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#104546 by philbymon
Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:25 pm
I've been against our continuing aid to & backing of Israel since the 70's.

I remain so. There are good reasons for my stance, & actions like this one are certainly good arguing points.

If you're gonna do this stuff, you better be better at it than this. Mossad never works for any common good, & seems to be far more interested in the "eye for an eye" vengeful acts than anything else.

Meanwhile, Israeli gov't treatment of its citizenry of faiths other than the j/c's is certainly questionable, & has been since the country's inception.

Interestingly, we would turn a blind eye to thier actions even as we villify China & Russia & others for thier human rights violations. It often seems as if Israel can do no wrong in our eyes, while the facts speak otherwise.

#104588 by gbheil
Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:05 am
Wont happen.
World bank and both U.S. political parties are dic deep in that bung.

#104597 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:49 am
Sad to kill a baby killer like hamas terrorists.
That is one less that will come over here and SLIT you babies throat.

I have no compassion for terrorists after 9/11.
No shoot , but when I see stuff like this I wonder how anti semetic you are ,and how flocking nuts you are , because you are saying it is OK to allow sniper operatives to work within the civilian population.

All you ANTI JEWS you better go back and read and reread the Constitution.

#104602 by Dewy
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:05 am
GlenJ, you embrace hate quickly... do you also embrace the path of the warrior?

Do you know your enemy and understand his causes? I do not support Hamas or Israel... I do not support Al-Quaida nor our Billion dollar "war" against an emotion.

Terror is a tactic at best, but its a state of FEAR... and by definition a "WAR" on "Terror" would be a war on an emotion.

You imply the fellow that was murdered would gladly "Come over here and slit your baby's throat", which is silly. Sure he was a murderous bastard... sure he hated Christians and Jew... and of course in a general sort of way our "Western Decadence", which I too sorta despise.

But do you really think his overall goal was to slit baby throats? To imply he was a threat in any way to America or anyone on this board?

I don't think you understand your enemy at all... and as such would not only make a poor warrior, but a short lived combatant who jumped at every chance to react before thinking.

May your God see fit to keep you clear of any REAL combat and let you safely armchair quarterback any conflict WARRIORS have to resolve.

As for Israel, they have a prophecy to fulfill... one of Armageddon and Hellfire. Rest assured they'll take the rest of us down with them when they go.

#104607 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:28 am
Dewy ,, when a person walks in your door and pulls the trigger of a shotgun pointed at you, you would say "sh*t'" I fogot to lock the front door.
Who said anything about HATE. Not me. YOU DID.

If anything I was trying to point out the uselessness of hate because that was the reason hate was pointing the shotgun at you.

Jimminy was only trying to grow that hate. You are too.

Don't discount the words of don't tread on me.
Dewy that also means in plain english don't sh*t on me....AND
I will turn your hatred into something good.

#104613 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:53 am



I'm pretty disappointed too, cause...


The Mossad is getting sloppy!

;-)


But when they get back to being "in and out" and no one knows who it was.... like the good old days... can we restore support to Israel then?

#104651 by philbymon
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:14 pm
Refusing to back a COUNTRY that plays spy games poorly in no way makes me "anti-semitic," Glen. That's a very popular but baseless argument against anyone who says Israel is not a good country that deserves our constant attention & iontervention.

The Palestinians have as much right to be PO'd as anyone on the planet. Thier country was ripped from under them & given to a ppl who treated them badly, took thier homes & stripped them of thier jobs. They were forcibly moved into ghettos. They could not hold gov't positions.

Meanwhile, the rest of the area turned thier backs on them. Thier own religous brethren wouldn't allow them to immigrate to escape thier plight.

Israel has been at the core of mid-eastern strife, & it has done nothing but exacerbate the problems, always with the US & the UK being right there helping them.

I have no problem killing "baby-killers" & such, but I can certainly understand the ire of these ppl. If you cannot, well, there's nothing I could say that would change your anti-moslem mind.

Craig - no. Just no.

Carry on.
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#104652 by jimmydanger
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:18 pm
I don't believe in "restoring" aid to anyone. If a country truly needs help and we're able to, fine. But it's not an obligation. And it's something that can and should end if the country engages in activities that go against our beliefs. And we should first make sure our own citizens don't need the aid more.

#104653 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:35 pm
philbymon wrote:
Israel has been at the core of mid-eastern strife, & it has done nothing but exacerbate the problems



WOOT WOOT!!!!

YEAH!!! WHAT HE SAID!!!

No wonder Muslims want to destroy Jews as a race of people!

It all makes sense now! The same as Phil and Radical Muslims, we should ALL despise Jews!!!

You understand Jihad better than any of us Phil!

Are you secretly a....

A...

Well, umm... how should I put it?

Well, we all know that you eat DEER MEAT... what about pork?

Hmm? Just askin' ;-)

:lol:

#104654 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:43 pm
jimmydanger wrote:I don't believe in "restoring" aid to anyone. If a country truly needs help and we're able to, fine. But it's not an obligation. And it's something that can and should end if the country engages in activities that go against our beliefs.



Problem is... Spying and political assasinations ARE NOT against our beliefs, at least not in practice.

Like it or not... it has been so, for most of our country's existence.

All industrial countries practice espionage.

They break laws to do so.

The world needs a change in HEART Jimmy, not political systems, or enhanced science. None of these will EVER convict a heart of right behavior. Only love does that.

And like it or not... your OWN sense of conscience, comes from that original spark... from the heart and love of God.

Until HEARTS change, politics never will.

#104660 by jimmydanger
Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:04 pm
If you make the leap that spying and assasinations are OK then it's not far to terrorism is OK too. UK citizen's ID's were stolen for the purpose of assasination. Are you condoning that??

#104661 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:07 pm
jimmydanger wrote:If you make the leap that spying and assasinations are OK then it's not far to terrorism is OK too. UK citizen's ID's were stolen for the purpose of assasination. Are you condoning that??



I don't condone it when "WE" do it.

But... WE DO bro.

Every country does.

I believe our nation should have the best standard on this, but it would probably kill us all, if we did. We would have been destroyed long ago, or at least many more of us dead, were it not for intelligence programs.

This is why the WORLD needs to change.

#104664 by jimmydanger
Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:09 pm
Yes it does. Israel must be punished for this. And money is something everyone understands.

#104666 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:14 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Yes it does. Israel must be punished for this. And money is something everyone understands.



They'll get a slap on the hand.

Countries feign shock, slap them on the hand, and it goes back to business as usual, cause the "offended" country does the same things, even against their "allies".

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