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#89058 by Shredd6
Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:10 am
CraigMaxim wrote:
Ryan_Strain wrote:HEY GUYS! JESUS LOVES YOU! SO SHUT UP!

Just kidding...Sorry, just had to :lol:



LOL


Hey Ryan,

I was playing with an idea for a song, and I think some screaming would work well for it in a few places. Would you be game to add something to it sometime? I'd have to pay to have you go into a studio, unless you could record cleanly enough in some other way?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjSqJ0I0UI

#89059 by Ryan_Strain
Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:20 am
CraigMaxim wrote:
Ryan_Strain wrote:HEY GUYS! JESUS LOVES YOU! SO SHUT UP!

Just kidding...Sorry, just had to :lol:



LOL


Hey Ryan,

I was playing with an idea for a song, and I think some screaming would work well for it in a few places. Would you be game to add something to it sometime? I'd have to pay to have you go into a studio, unless you could record cleanly enough in some other way?

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Are you being serious? If so, I can record very cleanly here, and send you the rough vocal track

#89060 by Shredd6
Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:28 am
Craig is always serious, and in case you haven't been able to tell, he gets things done musically. Go for it Ryan!!

#89061 by Ryan_Strain
Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:34 am
Bring it on...I'm down for anything!

#89062 by CraigMaxim
Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:12 am
Shredd6 wrote:Craig is always serious, and in case you haven't been able to tell, he gets things done musically. Go for it Ryan!!


Thanks Ted! :-)


And...

Awesome Ryan!!!

I'll try to get something recorded soon, but I have a few things I have to get done before Veterans Day, so give me a week or so, and I'll send you something.

Message me your email address here.

And thanks! :-)

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#89063 by Ryan_Strain
Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:15 am
CraigMaxim wrote:
Shredd6 wrote:Craig is always serious, and in case you haven't been able to tell, he gets things done musically. Go for it Ryan!!


Thanks Ted! :-)


And...

Awesome Ryan!!!

I'll try to get something recorded soon, but I have a few things I have to get done before Veterans Day, so give me a week or so, and I'll send you something.

Message me your email address here.

And thanks! :-)

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It won't let me send you a private message, so I'll just post it here, who cares...

ryan.m.strain@gmail.com

:P

#89064 by CraigMaxim
Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:27 am
Shredd6 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjSqJ0I0UI



Run DMC and Aerosmith huh?

Awesome! Shows that different styles can mesh!

I get it. I feel ya!

But...

8) Why didn't you post THIS VERSION:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5pd_mbp40


That performance made Kid Rock a superstar, because he proved he could hold a stage with Run DMC and Aerosmith and show himself to have all the star power they do.

It kicked ass, especially the first time!

It's legend now. :-)

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#89066 by Shredd6
Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:39 am
Just an observation here..

Before ever joining this forum, I used to be a member of a Christian and an Atheist forum at the same time...

This thread has now hit the Morality stage. Once a thread hits this stage, it's about done. That's the general circular cycle of religious threads. I've seen it more times than I care to admit.

I've read countless posts from College Science Professors to Professional Scientists and Reverends to Priests.. And this is the roadblock that never gets passed.

Funny how it never fails.

#89081 by Rev Mike
Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:47 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:
Rev Mike wrote:

craig maxim wrote:You don't want to go back to a time when it was ROUTINE for strangers to rape your wives and sisters at the point of a blade merely because they could. Where you had no civil rights. Where you may have been having sex with your own mothers and sisters, where you had almost nothing resembling free will, etc.. etc...

Thank religious faith for ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS!

Thank Christianity in particular.


The imposition of Christianity on Europe was called the dark ages for a reason...



I think I mentioned already, that ANYTHING can be misused and cause harm. History bears out that Christianity has had a far more beneficial influence on society than a deleterious one. The same can be said for America itself. We've made mistakes, but we have been more of a light to this world, than a shadow. The same can be said of other things, including ourselves possibly.

It is also unfair to punish a religion's teachings, when they are not followed. Nothing in the New Testament, supports torture of non-believers. This is like blaming the Drano company for wrongful death, because someone drank the Drano, rather than pouring it down the sink, because they refused to follow the instructions correctly.

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History proves exactly the opposite of what you believe Craig. History proves that more murders have been committed in the name of Christ than you can count. History proves that the imposition of ANY belief system on a people has always been through brute force and murder. How can you then say that it was beneficial? Sounds like the ends justifying the means to me....

The fact is that Christianity and Muslims have ALWAYS grown through brute force, war, and murder. If these religions never existed, there would have been a lot of bloodshed throughout the years. The human brain has not evolved in millenia, so the idea that humans couldn't have figured out sleeping with their relatives is a bad thing without the help of that rediculous compilation of obscene stories of fiction you call the bible. Humans have always written the stories. God never did. Humans have always claimed that it was inspired by God, well then why has it needed 2 previous revisions and one current? By humans.

I tell you verily, the words above are inspired of God and my brother Jesus. I am here at their discretion to teach the correct way that has been lost in the greed and writings of man. My father, my God, is me. I am one with the father.

Do you doubt after what I've shown you?

Or will you continue to believe in the bible even after I have told you my message, not its, comes from the Living God? Jesus used more than the Torah when he taught, and he never wrote a book. He said that the he told the truth and they killed him for it and rejected his word. Will you do the same when the signs of the End of Days couldn't be more clear. When you, Craig, cast doubt upon me and asked for a sign did Georgia not suddenly flood?

#89084 by philbymon
Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:07 pm
LOL

Your argument would have a lot more impact if you had predicted that flood, Mike!

I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, & I'm thankful that my life experiences have led me to where I am, where I can see the ridiculous & the divine in my own way, the same as you or Craig or anyone else here.

We have our idea of what it's all about, & accept it gleefully, & stubbornly refuse outside influence at this point.

So why do these threads keep popping up? Just because we like to argue, I guess, cuz it's patently & painfully clear that no one's mind is being changed after all the innumerable words typerated.

#89085 by Rev Mike
Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:11 pm
philbymon wrote:LOL

Your argument would have a lot more impact if you had predicted that flood, Mike!

I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, & I'm thankful that my life experiences have led me to where I am, where I can see the ridiculous & the divine in my own way, the same as you or Craig or anyone else here.

We have our idea of what it's all about, & accept it gleefully, & stubbornly refuse outside influence at this point.

So why do these threads keep popping up? Just because we like to argue, I guess, cuz it's patently & painfully clear that no one's mind is being changed after all the innumerable words typerated.


I expect alot more ridicule than that for that comment...hell, my brother was executed and he never really came right out and said the things I am claiming...

...or I'm completely full of sh*t and everyone is right to ridicule...gee, guess that is where faith comes in....

#89087 by philbymon
Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:24 pm
Hey, now don't go gettin' all defensive & stuff, Mike. I'm not ridiculing you, but pointing out a flaw in your presentation.

Sorry to hear about your brother...

I see no reason to continue arguing when it's become clear that it does nothing but cause strife between ppl. We will always hold onto the thought that our own personal ideas are correct, & everyone else is fulla bulla. THAT, sir, is faith? Well, then, I prefer to keep it to myself from now on...

#89092 by CraigMaxim
Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:25 pm
Mikee,

You know very little about the Bible. You know very little about history. You know very little about extrabiblical confirmations of the Bible's prophecies, authenticity or value. And you know very little about me.

If you sent floods to Georgia (AAAAH HA HA HA HAAAAA) then whatever force directing my path, KNEW your will, before you accomplished it, and had me move to Florida before you could do it, dumbass. LOL

And don't say you had me move, cause that would be absurd. Why send a flood in the first place? Leaves too much room for doubt that God protecting me was the purpose of it. You can't make a mistake like that. It sould make you look like the evil agressor and makes my God, the champion protector.

Some of the worst things that ever happened to me, happened in Georgia, by Georgians. I could assume AFTER THE FACT that God judged them for their abuses of me, after all, they weren't flooded while I was there, and suddenly get flooded when I left.

But to do that, my ego would have had to had control over my common sense and the truth itself, as is occuring with YOU right now.

So far, my ego has never made my brain turn to mush and my heart betray me, by loving myself over others, particularly over God. Sadly, you seem to have no such immunity.

It is quite easy, to "claim" something, AFTER it has taken place, and then reframe it to fit our fantasies and delusions. All false prophets have done this since time immemorial. You are no different, other than the fact that you are fortunate we live in an age where false prophets are no longer killed for being false prophets.

You are also guilty of a lack of creativity. For me, a musician, that is almost as bad as being a false prophet. :-)

You are going to destroy yourself if you continue in your many dillusions, and then you will be well beyond the point of receiving ANY messages from God, or his servants, even when they could save your life. That is nothing to play around with... not in these days, and especially the days to come.

I asked you to pray about me.

When you discovered that I was not Jesus :roll: You decided that you were so excited by the PROSPECT of it, that you didn't want to let the idea go, and so you redirected it upon yourself, rather than me.

Geeez

You are flighty and whimsical and not grounded at all.

I asked you to pray about me, because if you knew God, He would affirm for you, the veracity of my heart and soul, and my relationship to Him, my sacrifices for His purposes, my undying faith in Him, and His trust of me, and purposes for me, on a world scale. To simplify, God would have told you that I am special, that He has His hand on me, and has since childhood. Not to my credit. God chooses whom He chooses, and He uses us for various reasons. Sometimes those reasons are big ones, and sometimes even big purposes come from the unlikliest of places, such as Rahab, a prostitute who God used to assist spies from Joshua into the city walls of Jericho, and protected them from soldiers, who were looking for them. She saved their lives, and assisted in the bringing down of the city for God's purposes, even though she was a CITIZEN of that very city. Even though a prostitute, she BELIEVED those spies were from God, and that God was going to bring the walls down so that Joshua's men could take the city.

For her part, she was promised by the spies, that God would protect her and her house (her family), when the walls "came tumblin' down" and that they would be safe.

Well...

Archeaologists uncovered the remains of what they believe to be Jericho, not too many years ago. Some actually questioned it's existence altogether, but the Bible spoke of it, so it was considered a possibility and they kept a look-out for it. In 1907 or 1908 or something, it was discovered, and excavated over many years. It is believed by some to be the oldest city in the world. As excavations covered more area, it was discovered that the walls indeed collapsed around the city (attributed possibly to an earthquake, I believe they assume) but the really, really, interesting thing, as if that wasn't enough, is that the walls around the entire city collapsed... except... for one small part, where one or two dwellings were found to be still standing next to the wall, and that part of the wall, undisturbed.

So, you decide.

I decide that God is awesome! That He looks at the heart, and even someone that would have been considered "evil" by religious people because of her "occupation" was actually used by God in a profound way, and her name and faith in God have now been retold for generations upon generations... THOUSANDS OF YEARS, to her honor.

I also decide, that this is one of the things that differentiates the BIBLE from most other religious books. Were it not true, why include this story? Does that make the Jews look good, that God seemingly used a PROSTITUTE to ASSIST the mighty army of Joshua? They had to depend on the help of a PROSTITUTE????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Is that something to be proud of?

Similarly, King David is considered the greatest King that the Jews ever had, by the Jews themselves. They list his many accomplishments... they also list his various sins... even though He authored a large percentage of the Old Testament. Those sins included adultery and murder, in his taking of Bathsheba, a married woman. Why not gloss over those indiscretions? Because TRUTH is important in Jewish faith, even when it is not pretty. It is one of the proofs of the Bible, and of God's people.

Better to rely on God's direction, and be safe like Rahab, than to go off the deep end, and make yourself your own god, and have to rely on your own inadequacies.

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#89093 by Rev Mike
Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:27 pm
philby, I wasn't getting defensive, don't worry...I was merely pointing out the fact that anyone can make that claim...whether it be true or not will only be found in time...I don't expect to gain followers, I am not looking for them...I am merely pointing out that some could become followers should they believe my claims...and just what if I am telling the truth and I am the one who God sent to set the record straight, do you think I'd ever find enough followers to take people away from the corruption that has infested my brother's church? Or worse, the corruption that has felled my father's other churches, such as that of Mohammed? The real Jihad is the struggle to avoid the corruption that the dark forces would have you believe is the true way...

Human beings have focused more on ways to kill each other efficiently and how to cause the most pain while leaving the least damage so you can torture with longevity than on ways to work together for a lasting peace as my father would have it....and that is their own damnation.

The end of the age of corruption is coming soon and the truth will be revealed to all....each of us has the freedom to choose what direction to follow...those following any organized religion are following the trail of blood...my brother didn't have to die for your sins, my father doesn't need vengence...my brother was murdered because he taught truth...alot of his teachings are not even in that bible that most hold so dear...it was removed because it took away authority of the ones who craved power...

Paul, I understand your beliefs and I know I wont likely sway you, but I can tell you all, if you truly reach out to my father, he will truly answer you...it wont be symbolic, it wont be just for you to hear...it will be clear and decisive, and most likely ignored by you, for the truest answers have always been obviously given and written off by the receiver as the way of life...

I mourn for the lost, but my father understands that you have been misled...he has no intention of punishing you for your mistakes if they are not in violation of the universal law....if you do no intentional harm in your life, then you have not need for pennance...but for those who cause harm with malice aforethought, you shall be condemned and will owe pennance...but our father is forgiving, he will give you the opportunity to make right what you left out of balance. Blessed is he who can see what is right before him, for he will not live in darkness eternal.

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