This is a MUSIC forum. Irrelevant or disrespectful posts/topics will be removed by Admin. Please report any forum spam or inappropriate posts HERE.

All users can post to this forum on general music topics.

Moderators: bandmixmod1, jimmy990, spikedace

#89559 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:17 am
With victory in House, health care reform moves to Senate
November 8, 2009

Image

House narrowly passes health care reform bill

Republicans decry bill's passage, saying it will add to country's mounting debt


Health care debate moves to Senate, which will vote on its version
Washington (CNN) -- The House of Representatives passed a sweeping health care bill Saturday night with a tight vote of 220-215, making it the biggest expansion of health care coverage since Medicare was created more than 40 years ago.

The Affordable Health Care for America Act, or H.R. 3962, restricts insurance companies from denying coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition or charging higher premiums based on gender or medical history. It also provides federal subsidies to those who cannot afford it and guarantees coverage for 96 percent of Americans, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

However, turning the bill into law remains uncertain.

The bill barely squeaked by in the Democrat-controlled House, with just one Republican voting for it -- first-time lawmaker Joseph Cao who holds a seat in predominantly Democratic New Orleans.

One hundred and seventy-six Republicans opposed it, as did 39 Democrats.

The Senate must now pass its own version of the health care legislation.

Senate lawmakers are also having a hard time winning over Republicans and conservative Democrats. It is unclear when the Senate will vote on its version.

Even if it passes, lawmakers in the House and Senate will have to reconcile their respective versions into one document and vote again.

President Obama said he was "absolutely confident" the Senate will follow suit in passing its version of the bill.

"I look forward to signing comprehensive health insurance reform into law by the end of the year," he said.

With eight seconds left in the voting period, Democrats began counting down, erupting in roars when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared, "The bill is passed."


READ THE BILL HERE:

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf


Democrat Sheila Jackson-Lee from Texas waved a copy of the bill while her colleagues pumped their fists.

"Democrats voted for the bill and a Republican voted for the bill. That's bipartisan," Pelosi said later.

Republican lawmakers stood silently across the floor, some with their arms folded across their chest.

"Well, it was about what I thought it would be," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio as he quickly exited.

Later, he issued a statement where he said the $1.2 trillion legislation would add to the country's "skyrocketing" debt. Democrats have said the bill will cut the deficit by $104 billion over 10 years.

"I came here to renew the American Dream, so my kids and their kids have the same opportunities I had," Boehner said. "I came here to fight big-government monstrosities like this bill that dim the light of freedom and diminish opportunity for future generations."

Michael Steele, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, released an equally tersely-worded statement.

"Nancy Pelosi and her liberal lieutenants made a lot of promises today to get the votes they desperately needed," he said. "Make no mistake -- the Democrat leadership's assurances were based on political expediency, not principle. Anyone receiving a promise from Pelosi is guaranteed to be disappointed in the end when their votes are no longer needed."

Earlier in the day, Obama met behind closed doors with Democrats to shore up support for the bill, calling it a chance of a generation.

In the run-up to the vote, Republicans and conservative Democrats joined forces to pass an amendment to the bill to prohibit federal funds for abortion services.

Its consideration was considered a big win for them and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which used its power, especially with conservative Democrats in swing congressional districts, to help force other Democratic leaders to permit a vote that most of them oppose.

Democrats voted for the bill and a Republican voted for the bill. That's bipartisan

--Nancy Pelosi
The prohibition, introduced by Democratic members, including Rep. Brad Ellsworth of Indiana and Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan, would exclude cases of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger.

The GOP accounted for 174 of the votes in favor of the amendment, with one Republican voting "present."

On the Democrat's side, 64 voted for the measure, and 194 voted against.

A second amendment, introduced by Boehner, would have substituted several sections of the health care bill dealing with insurance. Legislators voted against the amendment 258-176.

Rep. John Dingell of Michigan, the longest-serving member of the House, presided over the debate. Since joining the House in 1955 to replace his father, Dingell, 83, has introduced his father's health insurance bill every year since.

"The nation will be grateful to us all," he said, urging the House to pass the bill.

It did, after a lengthy contentious session. Later, the Democrats made it clear they are braced for a fight if one awaits them in the Senate.

"Today, Congressional Democrats put opponents of reform on notice: the status quo is unsustainable and inaction is not an option," said Tim Kaine, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. "This vote doesn't mark the end of this process -- we still have a ways to go -- but it is a critical milestone on the road to passing health insurance reform.

"The American people want reform -- they need reform -- and Democrats will not rest until we pass comprehensive health reform legislation."

#89562 by fisherman bob
Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:26 am
NOTHING is written in stone. Everybody's worried , and rightfully so. But if the Senate passes a bill, and that is questionable, the law can be changed or eliminated in the future. Democrats are in the majority. They are taking a poitical risk getting this passed. If it's eventually signed into law (again it might not happen) then we all have to abide by it and hope some good comes of it. I have my doubts it will work without significant tort reform. But tort reform may be needed in the future to make this bil work better. Again, let's all hope whatever happens it eventually is beneficial for all AMericans...Don't get too worried about this. I'm hopeful it all works out for the best...eventually.

#89563 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:26 am
A friend of mine went to Washington DC to protest the health care bill. It was a big event, with people going to their congressperson's office.

Papers were reporting "hundreds" showing up.

She said it was 20,000 protestors at least.

She was there. It had to at least be thousands, for her to say that.

Typical bullsh*t. Media spinning things to INFLUENCE events, rather than just REPORT on them.

.

#89564 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:30 am
fisherman bob wrote:Again, let's all hope whatever happens it eventually is beneficial for all AMericans...Don't get too worried about this. I'm hopeful it all works out for the best...eventually.



I think most people agree that Healthcare needs reforming, but aren't convinced THIS BILL is the way to go.

But I haven't read it yet.

I'm not even sure if all of our representatives have even read the damn thing yet?

.

#89569 by philbymon
Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:07 pm
"But I haven't read it yet."

I'm sure that I don't have that kind of time, between actually READING those pages, & looking things up in a legalese dictionary (which I haven't yet purchased. All I know is that I'll prolly be fined for not going with the flow to get all of those damned drugs that they wanna pump into me for the rest of my (un)natural life...

#89574 by Chippy
Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:41 pm
Crowds always seem bigger to those involved. At least I've found that to be the case at sporting events.

#89579 by fisherman bob
Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:08 pm
A friend of mine went to that protest meeting. He didn't say there was that many people.

#89580 by Rev Mike
Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:21 pm
I don't know how a bill can be constitutional if it REQUIRES Americans to PURCHASE health insurance!!! We cant even force parents to vaccinate their children because that is unconstitutional, so how the hell can the government say that we HAVE to BUY insurance? Its not like a car insurance, where if you don't want to buy it you don't have to drive...this is insurance that if you don't buy it you can go to jail!!! WTF

#89596 by philbymon
Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:49 pm
No worries - it won't pass.

#89621 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:12 pm
fisherman bob wrote:A friend of mine went to that protest meeting. He didn't say there was that many people.



This last one?

They've protested in Washington DC a couple of times now, and both times the media severely underestimated the numbers. My friend is a truck driver and she was there for BOTH of the major events held there.

This last one though, if I am not mistaken was at various congressional offices, spread out in different locations.

Why don't you ask your friend... whether he felt there were HUNDREDS there, or THOUSANDS.

Maybe he didn't say anything because the first one they held was so HUGE compared to this one. There were hundreds of thousands at the first one. My friend said the people were as far as the eye could see (in the first one) and people were packed in everywhere.

.

#89630 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:31 pm
None of this is gonna happen , half the people at those protests were Canadiens, afraid they might be cut out of good health care, They will save us from ourselves. God save the queen. :lol:

#89633 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:40 pm
Rev Mike wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul



----- quotes ------

If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.


.

#89649 by gbheil
Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:09 pm
The word is that the CEO of the hospital system for which I work said that if and when it passes they will lay off 1 out of every five nurses to maintain profatability.
That will greatly improve your healthcare right there wont it.
Be carefull what you ask for.
You may get it.

#89650 by RhythmMan
Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:59 pm
Hey, how about keeping this music site for music, instead of politics and religion?
:)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests