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I still have a problem with that view, because Blacks using the "N" word has an element in it of taking the word away from those that hate them and defanging it.

I really don't think that is the case. I haven't investigated it, but I imagine that they were called that in anger, knowing that it was an insult, and when they were mad at another black person, they may have used it themselves with one another, in anger, almost without even thinking. Imagine the recipient, looking up in astonishment, like "What? You're gonna call me what that cracker calls me? And you're a brother???" and maybe they laughed their asses off at it, and it became more humorous, and not necessarily an insult when used amongst one another.

There may have been any number of ways this began spreading, where blacks were using the term with one another, but it seems a little unlikely (to put it mildly) that while manning the plow in the field, one "brother" turned to the other and said...

"Hey man, let's take this word back, by using it on one another!"

"Damn, Charlie, that's the best idea you came up with yet!"


Doubtful

I think it occurred quite by accident.

...you and I do not agree on what a "myth" means. A myth is not a lie.

I don't recall using the word "lie" in reference to myths. I said they were "stories" used to explain things (also to teach various lessons, like parables and fables).

Myths are a very important part of our development. Myths can contain, whether by accident, insight or inspiration, elements that are quite accurate, albeit in simplistic form. For example, I have been amazed at how many myths from diverse cultures, agree that life, first emerged from water, and moved to dry land. A Greek myth states that the beginning of all, was chaos, and out of chaos, order began to appear. There are many such examples. Of course, myth takes different paths as well. Some myths I doubt were ever intended to be taken literally, but likely the audience understood the deeper principles the myth attempted to convey.

Myth has existed since the most ancient of times and while most Urband Legends, are probably more closely related to "folklore" some urban legends could be considered modern myths, when they exist to teach some truth or moral principle for example.

Myth is rooted in creativity, immagination, symbolism, the quest for truth. Mythology is very important. Not only was it an insight into the ancient's own collective consciousness, but for us in a modern era, a unique window into the beliefs, perceptions and mindset of ancient peoples.

They appeal to us today, due to Jungian archetypes, which are found throughout thousands of years of literature and even cave drawings before literature existed. Myths can be powerful, because unconsciously, all humans have been exposed to the archetypes which have been passed down through the ages.

Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" to get have it explained so much better than I ever could do.

Campbell was inspired by Jung's theories. I read Jung's "Man and His Symbols" seems like more than 15 years ago I guess. And of course "The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious" pretty much essential Jung reading.

Lmao!

Okay, as I said, I would only get involved if I knew what I was saying.

Now it is my turn on this whole science crap. Okay people, I took Earth Space Science for a year, I passed with an A average. I studied this before, I will study it in college, and study it in every day life.

First off, Craig is correct, theories and hypotheses are based on empirically viewed situations. First off, no one just says, "Hey, this gas is lighter than air, thus it floats!" for the Hell of it. That is a bunch of crock. I study all of the time, I have my own theories in science, it is based on RESEARCH, yes, big letters, maybe it will come across clearer that way.

Now, as far as the universe goes, and the center. The universe is supposed to be 15 billion years old, our solar system I believe was said to be about 11 billion years old. The Milky Way Galaxy I believe has been considered part of the center of it all. Now, how do scientist know it is expanding? Simple, Edwin Hubble. Hubble was the one who coined the term "Universal Expansion."

Gopher, are you telling me you are smarter than a scientist? I think not. I do not like that kind of junk, acting like all theories are just said for fun. That is completely untrue. Science is based on empirical evidence.

Einstein was also a big player in astronomy, "worm holes," "speed of light," etc... Right now I am a little tired, so my mind is a bit slow, but I still understand what I am talking about.

This universe is expanding, it is a proven fact. The Big Bang theory is a theory, correct, thus it is not necessarily proven true, but accepted as being true by a large portion of the scientific community. I believe the Big Bang happened, I just want to know what caused it? The first elements in this universe were hydrogen, helium, and lithium, and now a lot, if not most, of the universe is hydrogen. It all started way back then, it is a long, in depth, story.

So before you start denouncing scientific facts, do some research.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

You tell'em. G.A.! ( last time I consorted with THE GREAT SPIRIT,however, he told me the solar system was about 4 billion give or take a couple of months) By the way, I'm at the center of the universe, and so are you.
Grand Poobah Uncle Howlin'

Rock on, Uncle Howlin! *He makes a "Rock on" sign with his fingers*

I really don't think that is the case. I haven't investigated it, but I imagine that they were called that in anger, knowing that it was an insult, and when they were mad at another black person, they may have used it themselves with one another, in anger, almost without even thinking. Imagine the recipient, looking up in astonishment, like "What? You're gonna call me what that cracker calls me? And you're a brother???" and maybe they laughed their asses off at it, and it became more humorous, and not necessarily an insult when used amongst one another.

I don't see it that way at all. I think you're reading alot of your own wishology into it. This is an outgrowth of the civil rights movement and the practice of taking a slur "away" from those who were using against a certain group, is well established. Now part of the process of this restyling is to laugh at it, twist it, turn it around and even use it as a joke amongst those of one's own group - all of which is practiced in parts of the Black community. Lesbians did a similar thing with the term "dike".

Campbell was inspired by Jung's theories. I read Jung's "Man and His Symbols" seems like more than 15 years ago I guess. And of course "The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious" pretty much essential Jung reading.

That's all true, but you give Campbell short shrift and should probably read his works as he expounded on that Jungian thought and brought it into perspective for how the terms "religion" and "spirituality" are changing for us today. Besides the other book I recommended, here's another - The Masks of God. It should be standard reading for anyone pursuing spiritual development, understanding deity and understanding the difference between polytheism and the "demi-god".

Gopher, this is becoming a strange debate, because the information you are using to support your claim is superfluous.

Let me explain something to you, Universal Expansion is not a theory, it is a fact. It is a fact that has been documented by astronomers and scientists, period. We do not need a center to know something is expanding, all we have to do is watch the patterns of the galaxies around us, and their path of movement to see it is moving apart. It is a proven fact, no longer theory, end of the line there.

To say what scientists tell us is crock is a very stupid, redundant, insipid, statement. I spent a year being told what the science community accepts as true and what they accept as theoretical. This is like when Felicity called me brainwashed, this stuff annoys me.

I am not brainwashed, I studied hard enough to learn a ton in that class. You know what is a theory and accepted as true? Plate Tectonics, there you go, that is one that is not known to be 100% accurate. That is a theory. You know what is true? That we only use 3% of our brains.

See, I have a problem with you, because you are saying all science is useless and lies. That is untrue. What do you think a doctor is? It is just a version of a scientist who not only researches but treats peoples ailments. You cannot tell me what they know is just junk - there are theories in certain segments of medicine, but not all.

Medicine understands our bodies for what it sees completely, that is all proven. See, if someone followed what you said then we would denounce all science and be stupid. Chemistry would mean nothing, mathematics would be useless, physics would be inessential. But meanwhile it is these same sciences, principles, theories, and studies, that have led us to design weapons such as SCUD missiles, F15 Eagles, F22 Phantoms, F14 Tomcats, Armor Piercing Rounds, and most importantly these two: The F-117 Stealth Bomber and the B2 Stealth Bomber.

In conclusion, these scientist you say are lying are the reason you have a car, the reason you have an air conditioning unit, the reason you have somewhere to go during medical emergencies with treatment.

Your argument does not hold strong enough grounds.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

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Yeah, okay, I know, they are deliberately keeping us sick, yeah, I have heard that before. I am not saying I do not believe it in some cases, but most likely it is false in the majority (At least I would hope so, because it would be horrible if that was proved to be the case in all treatments of patients).

But that is not my point, my point is doctors are part of that supposedly lying group of scientists - who are not lying.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

G.A.
F4-"Phantom" , I believe that was McCain's old bird (I could be wrong). I think they're callin' the F-22 a "Raptor". Other then that I'm right behind ya! Watch it though, them Gophers can be wily critters, and tough to skin when they're set in their beliefs. ( nothing like a multi- vector pissin' match to keep a topic interesting!)

...frig studying, now, get ready for the next round!
(remember Uncle George's Jung Foo advice if ya need it.)

Uncle Howlin'

Lol. Whoops. I had a bad feeling when I called it a Phantom it was the wrong name, thanks for the correction. I think it is called a Raptor the
F-22.

Thanks for being right behind me on this issue, Uncle Howlin!

Do not worry, I can handle myself, might have to do a bit of research to back up my argument completely, but I am doing good so far!

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Dude, I highly recommend doing some research into the amount of corruption involved with the pharmaceutical industry. Think about it, if you were the owner of a huge drug company that sold drugs to keep a person with cancer alive while spending huge amounts of money on your "treatment", would you want their to be an easy cure for cancer? That is why there is actually an industry for all of these diseases. There are a lot of people that depend on you being unhealthy to make their living.

Well, I agree with that, Felicity. I have thought that before, that they alter certain medications. I do not think, however, that it is done to more essential things that practically keep you alive.

I think they probably do it with pain medications though, warp them in a way that keep people wanting more.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.