General Music Chat

Kramerguy, you prove my point essentially. Your bias places you where you are. My worldview and bias places me where I am. Some people want freedom and liberty. Others want politicians to take money from those "who have too much," and give it to those who do not. Marxism.

BTW, the rant about Denmark was not mine. I took it from a discussion board doing a search on "Is Denmark happy." Anecdotal, yes. No more or less so than your own stated experiences of American healthcare. HERE is the difference. I DO NOT have health insurance, Do not want health insurance, and if John Roberts did not rewrite the bloody law for Obama, would not be forced by federal law to have health insurance.

We can go back and forth all day long about the problems with America. Again, the difference is as long as America remains a Constitutional Republic with limited government Americans can always vote with their wallets who from and what they buy. Once capitalism is gone and government takes control that is it. Outside of bloody civil war/revolution America will never again have freedom to choose. Politicians will decide everything for us.

It is bad enough I have to buckle my seat belt, go to the town for permission to add something to my home on my private property and have to do it according to "international codes," use wood stoves "approved" by the federal government which has driven up prices 500% and ruined dozens of companies unable to pay for testing, and a thousand other things feds have done to screw up American freedom and liberty and commerce.

If you want socialism, go to a socialist nation. Last I read up to 60% of doctors will think about leaving their careers when Obamacare kicks in. Tell me how that helps healthcare.

Insurance companies in bed with politicians has done as much to ruin American healthcare as anything else. As near as I can read American healthcare has changed the world, and were it not for American healthcare the world would still be coming here for medical procedures unknown to other nations.

Capitalists. I do not care how wealthy they get. Just give me my freedom to build a better mousetrap and compete without regs up to my eyes, which, factually sent Steve Jobs and Apple to China. Have you seen pictures of these units housing 250,000 people in the same places they work in? It is mind boggling. Well, now that China is owed what it is, and is buying land in America to build the same type of units, we will see soon enough what it's like to see 3000 lbs of rice cooked daily for workers to eat in cafeterias so big they make Yankee stadium look like a sand box by comparison.

God help us.

BTW, do the math. Every single person on planet earth could easily fit into Texas in a small house with a few feet of yard around it.

Say the planet is overpopulated is just globalist, new world order propaganda. Watch way THAT ultimately results in.

And I must conclude with this. The world is the way it is because it is pushing the Spirit of God away and reaping results all over the globe, no less here. That is also my world view, which tells me Christ is soon to return to this wicked place and close up shop and call it a day.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

And I must conclude with this. The world is the way it is because it is pushing the Spirit of God away and reaping results all over the globe, no less here. That is also my world view, which tells me Christ is soon to return to this wicked place and close up shop and call it a day.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

"The world is the way it is because it is pushing the Spirit of God away..."

i don't mean to make light or trivialize your views but i gotta say....oh, puh-leeeze!

is there anything that's EVER been such a divisive force as religion?????

some famous author said "the problem w christianity is that more christians don't prct it".

i've known plently of atheists who are head and shoulders above many christians i've been around when it comes to being fine upstanding individuals w good values.

Facts are countered with hysterics and logic seems to go to the lowest common denominator of "every man for himself".

that.

you might be able to pile everyone in texas, but the footprint necessary to feed, clothe, shelter, and dispense of their waste is much larger.

take that and multiply it by 7 billion. In 2015 , make it 11 billion.

The planet lacks the resources to sustain such a population. We have already polluted much of the livable areas we have now. The warning signs are everywhere, yet you act like it's all smoke and mirrors.

I said it before- there's no honest debate here. What's the point?

Yeah, I'm biased- I believe in sustainability, society, and being a people, not a bunch of greedy individuals. We can't afford that luxury anymore. We're all in this together, and collectively, we've really fuked up the world pretty badly. You might want to fall on the religion crutch and claim it's all god's will or mankinds punishment for sins, but it's a tub of crap. Our actions directly lead to our consequences. We, as a people, have allowed a small minority of individuals with wealth and power to control the world and rob us of OUR god-given right (see, I can use that too!) to peacefully co-exist and share the resources that god put on this planet for us all.

What gives you any more right to resources than me? The libertarians in teh world would quickly point to darwinsim and mock the less fortunate as weak and undeserving; winner take all.

Collective bargaining, unions, and working together are the only thing the common people have as tools against great evils that would undermine and rape them. And we've watched for two generations the propaganda machine vilify them and trick people into ideals that harm their own self interests.

We all live in this society. The society as a whole is what the world sees of us. Our society suffers as a whole because of individual greed and powermongering.

This will end badly for everyone, this I know.

Leave god out of it, because regardless if he exists, we're clearly on our own. Our future is up to us, and it doesn't look good from where I sit.

BTW, do the math. Every single person on planet earth could easily fit into Texas in a small house with a few feet of yard around it.

Say the planet is overpopulated is just globalist, new world order propaganda. Watch way THAT ultimately results in.

LOL ... what has fitting every single person on earth into Texas have anything to do with what Kramerguy was talking about.

The problem is exponential growth, not how many people can fit into Texas and exponential use of non-renewable resources

The world population from 10,000 BC to 0BC only increased by 200 mil
From 0 BC to 1500 AD it increased from 200 mil to 500 mil and by 1830 there were 1 Bil on the planet and by 1930 there were 2 Bil and in 81 yrs (2011) it will be 7 Bil. The rate of increase is projected to slow down but still we could double the pop by 2060.

Can we feed 8 or 10 Bil people? ... maybe, if there are not to many droughts, floods, warm winters, or other crop failures .... the rate of growth for food required to feed all thes people is exponential, so now a small crop failure has large consequence on food supply.

There is only so much stuff (non-renewable resources) in the ground. Let me clarify that, there is only so much cheap stuff in the ground where there is a net gain between cost of extraction and the price that one can afford to pay for it.

Example:
The net gain for middle east oil from 1930 to about 1970 was around 95% in other words it only took 5% of the energy that was extracted to extract the energy, so we had a net gain of 95%. Now the amount of energy required is up around 30% to extract the energy, so the net gain is 70% and the is only going to get worst not better.

So we have high fuel prices (this is something that no president can fix, this is a function of suppy and demand) and at what price can you no longer afford to fill up your vehicle or put food on the table ... so we start getting into a see-saw economy ... where the commodity prices go up and the economy goes down ...

The world is the way it is because it is pushing the Spirit of God away and reaping results all over the globe, no less here. That is also my world view, which tells me Christ is soon to return to this wicked place and close up shop and call it a day.

The perdition of the return of Christ has been on the books since he died, it has never happened and never will, because man made GOD as a way to control the masses ... so if I were you, I won't be hold my hand over my a*s waiting for that to happen ... that's like basing your retirement plan on winning the lottery

The perdition of the return of Christ has been on the books since he died, it has never happened and never will, because man made GOD as a way to control the masses ... so if I were you, I won't be hold my hand over my a*s waiting for that to happen ... that's like basing your retirement plan on winning the lottery

ballsy stuff there prevost. good for you. of course you DO realize you'll be roasting rotisserie style for all eternity, right? i mean...since christians DO hold the ultimate and perfect trump card....

..."sure, believe as you will. but understand that w/o accepting christ as your saviour you WILL burn in hell FOREVERRRRRRRRRR!"

wow, think of how overcrowded hell must be w all those, jews, muslims, sufis, buddhists, hindus, taoists, shintoists, and....................

Planet guy, correct. There are many people a whole lot nicer than many professed Christians, which is why Christ spoke about hypocrisy as much as He did.

To those who misunderstood my Texas comment it simply showed planet earth is a planet, not a backyard garden. I have zero love for Monsanto and Co. Just the same take all the tyranny, despotism, socialism, fascism, and communism out of the picture there is plenty of food to be grown for a growing world. When dictators want money more then food people starve. That is common sense lost on despotism and government control of food.

On the other hand, as the Bible says, the world grows old as a garment.

Man is messing it up, and yes, Christ said He will destroy those who destroy the earth, Rev 11:18

Just the same overpopulation is nonsense given the entire surface of the habitable globe.

Oh, and btw while there is much I would have in common with other professed Christians on this forum, the doctrine of an eternally burning "hell" is not one of them, as Slacker knows. No such doctrine exists in the Old Testament, nor in the New, if the Bible is allowed to interpret itself, and you keep the man-made stuff out of it.

Meaning no offense to those who believe otherwise.

The perdition of the return of Christ has been on the books since he died, it has never happened and never will, because man made GOD as a way to control the masses ... so if I were you, I won't be hold my hand over my a*s waiting for that to happen ... that's like basing your retirement plan on winning the lottery

ballsy stuff there prevost. good for you. of course you DO realize you'll be roasting rotisserie style for all eternity, right? i mean...since christians DO hold the ultimate and perfect trump card....

..."sure, believe as you will. but understand that w/o accepting christ as your saviour you WILL burn in hell FOREVERRRRRRRRRR!"

wow, think of how overcrowded hell must be w all those, jews, muslims, sufis, buddhists, hindus, taoists, shintoists, and....................

No ... not ballsy ... I'd rather live life to it's fullest and roast in hell, than have my life and dreams ruled by some imaginary guy in space .. I quit believing in imaginary people when I was 5 or 6. I treat people the way I would like to be treated and help those that I can.

"I treat people the way I would like to be treated and help those that I can."

Which, btw, is a principle Jesus taught 2000 years ago. It's a good one, isn't it? Which is precisely why socialism and other such altruistic forms of government cannot work - men will not bow to such humbling notions to work together for common good, especially when a free people rise up and say No. Then pushing begins, and the guy with the biggest guns wins.

Capitalism, as a principle, levels the playing field by the work of each individual to succeed or fail on his own merits, and it works fine, if you keep politicians out of the way. The ruthless will always exist. At least freedom, liberty, and free markets can fight back. If the ruthless are the in control of government, then it is all over without a major fight.

I see progressives as either foolish altruistic Robin Hoods, or ruthless elitists. I know of NO true conservatives who pose a danger to America or Americanism.

There is undeniable evidence that Bin Laden and Ghadafy are really dead. They just registered in the Democratic polls

No ... not ballsy ... I'd rather live life to it's fullest and roast in hell, than have my life and dreams ruled by some imaginary guy in space .

1Co 15:19 If our hope in Christ is good only for this life, we are worse off than anyone else.

You are not the only one who has felt this way. Only God can open the minds of men.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mathew 16:26