General Music Chat

I have enjoyed playing and entertaining by my Fltues most of my days.

I have just picked up a Dulcimer from Ozarks recently and the sound is SO awesome. I have always admired guitar players but had other interest. But I find people really love fltue. They have forgot the great kings as Ian Anderson in Rock and Roll.
So- I make nosie that way.

A flute player. Awesome. Good to hear from you.

How long have you been playing flute? You also play the Irish Whistle? You know there is guy by the name of Irminsul who plays the Celtic Harp and is into Celtic music and another guy by the name Celticpiping who plays the bagpipes. I would like to hear the 3 of you guys together.

Ian Anderson is awesome. He is also a very cool guy and very talented. I have heard several interviews with him and he is very funny.

You into Jethro Tull?

Last time I seen Tull was in CHI at the Opara House. Waukeegan was a really nice concert this last tour. He is a Very interedting guy..and WOW what a man with showmanship!!!! How he dances around stage and keeps that flute right on to his lips...lol Blowing away perfect!

I just back from CHI seeing Wishbone Ash..Now thats a Great Band with Harmony!! Ever heard?
I love to hang in CHI..lol Eventhough I am in Seattle now.

Irish music is nice. Ever hear of Fish' ? Iona'? I got my first few profession whisltes from a flute maker in Asheville..Abell. Nice flutes too!
I guess a person always pays good money for good product huh.

Ever gig at Dirty Nelles monday nights open mics?

Cool stuff. Are you originally from Chi? I am from the south side burbs of Chi Berwyn/Cicero.

Wishbone Ash? Heard of em? Heck yea. They are great. My uncle turned me on to them when I was kid. He threw on one of there albums and it just caught my attention. I was like wow, this is cool who is it and he said Wishbone Ash. I have liked them ever since.

Dirty Nellies? I played the old one. Haven't seen or set foot in the new one but I hear it's nice. We also use to play a really nice club out in Downers Grove called Isn't it's? You ever hear of that one?

If your mentioning Dirty Nellies that tells me your a North sider.

Go cubs!

Grew up in the Larmie and Grand hood. Joined Army in 74. Have been out of CHI since then except for visits. CHI there is to much stuff going on. I guess can be an likeable thing. Cost for flying into and out is nice too.

We used to go to Nellies in the 70's..lol Went there a few yrs back to see Ash. I usually fly in to see Ash when they do a yearly tour. Andy Powell has a very nice style. Then we seen this group called The Musical Box' they are awesome..they do all the old Genesis tunes. This was a concert Selling England by the Pound". They have all the org. equipment from Genesis. The singer sings just like Peter. The drumer is as good as Collins. Oh my on the Keys...Rocking...lol I have also adored Tony Banks style and works of art!!

Eventhough I am a Christian I still love my Progressive Rock!! Oh well.

U do open mics in the south end? Do music for a living?

Hmmm...Jethro Tull and Genesis, two old favorites. Genesis used a bit of flute here and there too, I know on Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and I think in a couple other albums. Peter Gabriel played flute if I remember correctly.

Ian Anderson playing flute is actually Martin Barre's doing. He played flute when he first joined the band, Ian liked it and decided to learn it and add it to the band's sound. I've only seen Martin play flute once, in San Antonio at an old opera house, the Roots to Branches tour. Ian had taken a fall onstage in Lima, Peru 2 weeks earlier and was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of the tour. We thought it was a stage prop at first, but I noticed he never even twitched his left leg. After the first 3 songs he announced that he had sustained a knee injury after falling onstage. Martin played a bit of flute in one song later on, and I think he played mandolin when everyone switched instruments.

Next time I saw Tull was in St Louis after the Dot Com album, Ian was recovered but didn't move around nearly as much as he did in earlier days, like the Houston show I saw during their Under Wraps tour. Undoubtedly the best showman I've ever seen, always the best sound quality of any rock band, (I haven't had the chance to see Genesis or Pink Floyd though, they both supposedly sound great too) and everyone onstage always plays more than one instrument. Ian plays everything as far as I can find out, he's recorded several Tull songs by himself, most notably Fat Man. Flute, guitar, keyboards, drums, mandolin, violin, trumpet, sax, I'm not sure there are many instruments he can't play...

Musical Box...you just had to mention that, now I have to dig out my Genesis stuff and see if I still have a working copy...I had Nursery Crime on tape at one time, but wore it out...the only ones I have on CD now are Lamb Lies Down and Wind and Wuthering. Gotta get Nursery Crime on CD one of these days, and Trick of the Tail, 1st one Collins sang on and probably my very favorite Genesis album. Isn't Musical Box on Selling England by the Pound? Can't remember...

And did you know that when they first started playing live gigs Genesis set up in a circle facing each other the same way they did in the practice room? They didn't know, set up facing each other onstage until someone told them they needed to face the audience. Their first few gigs though, they were all sitting in chairs in a circle on stage so they could see each other, same as in the practice room.

Another bit of trivia.. When Martin Barre auditioned for Jethro Tull he was too shy and unsure of himself, he didn't plug into an amp, he had Ian Anderson listen with his ear against the guitar. (I'm not absolutely positive that's a fact, but it was supposedly from an Anderson interview) Ian liked him and thought he had potential so he gave Martin a chance. Martin still won't talk into a mic onstage to this day. He did happen to say something after being prodded by Anderson in San Antonio, a very rare occasion, the drunk idiot beside me wouldn't shut up so I could hear what he said...3 or 4 words quietly and that was it...

Hmmm...what was the topic again???

Welcome onboard crky,
I've been known to "tootle about" on the ole' recorder myself, although if I had to earn my living at it ,I'm sure I would starve.

Reading your post, I got to thinking about some flute stuff I like to listen to besides Ian and company.This is what I came up with "short and sweet",

"Flute Thing"........... The Blues Project

"Timothy Leery's Dead"........Moody Blues

"Syrinx" ........ Claude Debussy

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

Recommendation, man, look for a second guitarist. Metal bands that have only three members (One guitar, a bass, and a drummer) tend to sound like they are missing something. You need a rhythm guitarist.

I have watched time and time again bands with just one guitarist, it sounds plain.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

Recommendation, man, look for a second guitarist. Metal bands that have only three members (One guitar, a bass, and a drummer) tend to sound like they are missing something. You need a rhythm guitarist.

I have watched time and time again bands with just one guitarist, it sounds plain.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Unless you are another Eddie Van Halen, Alex Liefson or Frank Marino. They are masterful guitarists who have learned how to do something most guitarists haven't - make use of the empty spaces.

In art school that was called "sculpting negative space".

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

Recommendation, man, look for a second guitarist. Metal bands that have only three members (One guitar, a bass, and a drummer) tend to sound like they are missing something. You need a rhythm guitarist.

I have watched time and time again bands with just one guitarist, it sounds plain.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

I have never seen the need for two guitarists in rock/metal. I see very few (if any) metal bands composing anything intricate that would require two guitarists.

The best they do is a harmony lead.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I can't think of any.

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

Recommendation, man, look for a second guitarist. Metal bands that have only three members (One guitar, a bass, and a drummer) tend to sound like they are missing something. You need a rhythm guitarist.

I have watched time and time again bands with just one guitarist, it sounds plain.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Unless you are another Eddie Van Halen, Alex Liefson or Frank Marino. They are masterful guitarists who have learned how to do something most guitarists haven't - make use of the empty spaces.

In art school that was called "sculpting negative space".

Some teachers and mediocre intellects would consider that "over playing". LOL

Well, let us think about something Wegman. Take Metallica for instance, when Kirk Hammett goes into a solo he has the second guitar (Rhythm, James Hetfield) playing the rhythm section of the song. When it is the other way around, where there is only a bass player and no second guitarist, it sounds empty when a guitarist solos. If you are playing just sheer rhythm with no solos, maybe you can pull it off with enough gain, and maybe even adding a harmonizer pedal, or driving through dual amps.

My point is, a second guitarist makes metal fuller. Megadeth does the same thing, one plays the solo, one plays the rhythm. It just sounds too plain when a bass is carrying the load of a second guitar and itself.

I can name many bands who are metal or rock with more than one guitarist:

1. Lamb of God (Will Adler and Mark Morton)
2. Megadeth (Dave Mustaine and Glenn Drover, or in the past Marty Friedman, or others)
3. Metallica (James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, at one time Dave Mustaine)
4. Smashing Pumpkins (Billy Corgan and Jeff Shroeder)
5. The Eagles (Not too familiar with their names, do not feel like looking it up)
6. Lynard Skynard (I think all of them played guitar, lmao)

So apparently, it is helpful. Now there are bands who only have one, like Led Zeppelin or Blind Faith. But in heavier music, especially metal, I think you need two.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Grew up in the Larmie and Grand hood. Joined Army in 74. Have been out of CHI since then except for visits. CHI there is to much stuff going on. I guess can be an likeable thing. Cost for flying into and out is nice too.

We used to go to Nellies in the 70's..lol Went there a few yrs back to see Ash. I usually fly in to see Ash when they do a yearly tour. Andy Powell has a very nice style. Then we seen this group called The Musical Box' they are awesome..they do all the old Genesis tunes. This was a concert Selling England by the Pound". They have all the org. equipment from Genesis. The singer sings just like Peter. The drumer is as good as Collins. Oh my on the Keys...Rocking...lol I have also adored Tony Banks style and works of art!!

Eventhough I am a Christian I still love my Progressive Rock!! Oh well.

U do open mics in the south end? Do music for a living?

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Laramie and Grand eh? Very familair with the hood up there. I would get invited to parties up there which was like a special invitaion because the north and south siders for the most part didn't mingle as you know. Dirty Nellies actually was down on us when they heard we were a south side band. We weren't sophisticated enough for the crowd up there you know. LOL Did you come in just to see Wishbone Ash?

I am a Christian too but still like rock/metal.

No I don't do open mics and no, I don't do music for living anymore even though it was not much of a living at the time. I can't find anyone to jam with. I just jock around and throw jams together and post them.

What about you? You flute on a regular basis or for public performance?

Hey here is one for you. I used to run sound at a church up here in Northwoods every weekend. It was about 1200 seats and had a 48 channel 20,000 watt sound system. The band was huge with winds, strings, percussion, piano, guitars, and 20 member choir. Roughly about 35 musicians. Anyway I was going to church there for a while and the sound was horrible for such an awesome system so I ask them if they need help with sound. They say oh geez yes. I will spare you just how bad the sound was but let me just say when I set the board to unity to start mixing they looked at me like why are you doing that? Anyway. Well every week prior to me running sound I would see the flute player just playing her heart and you could not hear a note. I could tell from the way she was playing she was awesome so the first week I take over sound I cranked the flute to give her here props and get her in the mix for a change. She was phenominal. So I have the mix down and it sounds choice where I am sitting. The music director comes over to me and I ask him how the sound is. He says well really good, but what's the deal with the flute? It's a little loud. I am like really, you think so? He goes well, in that piece the flute is the focal instrument so I guess that is why you had up. I was like oh yea, exactly. LOL I didn't even look at the set list.

The bottom line was this guy finally heard the flute after it being buried in the mix since the beginning of time. It was not to loud, it simply now could be heard, along with the rest of the band rather then the mush that was the sound before. I had a bunch of members come up to me after the service and tell me that was the first time they ever heard the flute and wow was she good. The poor girl had been playing her heart out for who knows how long and no one ever heard how good she was.

So I have done my part in giving the flute it's props. LOL

Well, let us think about something Wegman. Take Metallica for instance, when Kirk Hammett goes into a solo he has the second guitar (Rhythm, James Hetfield) playing the rhythm section of the song. When it is the other way around, where there is only a bass player and no second guitarist, it sounds empty when a guitarist solos. If you are playing just sheer rhythm with no solos, maybe you can pull it off with enough gain, and maybe even adding a harmonizer pedal, or driving through dual amps.

My point is, a second guitarist makes metal fuller. Megadeth does the same thing, one plays the solo, one plays the rhythm. It just sounds too plain when a bass is carrying the load of a second guitar and itself.

I can name many bands who are metal or rock with more than one guitarist:

1. Lamb of God (Will Adler and Mark Morton)
2. Megadeth (Dave Mustaine and Glenn Drover, or in the past Marty Friedman, or others)
3. Metallica (James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, at one time Dave Mustaine)
4. Smashing Pumpkins (Billy Corgan and Jeff Shroeder)
5. The Eagles (Not too familiar with their names, do not feel like looking it up)
6. Lynard Skynard (I think all of them played guitar, lmao)

So apparently, it is helpful. Now there are bands who only have one, like Led Zeppelin or Blind Faith. But in heavier music, especially metal, I think you need two.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Your entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong you are. Let me lay it out there.

1. Lamb of God (Will Adler and Mark Morton)
Suck

2. Megadeth (Dave Mustaine and Glenn Drover, or in the past Marty Friedman, or others)
Ok but over rated.

3. Metallica (James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, at one time Dave Mustaine)
Metallica is one band that actually does do something interesting with two guitars and thus why I believe they achieved success. They especially used them on their older albums.

4. Smashing Pumpkins (Billy Corgan and Jeff Shroeder)
Please. Nine guitars couldn't help them. (Donning flak jacket and kevlar helmet again)

5. The Eagles (Not too familiar with their names, do not feel like looking it up)
Dude, eagles are not metal. They don't count. As far as the guitar players which time frame are you talking? It is either Glenn Frey, Joe Walsh. Bernie Leadon, or Don Felder

6. Lynard Skynard (I think all of them played guitar, lmao)
Again not metal. Doesn't count.

Ok I am kinda pulling your chain here but Irminsul hit it right on. Why is it that Rush sounds like 20 guys when it is only three and other bands have 5 and they sound like 3?

As Irminsul stated it has to do with composition and the abilty to fill what would be the voids most other bands/players would leave.

I am a drummer, but new to the sight.

Recommendation, man, look for a second guitarist. Metal bands that have only three members (One guitar, a bass, and a drummer) tend to sound like they are missing something. You need a rhythm guitarist.

I have watched time and time again bands with just one guitarist, it sounds plain.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Hey, this is the non guitarist thread. Don't bring up the G word again.

We can't go five mintues without bringing up the guitar.