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Something I ran across. Feel free to disprove it, as I haven't checked all of it out. But I tend to believe it. Feel free to disprove these statements. They should be easy enough to disprove since this came from the Internet.

Social Security was introduced by the Democrats. They promised:

1. Participation would be completely voluntary.
2. Participants would only pay 1pct. of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes.
3. The money would be tax deductible.
4. The money would be put into a "Trust Fund" rather than into the General operating fund only to be used to fund Social Security Retirement Program.
5. That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.


Not so Trivia Questions:
Q: Which political party took SS from the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress (Democrat controlled for 40 years) could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which political party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking vote:

Q: Which political party started giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: Thats Right! Jimmy carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democrats gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it.

Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violations of the original contract, the Democrats tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away. Now they are saying the same things about health care. The evil Republicans don't want you to have it.

The Gov screwed the Indians and lied to them by breaking every treaty.

Ask the Veterans how the Government lied to them.

And some of you actually believe these people?

Slacker,,,If 350million people say a stupid thing,,,, It becomes a law.

Sad isn't it?

Yes, and if two guys say stupid things it becomes entertainment.

OUR money that WE put into Social Security has been STOLEN for many decades. Shameful scoundrels, BOTH Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for this. If there's a pile of money somewhere in Washington you know damn well it'll be stolen sooner or later...

Don't bitch about it, run for office and quit hiding behind your computer.

Otherwise you are about as useful as your mama's dildo minus batteries.

Steely Dan to the rescue, make sure you wash that crap off after you remove it else she'll know you stole it again.

Social Security was introduced by the Democrats. They promised:

1. Participation would be completely voluntary.
2. Participants would only pay 1pct. of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes.
3. The money would be tax deductible.
4. The money would be put into a "Trust Fund" rather than into the General operating fund only to be used to fund Social Security Retirement Program.
5. That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

And your saying that things have changed since 1935? I would certainly hope so... of course I can hope that all changes are for the better... but hope in one hand, dream in the other I suppose.

Perhaps you think that if legislation doesn't turn out EXACTLY LIKE PROPOSED it should be scrapped? What do you think would pass that test? Would it also have to remain unchanged thru other unforseen circumstances... like the addition of Medicaid/ Medicare?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.

I think you are referring to the Social Security Act of 1965:
The Social Security Amendments of 1965 was legislation in the United States whose most important provisions resulted in creation of two programs: Medicare and Medicaid.

Moving the cash from the trust fund so it could pay states was an essential part of the program which has been very beneficial, and of course, like everything else touched by Humanity, abused.

Q: Which political party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
Q: Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?
Q: Which political party started giving annuity payments to immigrants?

Ok, Dems... because the Repubs have a bad habit of calling taxes they raise something else... or not raising them to pay for spending they sign in... and then blame Democrats for the deficits.

As for Carter giving benefits to immigrants... I suppose you'd rather they starve in the street? Have their infectious diseases passed to your children as they work menial jobs to scrape by?

Lets also consider where the Old Romanian lady who immigrated just in time to retire spends her pittance from the US Federal Government.

She rents... she buys food, medicine, play's bingo on your tax dollar. Funny how all of that cash finds its way back into the U.S. Economy... unlike the tax breaks Bush and his Repub Congress gave corps to take jobs overseas.

But hey... hate Carter if that's what keeps you warm at night.

But since we're ranting about Social Security and Lies told about it:

Social Security was controversial when originally proposed, with one point of opposition being that it would cause a loss of jobs... where have I heard that before? Did it, well of course not, folks retiring opened up lots of jobs for unemployed folks to fill.

Most women and minorities were excluded from the benefits of unemployment insurance and old age pensions. Employment definitions reflected typical white male categories and patterns. But wait... you started out complaining that those evil Dems have modified Social Security over the years... surely you didn't support that?

Thank goodness that DEMS came along later and fixed that under Harry Truman. Damn sure can't count on Repubs to do anything for minorities or women.

It was Unconstitutional cried opponents, and when they lost they immediately went to litigation. Seems I've heard that one before too... but after 2 years of delaying and hindering the bill the Supreme Court Ruled on two cases opposing it and found it WAS legal, and the first payments were received.

So... maybe this wasn't as good an argument as you thought it was... or you didn't look at all aspects, just the ones that suited your argument.

Ask the Veterans how the Government lied to them.

This deserves a different post altogether... because I am about sick of you trying to use Vets as your poster child for Gov run Health Care.

To start with one way to fix the problems with Veteran's care is to give them the same health care everyone gets. Go find some issue with Britain or Canada's Vet's care.

Cobbling together some POS third party system and forgetting it is what Bureaucrats have done... not a Government made up of individuals, not a democratic ( as in we the people) conspiracy to punish vets.

Next lets get to your generalization of "how the Gov. lies to soldiers" statement. Damn right they lie... they say this is a Police action.... or "Air Cover is on its way", or my personal Favorite "We Support the Troops" bumper stickers made in China.

Do you have a clue what it is to be a soldier? Its to do the right thing... no matter what. You don't do it for lifetime entitlements of "Free Health Care" or to actually think the Repub who is gleefully working with a twice removed cousin to supply crappy bullet proof vests is there to support you.

You go into situations where people want to kill you for abstract reasons, and do your damnedest to survive, to try and pull as many of your comrades thru while accomplishing some momentary goal on a map in headquarters somewhere.

Lies are the standard fare for a soldier, they serve them fresh and foul on a daily basis... and to think it'll change when you get home is a dream never realized. Never, not once in history.

But you Slacker... you want to use them as a pawn in your pathetic attempt to slander attempts to reform ANY Health Care Reform... and you're too damn self absorbed to realize they would be one of the first to see improvements in an better system.

Go find you another horse to beat Slacker old boy... this one is dead.

Dewy ,my dear friend , please turn around so I can smack you on the back of your head.
Wake up and stop being such a communist,,,,,I may be the only one to stop them from dragging you from your house and putting a bullet through your head,,,, Laugh now ,,,,, HISTORY HAS A FUNNY WAY OF REPEATING.

SHOOT , Just drink the koolaide,,,, I don't have that many more years,,,

Why waste them on you?

Because the basic underlined principles set down by our founding fathers required that I accept you as a brother and help you to become successful.

Glen,

Your wasting your time. People like Dewy go to great lengths to remain ignorant. And they are quite proud of it. He doesn't appear to be over educated, just ignorant. But others, like Jimmy, are taught to be ignorant through years of liberal leftist brainwashing. And they are proud of their ignorance.

Neither of these groups could see the truth even if it bit them in the ass. I generally just gloss over their leftist programmed rhetoric. A few years down the road their wallets will understand, even if they never do. You wanted welfare health care. You got it. Welcome to "Big Brother" as you have never imagined it in your wildest imagination.

I'll check in on this again in when you're whining about how the gov is taxing you to death for crappy almost non existent "Health Care", and taxing you for everything else under the sun just to pay for it. This governing group of commies is out to destroy the middle class. Watch it happen. I admit. I am radical. But not without reason. I see what is happening.

Gov Health care. Great. Following a long list of government run successes such as The D.M.V., The Post office, Social Security, The welfare system, out of control government irresponsible spending. The gov is clueless as to how to run anything. The gov works like this. One gov worker brain = 1 somewhat functional brain. Two gov worker brains = 1/2 a functional brain, 3 gov worker brains = 1/3 of a functional brain. Get the big picture? My mistake. Gov worker = Oxymoron.

I'm sure anyone with a functioning brain could add to this list.

And you want these people to rule over your health care? No you don't. You just think you do. These people are against the constitution and what it represents... freedom for the American people. They are operating outside of the constitution and they don't care what you think.

The inmates currently in charge of the asylum want to take over everything in your life. And you think that is a good thing. It must be wonderful to be so blissfully ignorant as not to be concerned about the snare that is about to entrap you. The foundation for the collapse of the USA has already been laid. When it hits it will be like a tsunami.

By the way, ever watch the evening news? I'm referring to the "Scare of the day" in every news cast. That is big gov brainwashing you into thinking their job is to be your nanny. Every night you get a new story about what product or germ they are concerned about as they try to protect you. Do you actually think they are trying to protect you from 5 collapsing baby strollers?

They are brainwashing you into thinking their job is to control every aspect of your life so you will feel secure in the utopia they want you to think they are creating.

Go figure.

haha, good one. I go to GREAT LENGTHS to INFORM myself and share with ignorant folks like you... point by point. But you're right, I'm not over Educated... got my G.E.D. in the US Military.

But since then (1985) I have taught myself a great deal, self educated you might say.

You on the other hand are increasingly revealing yourself to be a sad man with no grasp of the day you live in.

You want to "return" to some better time that didn't exist. More people in your state than were in the entire nation in 1800... but those we're the good ol' days, lets repeal every law back to that!!

I've had some spectacular ways to waste my time in 42 years... Slacker and Glen may be two of the most egregious wastes of my time ever.

Slacker... don't bother to respond to my reply to your original post... its above your ability. You made a stupid choice of something to argue... and you can't defend it.

Thos fact remains - I don't want INSURANCE. What I want is HEALTH CARE.

Far too often, in this country, the two are mutually exclusive.

Pre-existing condition? No care. Your problem not on our list? No care. The traditional treatments aren't working anymore, & you would like or need an alternative? No care. Typos in requests for treatment? No care.

As long as insurance co's hold the reins on who & what gets health care, too many ppl will be left out in the cold with NO HEALTH CARE, even if they HAVE insurance!

But that's capitalism at work, isn't it? It's in the interest of the insurance co to deny you that necessary care any way that they can, so that they can make profit from your premiums at the expense of your health.

Who was the gov't set up for, the ppl, or the corporations? Whose interests should hold sway? The profiteering thieves, or the sick & injured folk that PAY them for health care?

I call it "thievery" when ppl have insurance, & PAY for it, but get no care.

What do YOU call it?

Pre-existing condition? No care.

http://www.opa.ca.gov/healthcare/health ... tions.aspx

Oh yeah - wait 6 months for care, cuz you had it before you were hired. So, no care for 6 months, then, while you are in pain or in need of treatment. Results are still that the ins co gets your $ & doesn't give you care when you need it.

S'cuse me for the misinfo.

Dewy , you are not self taught,,, You are BRAINWASHED.
I could sit here and attack you ,,,,, but I like your music.
Attacking you would be the same as punching a brick wall.
Sorry if I have been having fun at your expense. But yahoo I'm having fun.

They intend to collect taxes for four years before the plan ever kicks in.
Do you suppose they will have any of it left ?? I have my doubts.
I,m with Phil strangely enough. I don't want no damned insurance. That's just paying someone else before you pay the doctor.
I just want to get and be able to provide good health care.
It ain't happening on a day to day basis now due to being intentionally understaffed. And the rich guys that own, or board of directors, doctors etc. They have special suites set aside for themselves. They isolate themselves from their own creations. Does that not make you feel confident ??
I see nothing in the current legislative acts that will effect this in any way but negatively.

Keep in mind, this is what I do for a living.