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This is not new.. Lobbyists for insurance companies help sqaush this a long time ago. Our politicians, have let us down. I'm not going to make this a long post,,,,, I would rather you folks figure it out.
TAX FREE MEDICAL ACCOUNTS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL and EXTENDED FAMILY'S CONTROL, NOT BIG GOVT. I know many of you are going to miss the point of this,I only want my govt to provide for the common defense. I don't want my govt to teach me morals,and attempt to CONTROL every aspect of our freedoms.
This healthcare issue is not about healthcare,,,,, Its about big govt control. It is also about third party providers taking a major cut,in profits.

What does this have to do with music?

Thats astupid question, just like record companies and radio stations controlling what you can listen to

In the most respectful way I can muster, "tell someone in govt."

In a most respectfull way, you sound like someone who likes to be told what to do. Leave me out of it.

Captain,

It's a MUSICIANS forum... not a MUSIC forum.

We can share our concerns and opinions with other MUSICIANS here.


GongHead,

Captain DOES have a point though, about TELLING GOVERNMENT.

My mother forwards these "LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY" kind of circular emails to me, on a DAILY basis. And no doubt they get around to MILLIONS of people eventually. But MOST of them don't go out and protest. They don't ORGANIZE. They don't create sites teaching other concerned Americans what they can do LEGALLY to fix things, like pressure their Congressmen to introduce legislation on things, or go to their Walmarts and get petitions signed, etc...

They just send these emails out.

Which at the most, may encourage them to vote against certain legislators at the next election cycle. But they are SAYING it is an emergency situation, yet they don't ACT like they are enduring an emergency. They stay in their air-condition and forward emails.

That's not gonna be enough.

GongHead for the most part I agree with you. The function of Federal Government as envisioned by our Founders is to limit their role, to doing the things that individuals cannot do for themselves, because they are larger than a community's resources to handle. Like National Defense, Interstate and highway system... etc...

I would argue that health care falls into this category, unless it is reformed in some other way. It is too expensive, and decent health care is out of reach for MILLIONS of Americans. Drugs can cost $60 or more PER PILL, depending on the medication. This alsmot FORCES one to have insurance, which can easily be over 1/4 of someone's income. When we are going to spend BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars of OUR TAX MONEY to aid governments OUTSIDE our borders, we should be able to do something WITH OUR OWN TAX MONEY for our own citizens.

Healthcare is in the NATION'S interest. Healthy workers are more productive and depend less on government assistance, because they are healthy enough to work and pay their own bills, without being in debt for the rest of their lives, merely because they needed surgery for something.

Goingly I've been saying this for some years and often getting nabbed for it but they do. People/Businesses and product marketers watch market trends and since Music is a part of it even though it may just be a commercial add (Spit) Music sells things.

I hear the 70's may come back into vogue again (Whistle).

GONGHEAD wrote:record companies and radio stations controlling what you can listen to

All insurance and retirement should be privatised and non taxable EVER
Instead of paying protection racket money to big insurance and big government we could have our own accounts and buy new guitars.
Thats what it has to do with music and musicians.

GONGHEAD wrote:This healthcare issue is not about healthcare,,,,, Its about big govt control. It is also about third party providers taking a major cut,in profits.

Someone was listening to Rush Limbaugh on Fox...

I think that if you think it's about control, you've listened to too much of the radioactive right wing media.

The health care issues is about providing 45 million uninsured people with some health care. If you have a problem with that... I don't know what else to say.

I don't think this is an easy problem to solve. There are a lot of complexities to it. But as suggested - if you really want to make your voice heard, e-mail or call or send a letter to your congressman.

I just send out an e-mail to all of the congressman in my state on a different issue (internet gambling). I got a printed reply back from a couple of them. I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but I figure if enough of us poker players flood them with e-mails and letters they've got to at least be aware of our presence...

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT NATIONAL HEALTHCARE IS MAKING ME VERY ILL. THERE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF MAJOR TORT REFORM IN THE NATIONAL HEALTHCARE PROPOSALS. IT DOESN'T TAKE AN IDIOT TO FIGURE OUT WE CANNOT REDUCE HEALTHCARE COSTS WHEN OVER HALF THE INCOME OF DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS GOES TOWARD MEDICAL LIABILITY INSURANCE. WE HAVE TO GET THE LEGAL PROFESSIONALS OUT OF THE PICTURE AND APPARENTLY OBAMA IS PAYING BACK ALL THE ATTORNEYS WHO HELPED GET HIM ELECTED BY NOT WANTING TORT REFORM. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEADS ONCE AND FOR ALL. THE LAWYERS HAVE ALL OF US BY THE BALLS, THEY NEED TO LET GO PERMANENTLY. PERIOD.

Good point Bob!

Doctors EXPECT lawsuits.

ALL OF THEM

No matter how great a doctor they are.

It's a... let's get rich suing someone mentality.

I dont have health insurance.
I dont want health insurance.
If I decide I want health insurance, I'll get it myself.
Please subtract my 1, from that 45 miilion cocksuckers who want to ride the boat with having to row.

^ Without ^

GONGHEAD wrote:This is not new.. Lobbyists for insurance companies help sqaush this a long time ago. Our politicians, have let us down. I'm not going to make this a long post,,,,, I would rather you folks figure it out.
TAX FREE MEDICAL ACCOUNTS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL and EXTENDED FAMILY'S CONTROL, NOT BIG GOVT. I know many of you are going to miss the point of this,I only want my govt to provide for the common defense. I don't want my govt to teach me morals,and attempt to CONTROL every aspect of our freedoms.
This healthcare issue is not about healthcare,,,,, Its about big govt control. It is also about third party providers taking a major cut,in profits.

here's my question:
Why do you expect the gov to baby you?
The reason I dont support gov health care is becuase they control it, meaning also, that you may not get any becuase of a condition you may have. gov healthcare is the next step to socialism. Remember hitler? he was elected too, gave gov healthcare too. How can you trust a goverment body anyways? look at the last century ALONE and you'll have no reason to. The Mao ages, Hitler, Stalin, Africa. Pssh what help governments have been huh?

Someone's not a "co**sucker" merely because they disagree with you.

That's personally offensive.

It is also a juvenile position to assign a motivation of "wanting the government to baby you", which betrays a lack of investigation of the issue, and/or knowledge of history, just because you believe that healthcare is a critical enough issue, that it should be universally available to all citizens of a country.

Both are offensive. Both are soundbites, used in place of substantive discussion.

Before the advent of government oversight of medicine itself, about 100 years ago...

Those promoting the creation of the Food and Drug administration itself would, I suppose, have been labeled the same sort of "cocksuckers" and "babysitters" for anyone not wanting to address the real problems it was designed to solve.

Medicine, 100 years ago, was not regulated.

Entrepreneurs, the backbone of our economic prosperity to be sure, but also, very often, NOT paragons of morality and decency, would, in an effort to create wealth... for themselves, put just about anything, in a bottle and call it "medicine". The ingredients, not always readily available from a family farm or in a small community, sometimes, actually worked and relieved symtoms of their disorders and ailments, but other times, and far too often, it could KILL YOU. Arsenic was placed in "medicine" and other benign things like "Mercury". You may die that day, you may just get deathly ill and die months later, long after the traveling medicine man had moved onto the next town.

Our "evil" "babysitting" government became alarmed at the number of citizens getting ill and dying, from the complete free reign these businessmen had in putting "God knows what" in a bottle, and marketing it as a "cure all" with "proven benefits", etc...

Many lives have been saved, due to the evil government's strict regulations of not only "medicine" but our food and beverages as well. People died all the time, from how meat used to be processed alone. Government standards for these things, through the law, so they can be punished by law, have made our food supply and medicine supply, among the safest in the world.

Things can go too far, of course. Which is why being vigilant as citizens is important. But to tar and feather things like "government oversight" in such general terms, does a disservice to us all.

It's funny, how people will condemn how "absurd" reforming our healthcare system would be, and yet when someone wanted to sue the "evil" cigarette industry for false advertisment, supposedly resulting in deaths of millions, no one mocked that at all, when THAT was a worthy target for such mockery. Only a fool could believe that cigarettes would not be harmful to health, when it's number one side effect is hacking your lungs out. People have known for thousands of years that you can die from smoke inhalation, and here we are PURPOSEFULLY putting it into our bodies, but... "No FAIR!!!! I didn't know this was bad for me! I thought hacking my lungs out was a sign of health!!! SOMEONE PAY ME!!!!"

THAT is absurd.

It is NOT absurd however, that a COMMUNITY, which is ultimately what a tribe, city, state and country are, should insure that it's citizens have access to affordable care that can save their lives.

When people have to make decisions about whether to maintain a place to live for their children, or have a necessary operation for themselves, SOMETHING IS WRONG!

Because of how medical insurance is set up, HMO's and all the rest, people are literally FORCED to make unhealthy and even life threatening decisions every day in this country, between saving their health, or losing their homes and feeding their families.

A typical example is that you may have a set amount that once paid, you are good for the rest of the year, meaning, no more out of pocket payments if something else went wrong with you that year. This leads MANY people, who need operations SOONER, rather than later, to realize "Hmm... the doctor said I need this surgery right away, but it's only two and a half months to the end of the year, and if something else goes wrong with me, I would have to pay a large fee again, and in this economy, I just can't afford that. What if something WORSE happened to me, and I couldn't afford it? Whereas, if I wait for two and a half months to have this surgery, and have it in January, I will be covered for the WHOLE YEAR next year, without paying any more out of pocket. I better take my chances, and wait two and a half months to have the surgery!"

NO ONE should have to make that kind of decision, when they are supposed to be INSURED.

Since time began, citizens of COMMUNITIES have always given aid to their fellow tribe members, for the betterment of the tribe itself. They are part of the community, they help fight rival tribes, they produce for the betterment of the tribe... they are there for us, we will be there for them.

But in today's ISOLATION existence, we could live YEARS to a neighbor next door, that we never even bother to find out about or even introduce ourselves to. We are ISLANDS in the midst of crowded cities. No wonder crime is rampant and people have a selfish and self-serving attitude toward the health and even SAFETY of others.

You take care of you, and I'll take care of ME. PERIOD! Which is what leads to someone screaming for help while being murdered on their own doorstep in New York and NO ONE even calls 911.

When you don't "KNOW" someone, it is easier to victimize them, or let them be victimized by others.

It's their problem, not mine!

This is not about lazy "cocksuckers" or "people in need of babysitters"

It is about COMMUNITY, and the wholeness of our COMMUNITIES.

So much would improve...

If only we began to think of ourselves as COMMUNITIES again.