be STUNNED at that, but you could care less.

Why?

Because the TRUTH doesn't matter... only your "opinion" does!

To me... That's dishonest.

It's an opinion. One that I happen to share, btw. The actions I've seen from her have lead me to that opinion.

Really? List the top 5 "actions" that show you she is a Dingbat!

Should be easy right?

Cause... someone here, listed her amazingly stupid "gaffes" as evidence of what a DINGBAT she is, but when I challenged them to LIST her TOP-5 GAFFES, and I would list OBAMA and BIDEN'S - TOP-5 GAFFES, and we could then compare them, and see which were worse.

Can you believe that, this was WEEKS ago (Maybe MONTHS now!) and yet NOBODY... NOT EVEN ONE... took me up on this, and seized the opportunity to PROVE what a dingbat she was?

Amazing really.

Actually not so much.

Some people prefer to "believe" what others believe, even in the face of overwhelming evidence AGAINST that belief!

"I ingratiate myself with others, when I agree with them... I get to be part of the club, when I parrot what cool TV personalities say!"

I also think she's un-American, in that she tries to convince us that we don't want what we vote for,

Yeah, well... YOU calling someone "unamerican" just makes me spit soda up my nose, when I read it... but it certainly doesn't impress me much!

And you are wrong anyway. Polls show that the Majority of Americans disagree with where Obama is taking the country. You are in the MINORITY! That is fine, but she has every right, to claim that Obama is not representing Americans well, when a MAJORITY agree with her.

April 21, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 31% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10

while she tries to rile ppl up to the point of rioting with her anti-administration rhetoric & name-calling.

but it bugs me when you call everyone "dishonest" for having a different opinion than yours.

It bugs ME when people cling to falsehoods, even when they are pointed out publicly. Idiot... Dingbat... these are MALICIOUS and PEJORATIVE terms, and they happen to be UNTRUE!

She wasn't born into money.

She elevated herself in politics, and now in the media as well. She showed a great deal of intelligence, and... SAVVY, in both endeavors. Yet you cling to the RIDICULOUS assertion that she is a "dingbat" an "idiot" and "unintelligent".

All that proves, is that YOU are a fool, or a liar.

She's so f*cking stupid, that her resume and net worth walks CIRCLES around yours!

If THAT is an example of what "stupidity" does for someone, what does that say about YOU???

How much more "STUPID", must YOU be then?

LMAO!!!

Now do you see what I mean by DISHONEST?

But your pride won't let you acknowledge that, will it?

Ah, there's the Craiggy that we know & love, attacking ppl for opinions again, complete with perjorative language.

Top 5 gaffs? She doesn't really interest me enough to go look them up again, Craig, just to further feed your frenzy.

For me, it suffices to recall the Couric interview, & the hate-mongering while using Obama's name in a clearly racist way. That in itself is enough to make me wonder how this person can possibly do any good for the country.

Your views of my patriotism or lack thereof are patently laughable, btw. You cannot make a distinction between when I'm baiting you for the entertainment value or being totally serious. That renders about 80% of your possible attacks on me & my character into useless & innaccurate, yet vicious behaviors, but you haven't caught on, yet, in your zeal to be oh so right at the cost of others being oh so wrong.

The majority is beginning to agree with her? Well, I suppose you could equate that trend to the popularity of certain musical acts - if you beat ppl over the head with crap enough, they'll come to accept that crap, & even embrace it.

Americans DID agree, to a large degree, with Obama's plans before the right started inciting ppl to riot with misinformation & other button-pushing techniques, & yeah, the "sheep" have started to follow thier questionable lead in favor over good sense.

Again, I am not going to get into another name-calling contest with you, Craig. My opinions remain, & your overzealous methods of protecting this crazy woman do nothing but firm up my opinions that she is bad for America, & the actions of her followers only prove it.

You have yet to prove me wrong, & have yet to prove that I am in any way dishonest. I'm quite proud of the fact that you can't prove any of your statements against me, as well.

You cannot make me into a liar or a hypocrite, here, Craig, & you cannot bait me into fighting with you. Keep your opinions, & keep beating ppl over the head with them. Who knows? Maybe you can succeed in making us all into Palin-loving sheep after all.

For myself, I quite prefer to see things as they are shown to me, & make up my own mind, thank you very much.

There are going to be those opinions of this woman that you will violently disagree with forever, Craig, & there isn't a damned thing you can say or do to change them. Your behaviors, though, will undoubtedly do your opposition a lot of good, simply because of your tendency to go overboard & attack whetre it isn't warranted, much like your beloved Palin does, herself. Attacking someone's character, calling him "dishonest" for having an opinion, is going to further my agenda more & more, the more you do it. So, thank you, Craig, for helping me to change ppl's minds for the better about this anti-American harpie, as they see how her followers act in her name.