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Fear of Science will Kill Us

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:35 pm
by CraigMaxim
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/13/s ... g.science/

Fear of Science will Kill Us
By Michael Specter
Special to CNN
April 13, 2010


VIDEO HERE:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2010/04/12/ted.michael.specter.ted


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Editor's note: Michael Specter is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of "Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Planet and Threatens our Lives." TED, a nonprofit organization devoted to "Ideas Worth Spreading," hosts talks on many subjects and makes them available through its Web site, http://www.ted.com/

(CNN) -- American denialism threatens many areas of scientific progress, including the widespread fear of vaccines and the useless trust placed in the vast majority of dietary supplements quickly come to mind.

It doesn't seem to matter how often vaccines are proved safe or supplements are shown to offer nothing of value. When people don't like facts, they ignore them.

Nowhere is that unwillingness to accept the truth more evident than in the mindlessly destructive war that has been raging between the proponents of organic food and those who believe that genetically engineered products must play a role in feeding the growing population of the Earth. This is a divide that shouldn't exist.

All the food we eat -- every grain of rice and kernel of corn -- has been genetically modified. None of it was here before mankind learned to cultivate crops. The question isn't whether our food has been modified, but how.

Read more about Michael Specter at http://www.TED.com

I wrote "Denialism" because it has become increasingly clear that this struggle threatens progress for us all.

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment. It isn't hard to find evidence: the ruinous attempts to wish away the human impact on climate change, for example. The signature denialists of our time, of course, are those who refuse to acknowledge the indisputable facts of evolution.

Nowhere has the screaming been louder, however, than in the fight over how we grow our food. If you are brave enough to set a Google Alert for the phrases "genetically modified food" and "organic food," you will quickly see what I mean.

The anxiety is certainly understandable. When it comes to food -- the way we produce it and particularly the way we consume it -- we have a lot to worry about.

One third of American children are overweight or obese; for adults, the numbers are higher. Our addiction to mindless consumption has made millions sick and costs this country billions of dollars. The financial toll comes in terms of time lost at work and money spent treating and supporting people with diabetes, heart disease and many cancers, who, had they followed a better diet, would never have fallen ill.

Nonetheless, better eating habits have nothing specific to do with organic food, which provides no nutritional advantage over more conventionally raised products. Opponents of genetically modified food constantly argue that it is unsafe. There has, however, never been a single documented case of a human killed by eating genetically modified food.

If every American swallowed two aspirin right now, hundreds of us would die today. Does that mean we ought to ban aspirin? Of course not. It simply means that there are risks and benefits associated with everything we do and with every decision we make.

When people say they prefer organic food, what they often seem to mean is they don't want their food tainted with pesticides and their meat shot full of hormones or antibiotics. Many object to the way a few companies -- Monsanto is the most famous of them -- control so many of the seeds we grow.

Those are all legitimate complaints, but none of them have anything to do with science or the way we move genes around in plants to make them grow taller or withstand drought or too much sun. They are issues of politics and law. When we confuse them with issues of science, we threaten the lives of the world's poorest people.

We are doing that now. By 2050, we are going to have 9 billion people to feed, a huge increase over today's 6.8 billion. It's not a figure about which there is much dispute. To feed that many will require nearly 50 percent more food than we produce now.

It's not enough to simply say we waste food and consume too many calories, so that if we distributed it more intelligently everyone could eat just fine. Not in sub-Saharan Africa, where drought is nearly permanent.

Many of those people subsist on cassava, the basic potato-like staple in the region. It lacks most protein, nutrients and vitamins.

You cannot survive for long without them, so a team of international scientists funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, is engineering vitamins and micronutrients into cassava.

They are engineering success into a failed crop. It will save and prolong many lives; that is farming and genetic modification at their best. Who could be opposed to that?

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Michael Specter.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:59 pm
by jimmydanger
There is not only a fear of science, there is a general distrust of scientists and the theories and discoveries they develop. What these people fail to realize is that there is not one aspect of modern life that has not been directly influenced by science and technology. All of the products they take for granted, from phones and computers to toothpaste are all the result of science. I blame our educational system; science is not stressed at the same level as other academic pursuits, at least not in the US. Other countries are leap frogging us in math and science, and we will pay the price for this eventually.

There are also some who feel that science is anti-religion; this is not true, it just seeks the truth.

Don't be afraid of that which you do not understand.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:13 pm
by CraigMaxim
jimmydanger wrote:
I blame our educational system




I blame religious zealots! :x


But yes, part of it is education. Our students lag many countries in math and science.


jimmydanger wrote:Other countries are leap frogging us in math and science, and we will pay the price for this eventually.




Eventually... is happening... NOW!


PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:28 pm
by jimmydanger
Most people do not understand how big and how old the universe is. If they did, they would also understand how little and insignificant we are, and maybe there would be less hatred, wars and killing.

Do you know what the HUDF is? It's a picture of the universe shortly after (400-800 million years) the Big Bang. The light from the HUDF started its journey 13 billion years ago!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra_Deep_Field

In another 100 years, we may be able to see all the way back to just after the BB itself.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:15 pm
by J-HALEY
13.7 billion years. Jimmy I beleive that as we develope technologies that allow us to see further back in time we will discover that indeed the universe is even bigger than we thought. We are so small and insignificant in the grandure of this wonderful universe it continually amazes me.
Being from the Space City Houston Texas it also amazes me how many people I grew up with don't beleive man actually landed on the moon. I call them Moonie Loonies!
In the name of religion science has been held back throughout history but when the end comes whether by our own hands an asteroid it won't even matter no one or thing will no we were here. :shock:

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:19 pm
by Shapeshifter
Wait til you hear my new song, J. It's called "Conspiracy Theory."



(I can't believe you called me a "Moonie Loonie".)

:lol:

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:23 pm
by philbymon
I don't fear science. I fear the application of science without the necessary prudence to look at the long term results of one's actions.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:25 pm
by Chippy
Bring it on.
Nothing like a bigger scope in my view.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:22 pm
by gbheil
Perhaps if they weren't wrong so often. Or just flat out telling lies for political / economic gain we could trust them.

I,m still waiting on that ice age they promised me in 77. :roll:
Or maybe I'll just settle for that swine flu pandemic.
Oh Mr Congressman I,m sooo scared.








Only dead-men are trustworthy.

Great post

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:14 pm
by Markallensolo
This is a great post! Bring it on.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:56 pm
by CraigMaxim



Watch the video. He expresses his point clearly, and pretty much respectfully, of the other positions... but there is a point where some fear becomes irrational extremism. He's not calling for blind faith, but for an openess and willingness to TEST things out, to TRY NEW IDEAS out.

Life expectancy has grown significantly over the last centuries, and particularly over the last 50 years. The population of planet Earth has DOUBLED in my own lifetime. Just one person's lifetime, to go from 3.5 BILLION to nearly 7 BILLION today! Resources cannot last forever, when the population continues to grow like that. Science can only squeeze so much protein and nutrients over so-many square acres of land.

We should be EXPLORING THE COSMOS as a COMMON SPECIES rather than having to commit so much resources to military equipment and pursuits.

Humans need to get their sh*t together, for the common welfare and SURVIVAL of us all!

You find more cooperation among SCIENTISTS of the world, than religious leaders of the world! As a believer in God, I find that DISPICABLE!


PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:06 am
by gbheil
I have a natural distrust of anyone touting anything "for the good of all".
Seems to be the same line they used herding Jews into the gas chamber.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:24 am
by CraigMaxim
sanshouheil wrote:I have a natural distrust of anyone touting anything "for the good of all".
Seems to be the same line they used herding Jews into the gas chamber.



Yeah, well, it wasn't for the good of "Jews" was it?

:roll:

Read the Bible again, where it says that God allows the sun to shine on the righteous, as well as the unrighteous. Apparently God does this, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL, right?

You trust him though, right?

;-)


PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:33 am
by Dajax
I don't fear real science. I fear half baked theories parading as real science. Especially when there is a cultish, non questioning buying into it.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:25 am
by gbheil
Dajax wrote:I don't fear real science. I fear half baked theories parading as real science. Especially when there is a cultish, non questioning buying into it.


Thanks Dajax
Could not have said it better myself.

A line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.
I'll have to paraphrase as I don't recall word for word.

Science so fascinated with what they can do they never stop to think if they should.

How many scientifically proven medications had to be removed from the market in the last 5 years because it was killing people?
How about the wide spread and accepted use of asbestos for insulation?
How about the neat little X Rays they used to have in the shoe stores with no shielding.

Science has brought us many wonderful things.
But when they pretend to be infallible with their wildassed guesses we are bettter off without them.