It is just and fair because he set it up in front of us. Plain guidelines to follow.
Oh... Because He set it up.
Couldn't He have set something else up? Something reasonable? Why do you think He would set up such consequences? He could have decided NOT to design us in such a way that a "sin-nature" gets passed down to all generations permanently, couldn't He?
Why then in the Old Testament does the law state that children WILL NOT be held responsible for the sins of the father?
I thought God doesn't change?
Why would God give us a law like that, and yet He Himself commits this very act? Punishing the children (All generations since Adam) for the sins of the Father? (Adam, father of all living)
It seems like God wants sin to be assessed on WHO commits the sins:Dt 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
If we follow them he is just in forgiving us and giving us a home in heaven with him.
Oh... "IF" we follow the rules, "THEN" He will forgive us?
So George is going to Hell? Cause he openly shared with us, that he falls short and still sins, though he has received Christ as Savior.
Please answer this one at least, cause George's eternal life may depend on the answer. He thinks that he has a secure home with God (IN SPITE) of his continued sinning.
So do I.
Can you clear this up?
Which rules are we supposed to follow to be saved? Cause the thief on Jesus right, couldn't very well "DO" any "WORKS" for God, seeing as how he was nailed to a cross.
I'm very surprised to hear that your "faith" in God, is actually faith in yourself, since you are SAVING YOURSELF by your own works. No wonder you are such a stickler for proper protocol and are so proud of it.
Or did I read you wrong, or maybe you mispoke?
If you are saving yourself, through your own works, then you certainly don't need a "Savior" do you? You're saving yourself.
The really itchy thing though, about a works-based salvation policy, is that you could technically, live a near perfect life, and if you commit that one sin... even in your heart... say lusting after a woman, and that lust enters your heart even for a split scond, and you DIE right then....
Game over. Huh?
neanderpaul wrote:So if God let sin into heaven he would be a liar. He is not a liar.
But you have a sin nature.
You inherited it, right?
Have you gotten rid of it?
Have you stopped sinning?
And if not, why not?
Also... When do you think you will have beaten it, and stopped sinning altogether? 50 years old? 60? 75 years old? I hope your family has good genes... it may take a while to get to a place where you "never sin again".
Or is it all just a crap shoot?
I died on a really good day, and made it in! WooHoo!
I messed up that one day, and... BUMMER.... My Father, whose favored torture method is fire apparently... burns me on a daily basis, 24/7 FOREVER, cause that's the luck of the draw... I died in the wrong frame of mind.
One more scenario...
Clearly you believe that you can have a whole laundry list of sins BEHIND you, right? As long as when you hear the truth, and stop sinning, and follow the commandments, etc... Clearly you believe that our PAST is not held accountable to us, once we find God and get on the right plan.
How sucky would it be, if for example, YOU had been good all your life, after getting on God's program and becoming a child of God of course, but on the day you died... you were lying there in the hospital bed, and some doctor at the hospital groped your wife in front of you, and said "You know baby... when this guy dies, which is soon, trust me... here's my numer... give me a call!"
And let's say that in your weakened state, about to die and all, you mess up, and that guy's statement really gets to you, and you and you want to kill him. You don't actually kill him... you just fantasize that for a moment... one single moment. That's the sin of murder (spiritual murder) and would keep you from God, FOREVER and turn you into one of his roasted marshmallow treats!
There' this other guy. A really old man now. And he has indulged in just, every kind of conceivable sin there is. He's ripped off his business partners, had more affairs than Tiger Woods, decided he was bisexual and started sleeping with men too, and even... watched animal porn on the internet! But some doctor or nurse, witnesses to him, on his very death bed, and he repents of all his sins, determines to turn over a new leaf, starts writing out the 10 commandments so he can remember them and follow them every day, and as he is writing out those 10 commandments, with thoughts of NOTHING BUT GOD and LOVE and GOODNESS and HOLINESS in his mind and heart.... BOOM!!!!
Died in the best possible frame of mind.
You had lived almost perfectly. But the wrong sin at the wrong time, and that's it for you bro!
But this former reprobate, sinner all his life, gets saved only minutes before death, and he was in a judgeless state, as high spiritually as one can get, because of his new lease on his spiritual life, and he is ushered into Paradise!
You had lived so good all this time. So many decades, but that one mistake. And it was all wiped away, as if you had never done a good thing in your life.
A fair God designed that?
Anyone else think that seems fair?