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#23972 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:29 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:Ya, I'm not so sure about the whole Illuminati thing but I definitely believe that the New World Order is real.



I admittedly had to look that up, I have heard of that before, "New World Order," and had an idea what it was, but was not sure. So yeah, now I get it. I am not sure, God knows it is possible. Anything seems possible these days.

I remember reading "Angels and Demons" and being enthralled by it, I loved that book. I am not a big reader though, so that was a big deal for me, lol. It was fascinating though, it talked about the Illuminati, and it talked about all of these conspiracy theories behind "The Church." I like how they say the "Eye of Ra" on the back of the dollar bills is a secret Illuminati symbol meaning "we are watching everything you do." It would make sense actually since it is on money, money is greed and power, money is everywhere.

Strange stuff...

#23974 by Felicity Chicane
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:32 am
You are right, I do not have faith in human institutions. No matter how much liberty you start out with, government will always become tyrannical, every single time. I trully believe that there needs to be a revolution every few generations to keep government in check, if not they will slowly take control of our lives.

But as far as music goes, I am really getting discouraged. It is extremely difficult to find the type of musicians that I am looking for. Everyone seems to want to sound just like a particular band. I really just want to make timeless music.

#23976 by Felicity Chicane
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:34 am
There is no doubt in my mind that the banking institutions are running the world, does it go as deep to say that they are the Illuminati? It's possible but I am not completely convinced of that.

#23977 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:34 am
Dude, I have been searching for a drummer and bassist with my friend for a while, it is annoying. I know what you mean, everyone is a clone of someone else, lol. I think if you are aiming to stand out then you need to be unique and stop acting like a clone.

As for me, I am into covers, so it does not matter to me. However, I go for a Middle Eastern sound personally.

#23978 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:35 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that the banking institutions are running the world, does it go as deep to say that they are the Illuminati? It's possible but I am not completely convinced of that.


Yeah, I would not be shocked. Money is so f*cking evil, I swear. I mean if you do not have it I imagine things could get chaotic, but with it seems worse at times.

#23979 by scarletrust
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:36 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:I really just want to make timeless music.

That is the best goal one can have. (Musically)

#23981 by Felicity Chicane
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:39 am
I know, it sucks, if I dont find some people pretty soon I am going to be about ready to throw in the towel with the whole band thing and just make music on my own.

It's amazing though, I have a home studio and I am an audio engineer at a professional studio, and it's like I have to drag the people I do jam with by the arm to get them in there. I just dont get it.

#23982 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:42 am
Man, I know what you mean. I have heard this for a while now, especially after hanging around this forum. These people who you contact and they never reply or people in the band who do not want to show up for practice.

It gets f*cking annoying. I say just like keep looking for them anyhow, but Hell, if you are an audio engineer, write your own stuff while you wait. When they get there have them add in their 2 cents. *Shrug*

I know it is just impossible for me to find a drummer around here. I cannot wait for the vocalist part, damn that is going to be annoying. My problem is, I am not looking to make it far in this business, just to have fun. I really want to be a doctor, so yeah, that is totally backwards from this, lol.

But anyhow, man, I wish there was a way to get this band together faster. Hell, maybe it is for the best until I can afford some decent gear.

#23991 by Craig Maxim
Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:59 am
Felicity Chicane wrote: The fictional story of Jesus is based on the fictional Sun God "Horus".

(snipped)

Christianity is fiction.



Bro, you're a novice at this, trust me. I'm quite sure I have looked into these issues far more seriously than you have. Why do I say that? Because it is likely that you were already a sceptic, and merely looked for some info to prove what you already believed to be true. This would mean you found some info that satisfied you and your search was effectively over. For me, it was not that simple. This was not a hunt merely to disprove something, but a search for truth, wherever it lead me. For this reason, I had ALOT of investigating to do.

Horus is only one of myriad myths which find similarities in the Gospel accounts of Jesus' birth, life, death and resurrection. Look up Mithra, a deity in Zoroastrianism. Or Dionysus, the greek deity, whose mother was mortal and father was the king of the gods. There are too many to list really. And why limit this to Jesus? The Epic of Gigamesh very neatly parallels the Old Testament account of the flood, in more than a dozen ways, easily, from a flood due to wickedness, to an order to build a boat, complaining about the mission, bringing all species of animals on board, the flood coming, sending birds out, landing on a mountain, offering a sacrifice immediately afterward, and others.

All we can do is make suppositions where myth accounts like this parallel. Are they ALL myths? Is there a mixture of truth and myth? Do they copy from one another? Is it really myth or a shared ancestral memory? Is it a revelation of God to many cultures, assimilating itself to each particular culture, using names common to that culture? There are any number of possibilities.

But here is the real issue...

These similarities, myth or not, are used to "prove" that Jesus never existed. This is perfectly false. Jesus DID exist, and there is historical documentation, even by non-christian historians to prove that he did.

Accepting this fact, was Jesus a prophet? A miracle worker and healer? A mystic? Did his disciples expand upon his history, recognizing similarities in Greek myths and others as well?

Two things are certain:

1) Jesus existed
2) His followers believed in his divine nature, to the point that nearly to a man, they willingly accepted death as martyrs for the sake of testifying to the things they claimed were true and that they personally witnessed.

That doesn't in itself, mean that they were right in who they believed Jesus to be, but it certainly means they BELIEVED it absolutely. They faced death, because in witnessing the resurrected Jesus, they were absolutely convinced that He had power over death. They trusted that they had no need to fear death, because he had conquered it, and that gave them faith, that they would as well. That in itself doesn't mean they were right. After all, Muslim suicide bombers die almost daily with the same belief.

I doubt that you really care to delve into this any deeper, and we are not going to change each other's opinions, but you should recognize at least, that Jesus WAS an historical and ACTUAL human being, who lived and assembled followers, and upon which one of the largest faiths in the world, sprang forth from.

You have acceptably logical reasons to doubt the veracity of many claims about Jesus. But stay within logic, and at least recognize HE WAS.

#23992 by Craig Maxim
Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:19 am
Irminsul wrote:
Craig Maxim wrote:
Christianity is NOT based on Pagan beliefs.


It can be said though that many Christian principles are harmonious with Pagan ones, and it is a fact that the Christ story has mytho-historic precedents in Osiris, Mithras and others.




Agreed

Irminsul wrote:
Craig that is entertaining, but flat out wrong. Pagans do NOT use that term as a retaken pejorative or slur. They use it proudly and out of deference to many of their ancestors who were Pagan (because those beliefs at one time were of course the mainstream religion).



Disregarding it's latin roots, the English definition pretty much means one who is not Christian (Or sometimes Muslim or Jewish) and is a polytheist, or irreligious or a hedonist. It's connotation absolutely is pejorative. Of course I realize that you don't accept that connotation, and the meaning of words change over time (gay - for example) but it's English usage is as a pejorative originally. You can research it's etymology to see that this is true.

It's just a MUCH older pejorative than the "N" word is, so you haven't recognized this, as it's modern usage has been accepted to mean something more positive and even cool. LOL

Religions like Wicca, for example, have made paganism the "in" thing these days. There has generally been a resurgence (popularly speaking, as many such religions have never disappeared completely) of ancient religions in the past several decades especially, as a rejection of mainstream religions, and seeking something different.

What is old is new again, kind of thing.

#23993 by Felicity Chicane
Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:23 pm
fc
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#24000 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:54 pm
I think I am going to sit back and enjoy this show, lol. You guys ever think you knew a subject well until you really got into a debate about it? I totally thought I knew a lot about different religions and stuff, and I know junk compared to the rest of the people here, lol.

So yeah, I am just going to sit back and watch this religious debate, and hope it does not turn into a brawl.

Lol.

Peace, GuitarAnatomy.

#24005 by HowlinJ
Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:15 pm
We "Keystone Staters" Don't get to vote until April 22! I may do as Felicity Chicane suggested and vote for Ron Paul , just to make a statement, provided he's still on the ballet. Come November, I'm still up in the air. There is a very high probability it won't be Ms. Clinton. Obama - possibly, McCain-probably. In the future, we'll know more. Whatever, stop philosophising, take J.W's advice, and get your lazy asses out to vote! (I.A may be excused, if his papers aren't in order) :wink: ...later ...
Howlin'

#24007 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:32 pm
Uncle Howlin, question, why do you feel that McCain would be the front runner over Obama? I mean from what I am seeing at the present time (Who knows about the future) it seems that Obama is a lot stronger, and more wanted. Also, it seems that McCain is disliked by most of his own party - which is awkward in itself, they keep calling him "too liberal."

When I see McCain I think that he is more of a war monger than a good leader.

Just wanted to get your opinion on that.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

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