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#102959 by CraigMaxim
Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:51 pm


LOL

Yeah, when I saw it in the news, I thought about you right away, cause I figured you'd be waiting for me to post something on it!

btw...

Interesting side note... As you guys probably know, the female director of Hurt Locker (good movie btw) was the FIRST woman to win an oscar for director.

She was up against renowned director James Cameron, and her film got 6 oscars... his only 3.

She is James Cameron's ex-wife! :shock:

By all accounts they were very supportive of each other's nominations, and Cameron was among the first in the audience to give her a standing ovation, when she won for Best Director.

#102974 by philbymon
Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:50 pm
Gee...so many milestones...so little time...

I haven't yet figured out the signifigance of anything you just said, outside of perhaps having info to use in a game of trivial pursuit...

She supposedly didn't win anything because she is a woman, so why is the info necessary at all? The 1st woman director...bleagh...

Am I s'posed to jump up & down squeeling about another busted glass ceiling? Don't hold your breath waiting on that.

She did a good job & got an award. Her sex or race or state or country of origin is not even window-dressing, & blabbing about it distracts us from her & her good work.

Can we not find anything more personal to talk about with these ppl who win awards than thier sex or race? Is it so surprizing to us, still, that a woman (gasp!) can accomplish big things?

#102980 by gbheil
Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:01 am
Oscar is a whack off.
Shameless self promotion.
Of course the woman won. It's freakin hollywood . :roll:

#103019 by philbymon
Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:13 pm
Okay, yet you found it necessary to tell us this, first - "As you guys probably know, the female director of Hurt Locker (good movie btw) was the FIRST woman to win an oscar for director." That info means less than nothing to me. Why must we make such a big damned deal over the "first" minority anything? It's as if these ppl do the things they do merely to represent thier minority, rather than simply to accomplish things as individual human beings. I hear this kind of junk all the time, & it never ceases to curl my spine. They actually tell ppl to be "proud" of being female, or hispanic, or black, or whatever. How about ACCOMPLISHING things of which you can be proud, rather than being proud for a mere accident of birth?

This is why I'm not "proud to be an American." It was pure chance that I was born here. Also by chance are the facts that I'm basically caucasian, male, & right-handed. None of this is something of which to be "proud."

Those things I do find worthy of my pride are my role as a father, the songs I've written, the performances I've done well, the uildings I've designed & built, etc., you know - accomplishments!

#103056 by CraigMaxim
Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:50 pm


Phil,

I don't think you always appreciate things from the perspective of imagining you were in someone else's shoes.

I can agree that some things are probably unecessary today, but even still, it is a white male dominated country. It is IMPORTANT to recognize advancements in that situation. For one, it allows us to recognize that changes ARE being made, and to remember that there is a long way to go. For another, it provides role models for other minorities, to aspire to.

When former Mayor, Marion Barry was busted in a sting, for using crack cocaine, there was outrage from the black community there (I was living in D.C. at the time) that he was TARGETTED through a STING operation. Simultaneously, we were also around the time of the Oliver North episode, and callers into radio stations were incensed that this guy, North, received little more than a hand slap, in exchange for his testimony, and he seemed to have escaped the episode unscathed.

The people of D.C. determined his crime, to be far superior to Barry's.

But I locked onto the comments of one older black woman who called into the station I was listening to in my car.

She said...

"I don't care about Oliver North. What I care about, is that in a country with so few black role models for our children, Mayor Barry, has robbed our youth, of yet another role model, and for what?"

In an abusive relationship, men often degrade women, to rob them of their sense of self worth, in order to dominate and control them.

Similarly, it is exceedingly difficult, for ANY minority (even those with handicaps as opposed to issues of racism) to truly BELIEVE what they have not seen an example of. It is easy for a child to think... "A black man will never be President, why should I even try?"

The reaction of THE WORLD, to the election of Obama, PROVES, the abundance of LACK OF FAITH in thise country truly being colorblind.

You are RIGHT, that in an IDEAL WORLD, it should be about accomplishments with no thought of a person's color or handicap. But that goal is only reached through a PROCESS!

And for a while now, part of the process has been for minorities to create THEIR OWN economic, and educational spheres, which they can succeed in. It was not very long ago, that blacks were not even allowed in Ivy League schools, hence the creation of universities, like Howard University in Washington, D.C.

Obama being elected President has certainly HELPED open the way for many others, but there is a ways to go Phil. For CENTURIES now, white males, have pulled the economic and political strings, of our nation. Don't for a minute, think, that degree of power, over that length of time, is turned into a level playing field over night, or from the election of ONE black President!

How much wealth and power do you think can be accumulated over CENTURIES of uninterrupted history? It's been a slow painful process to change even a SMALL PART of that reality.

It won't be undone by individuals shouting the mantra... "We are all equal now... just go about your business, and stop thinking about color or gender!"

It's a nice sentiment.

But the wealthy and powerful do not concede ground to others THAT easily.

#103058 by philbymon
Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:19 pm
Sorry, but the more we talk about ours being a "white male dominated society," the more excuses we give ppl to fail. And the more we try to uplift the supposedly downtrodden with our efforts to give them pride simply for being, the less reason they have to accomplish anything. After all, they have plenty to be proud about just by surviving birth, right?

Gimme a break!

This is the very worst of "liberal-speak," if you will. It has accomplished nothing but produce a greater divide between the races, & between the sexes, & DIScourages ppl from even trying.

Once you start telling ppl that they are behind the 8-ball before they even start out, the result is going to be more crime ("cuz I can't make it in the whitey's world, but I can sell drugs & get some of my own!"), fewer women getting ahead ("there's that damned glass ceiling preventing me, so why even try?"), everyone not in whitey's country-club supoosedly has fewer chances, & when someone does actually do something of note, they are held up as an example of someone "beating whitey's system" more than being an individual worthy of note. Why in hell you would want to do that is beyond me.

This is just more of that damned self-esteem-building bullshit that has become so popular in this country over the last cpl of decades that often will have the exact opposite effect from what you're trying to do for ppl.

#103069 by CraigMaxim
Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:50 pm


Phil, your view on this is simplistic, and not in a healthy way.

If you want to suggest, that DWELLING on the disproportionate nature of opportunities for the races, is self-defeating, then maybe I could agree with you.

But PRETENDING there is NOT a problem, is a greater problem in itself.

Not long ago, little girls grew up seeing white girl dolls on store shelves and nothing else. They had to deal with home-made rag dolls. But the beautiful and glamorized white dolls, sent a message... like it or not. Many of them just had white dolls to play with. This installs a sense of identity from the earliest ages... white people are beautiful and glamorous, and successful, but not black girls.

They often DESPISED their own blackness.

Which is EXACTLY why phrases like "Black is beautiful" were created, to counter this sense of low self-esteem, based on society's image of one's skin color.

Just because some things can be OVERDONE, does not mean they are not useful and helpful tools, used appropriately.

You, as a white person, object to the government intervening, known as affirmative action. You object to blacks having institutions set up for advancement of people of color, scholarships based on color, black beuty pageants and the like.

Many black people might respond...

"You white people had your time in the sun, for CENTURIES in America, with little objection to the purposeful dominance of the white race, now suddenly, when we have our own magazines and tv channels, and scholarships, oh... NOW, it's racist, now, as we finally realize some success as minorities! How convenient for YOU."

Disney only in the last YEAR, came out with their first "black princess" in the Disney "Princess" series. 2010 Phil. Only in 2010, would they create a Princess of color.

You are a VERY self-consumed individual, with little appreciation for the sufferings or inequalities of OTHERS!

Your wailing about inequality for whites, is pretty silly, considering our history. If it is truly EQUALITY you want (which, as a sexist, I doubt) just give it some more time. Things are changing and will CONTINUE to change.

When opportunities are TRULY equal, and when it NO LONGER makes the record books or the news, that.... "Today, the first black in history won the...." or "Today, the first woman in history received..."

When it is REALLY equal....

There will be no more need, and probably little market, for color-centric cable companies, or awards shows, or anything else!

#103082 by philbymon
Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:04 am
"If you want to suggest, that DWELLING on the disproportionate nature of opportunities for the races, is self-defeating, then maybe I could agree with you."

I'm glad you agree.

As for the rest of your statements - I'll not even begin to agree.

Affirmative action was fine, in the 60's & early 70's. We are now at the point that racial & sexual quotas are self defeating.

In no way am I a whining guy calling for equality for whites, here. Quit putting your BS spin on my words. I never even hinted at anything like that.

Things are't perfect. Big damned deal. They aren't perfect for me, either. They are better for women & other minorities now than they ever were, & it's well past time to get over it & start working with us nasty white men.

There are damned few places where ppl don't mingle &/or compete anymore - on the job, in restaurants, public transportation, in churches, ppl intermingle everywhere there's a place to do it. Ppl are getting more & more opportunities as they prove thier personal worth, & THAT, Craig, is what we as a nation should be celebrating - the accomplishments of ppl in our country, without the insertion of phrases like "in spite of the fact that they are ____," that you would add.

#1, it makes me wonder how many others in that particular group aren't as qualified to accomplish the task.

#2, it detracts from the accomplishment of the individual, rather than adding to it. It seems rather condescending to me, as well.

#3, it distracts us from thier worth as a human being & as a contributer to the needs of all of us.

#4, it is a never-ending constant reminder that "whitey" really rules us all, still (which is becoming less & less true daily, & I am NOT saying that that is a bad thing), & thus continues the separation of the races & sexes, & promotes ill feelings for others who may also have much to contribute.

The more divisive our comments & attitudes, the more divided we shall be as a ppl. Everyone with eyes can see that any given person who did something great is black or hispanic or a woman or a what-have-you. We don't need to be told. We also don't need to collectively celebrate every stupid little milestone you want to point out as if that means more than the actual accomplishments of ppl.

Black History Month? Dump the damned thing. How about an "American History Month?" Why don't we celebrate those things which we all share, rather than continually remind ourselves that things weren't always this good, & white men were the culprits? I'm damned sick of hearing that sh*t, & it is no longer even true. I've kept no one down. No one in my family, for 6 generations at the very least, ever owned a slave. Don't be lumping me in with other ppl just because of the color of my skin, or my sex. And don't belittle or condescend to ppl because of thier lineage or sex. Celebrate what THEY do, because they did it. Do NOT celebrate the fact that they were born some which way. That's just so stupid I can't believe you can't see it.

#103104 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:13 am
philbymon wrote:
Black History Month? Dump the damned thing. How about an "American History Month?" Why don't we celebrate those things which we all share, rather than continually remind ourselves that things weren't always this good, & white men were the culprits?



Your view is biased, and too extreme.

It is GOOD for black american children to be able to IDENTIFY with somone in history that looks like them. THAT is more "equal", than pretending that only white people accomplished things in this nation. Imagine being a black child and opening a history book, only to see that, apparently, only white people accomplished great things, and are worthy of remembering, celebrating, and learning about.

If it were not marking the first "black american to..." or "The first woman to..." It would be something else, and IS, in fact.

Like...

"Jack Johnson was the first TEXAN to win the world heavyweight boxing championship in 1908"

Well, and...

He was also the first AFRICAN AMERICAN to win it, as well! ;-)

#103123 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:21 am
Phil, I think you are starting see why some of your views hurt all Americans.

Let me beat you to the punch,,,f**k you glen

#103125 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:33 am
Craig ,you gotta really lighten up man,,,,sorry ,,,if I don't say it EYE to EYE,,,,I understand how easy it is miss my twisted sense of humor.

To much stuff going on in our country, Sad so few people have a chance to play music anymore.

#103130 by CraigMaxim
Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:06 am
GLENJ wrote:Craig ,you gotta really lighten up man



Phil tells me the same thing! :wink:

Actually, ALOT of people tell me that! :shock:




GLENJ wrote:To much stuff going on in our country, Sad so few people have a chance to play music anymore.




Hey, I'm still playing music! In fact, I should be posting a few things in the next couple of days.

#103132 by KLUGMO
Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:29 am
Phil did your car break down again or something?

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