General Music Chat

I DO MY OWN THING. Im no pro but I dam sure have fun, and all those free sites are great, I have been colabarating, jamming with others, networking, helping promote my brothers band. I persanaly dont need your help. Im 43 not verry pretty to look at and my music is my music. Im realistic I am not trying to make it big I just want to have some fun see some boobs and use the skills that I got. But you would know that if you looked at my profile. I will apoligize for my coment about the scam thing, Its not up to me to decide if your worthy of these guys and girls trust its up to them. But in my opinion you could show results .

I didn't say those sites weren't great... as I agree that they are. Those sites I mentioned are very important to musicians.

And... I respect that you do your own thing... and don't wish to have any assistance from me or anything that i'm offering....

... but at the same time... don't accuse me of being a scam artist... when i'm here making an honest effort to create positive ideas and opportunities for people.

I don't deserve such an insult.

.... Alan.

ONCE AGAIN...
if you don't think giving (one) free subscription to gain many more paid one's isn't smart business, well.........

Kramer had the best approach to your problem; give free subscriptions to say, the first 100 so you have both a pool of talent, and a base to draw more clients to your site.
As of now you have nothing to offer other than promises for the future!

why does this not make sense to you???

If you cannot adapt your business model, than in the opinion of one who has been in both music and business for some 30+ years, either
#1 you are not equipped for business
#2 you are not being honest w/us, or yourself
#3 your repeating the same actions and expecting different results

we all know what the last option means!

www.myspace.com/blunderingeye
www.myspace.com/445175001
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/6039/
http://bandmix.com/hayden-king/
hayden_king2000 on yahoo messenger

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"echo's of Mike Wills of Ace Entertainment"

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ONCE AGAIN...
if you don't think giving (one) free subscription to gain many more paid one's isn't smart business, well.........

Kramer had the best approach to your problem; give free subscriptions to say, the first 100 so you have both a pool of talent, and a base to draw more clients to your site.
As of now you have nothing to offer other than promises for the future!

why does this not make sense to you???

If you cannot adapt your business model, than in the opinion of one who has been in both music and business for some 30+ years, either
#1 you are not equipped for business
#2 you are not being honest w/us, or yourself
#3 your repeating the same actions and expecting different results

we all know what the last option means!

www.myspace.com/blunderingeye
www.myspace.com/445175001
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/6039/
http://bandmix.com/hayden-king/
hayden_king2000 on yahoo messenger

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"echo's of Mike Wills of Ace Entertainment"

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You can't offer some people something for FREE... while charging other people a fee. That will just create a business model that can't take care of itself financially.

I know it sounds logical to adopt such an idea... but it will fail financially. It may have alot of members... lol.... but the business model won't be able to properly take care of them.

Sorry... but I don't think adopting such an idea would be in everyone's best interest.

Thanks for the idea.

... Alan.

OK wait a minute here... your confusing me just a tad. Either my idea is a good idea... or it isn't. What difference does it make how many members I have today? Whether I have 1 member today... or 1000 members today... the business model is still the same. The offer is still the same. The structure of the idea and the purpose of the idea... is still the same.

So... all member's count aside... is it a good deal or not?

First you suggest no... that its more so a scam.. or an idea that isn't worth your time... then... you say ... if it had more members... it would be better. It can have more members... lol.. the minute you people sign up.... so you can take care of that little problem yourselves.... lol.

... Alan.

However... thats not helping me here... it has been shared that i'm not offering a fair deal.... that for $10/month I should be offering more than what I am. I guess trying to provide you with studio time and merchandise to sell at your performances is not quite enough. Ok... i'm willing to listen to your ideas.....

For $10/month ($120 per year) what do you want in return?

Please help me understand.

... Alan.

I will say it one moore time, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SCAM COMENT.
All crap aside, Here are the things that bother me about your offer.

1. Your location is us where?

2. If you have had anny form of success why is it not posted for us to veiw

3. Aparently you cant aford one free subscription to show results.

4. You are not willing to pay the bandmix fee yourself but you want people to pay you. We know what where getting here

Im sorry but I cant see the point in paying for somthing that I have no clue what it is.

Im not trying to bash your idea, mayby its the greatst thing since sliced bread? But in todays economi its gana be hard to get strugling musitians to dig in there pokets on a promis over the net.

SORRY I CALLED YOU A SCAMMER IT WAS UN CALLED FOR.

PS: DAM I CANT SPELL

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will say it one moore time, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SCAM COMENT.
All crap aside, Here are the things that bother me about your offer.

1. Your location is us where?

2. If you have had anny form of success why is it not posted for us to veiw

3. Aparently you cant aford one free subscription to show results.

4. You are not willing to pay the bandmix fee yourself but you want people to pay you. We know what where getting here

Im sorry but I cant see the point in paying for somthing that I have no clue what it is.

Im not trying to bash your idea, mayby its the greatst thing since sliced bread? But in todays economi its gana be hard to get strugling musitians to dig in there pokets on a promis over the net.

SORRY I CALLED YOU A SCAMMER IT WAS UN CALLED FOR.

PS: DAM I CANT SPELL

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Eddy for your comments.....

If I may explain... its not as simple as you think to just toss out money for a FREE subscription. Each area of a business (commonly referred to as a department) MUST be able to account for itself as a part of a whole....

So if I were to spend sayyyyy $5000 on some FREE subscriptions... that will immediately put the business model $5000 in the red. This means... I will have to receive 500 membership fees from "paying" members to have the business model break even. This is not good... because the paying members don't deserve having their paid fees taken from them to pay for debts incurred prior to their membership.

FREE subscriptions will create alot of liability on the overall business idea of creating for the members opportunities.

Alan...

See... you people have a one track mind... and it always seem to consist of the word.... "FREE"... which will do absolutely nothing for you in the sense of buying you expensive opportunities.

... Alan.

No Kramer... what it actually comes down to is the fact that... because your all depending on FREE services... your not getting any assistance worth talking about... your all on a FREE forum crying about needing this and needing that... and one of the reasons why your all in need is... your supporting a system that doesn't work to support you in the areas of major concerns... such as financial backup.

Where's all your financial backup people?

If finding musicians was as easy as you suggest Kramer.. why is the majority of people on this site still looking for a band member? Looks like i'm not the only person having trouble finding this person or that person.

So here I am... I come along and offer a system of organization.... I tell you that I will literally pay for your Music Hall expenses... that I will work with you and try to organize you into a working band... and do my best to provide you with the financial backup that you need to increase your chances of success....

But because I won't work my ass off for FREE for you... because I won't pay for the Music Hall for FREE for you... and because... I am asking you to show me some respect in return by contributing into a system I organized for the purpose of honestly trying to help you people... you have problems.

I am very sorry... apparently I am completely wasting your people's time. I will leave you's be. Please have a great day.

And good luck with your music. I wish you all the best.

Alan Thebeau.

I'm not DEPENDING on free services.. I paid my dues to bandmix, and while I no longer pay monthly fees to them, I stay here because of the community. Hayden, Sentient, JW, Crip, NeanderPaul, and hordes of other folks here MAKE this community what it is, we SHARE ideas, successes, failures, and experiences.

I'm not crying to anyone here, I have two bands and a full plate. I'm already playing for an artist that did the DIY method, has already released 2 CD's on her own label, and is achieving moderate success; instead of latching on to a company like yours hoping that you will do it all for her.

I gave you kudos for keeping a civil attitude, but you lost it on that last post... I asked you very straightforward questions, many of which you wouldn't answer. The ones you did answer, didn't really answer the question I asked. I finally concluded that your business model will in all likelyness fail, and even offered you sound advice on what you can change to succeed.

And yes... I think I can speak for EVERYONE here when I say that there are musicians to be found everywhere... Craigslist is FAR more successful as a recruiting tool than ANY bandmix or similar site. Bandmix probably comes in 2nd place, to give them their credit... and guess what - Bandmix uses craigslist to advertise.. .. how ironic.


Us asking you to offer a 'trial' or introductory service is not asking you to "Work your ass off for free", in fact, by your own description of your service, you do NOTHING for the musicians, other than hook them up with an audition with a signed artist (by you) if they happen to be in a relatively close location. Great for the artist.. they get a pool of musicians to choose from and a label to represent them, all at the expense of the musicians who don't make the cut.

Doesn't sound too good for the musicians who don't make the cuts though...

See... you people have a one track mind... and it always seem to consist of the word.... "FREE"... which will do absolutely nothing for you in the sense of buying you expensive opportunities.

... Alan.

yes, but when you really think of it, how many music sites want us to pay a membership? Can buy into them ALL now can we?

Oh and btw..

why did you choose to start a label with no venture capitol? Surely a business savvy person like you would know that your chances of succeeding with no capitol are almost zilch, right? If you had capitol, you would be able to offer something for our money. Just a thought, meh. I think I'm done here.

I've read these numerous posts and I still have NO IDEA what it is you're offering.

well lets see Bob:
he can't afford to give a single trial subscription away in order to possibly gain more...
some how he wants us to believe that it cost's him $10 to give away that subscription...
he has no musicians to hook us up with...
he's a label that doesn't have any signed act's (other than the lounge act on his site) and cant afford to sign any singer/songwriters (funny, I thought that was the most sought after entity in the industry)...
and it's all our fault because we're just whiny selfish fuks who want him to give us all of his valuable services for free!

does that help you understand Bob?


www.myspace.com/blunderingeye
www.myspace.com/445175001
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/6039/
http://bandmix.com/hayden-king/
hayden_king2000 on yahoo messenger

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See... you people have a one track mind... and it always seem to consist of the word.... "FREE"... which will do absolutely nothing for you in the sense of buying you expensive opportunities.

... Alan.

yes, but when you really think of it, how many music sites want us to pay a membership? Can buy into them ALL now can we?

Oh and btw..

why did you choose to start a label with no venture capitol? Surely a business savvy person like you would know that your chances of succeeding with no capitol are almost zilch, right? If you had capitol, you would be able to offer something for our money. Just a thought, meh. I think I'm done here.

Where did you get the idea that I have no capital? Who told you that? Just because I won't line your pockets with it for FREE... doesn't mean I don't have it.

Don't take things for granted Kramer... lets stick to the facts. Such as.... you want me to fill your pockets with opportunites... while at the same time... your too damn cheap to pay me 10 bucks for it.

You want everything handed to you on a silver platter.... for FREE. You want FREE Bandmix... FREE craiglist... FREE myspace.... FREE this and FREE that... and great for you... have it all....

But... if you want real opportunities... that will cost you money... or simply stated... go without.

well lets see Bob:
he can't afford to give a single trial subscription away in order to possibly gain more...
some how he wants us to believe that it cost's him $10 to give away that subscription...
he has no musicians to hook us up with...
he's a label that doesn't have any signed act's (other than the lounge act on his site) and cant afford to sign any singer/songwriters (funny, I thought that was the most sought after entity in the industry)...
and it's all our fault because we're just whiny selfish fuks who want him to give us all of his valuable services for free!

does that help you understand Bob?


www.myspace.com/blunderingeye
www.myspace.com/445175001
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/6039/
http://bandmix.com/hayden-king/
hayden_king2000 on yahoo messenger

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Hayden... you are greatly out of line... at the very least to Shelly.

And... you still didn't tell me what service you want me to give you for FREE. You keep telling me what YOU DON'T WANT... but not one of you's will tell me WHAT YOU DO WANT... other than FREE subscriptions.

Fine... join the site for FREE. Is that what you all want??? Do you want to join for FREE???? Great... go join for FREE... but don't expect me to buy you anything or put money in YOUR pocket... when you won't put money in mine.

This is a two way street... you scratch my back... i'll scratch yours. Its that simple.

People pay for site membership everyday.... and the webmaster laughs his way to the bank with the membership fees collected... while at the same time.. there are members on their sites that are struggling. Some may be going hungry... some may be losing their internet service... having trouble paying their auto insurance.... BUT... does the webmaster care???? Does he???? NO!!!!! The webmaster usually doesn't look at one of his members and says... hey... here's a couple hundred bucks to pay your light bill with... I am giving you this money in respect that you have been a member of my site for awhile... and you've put money in my pocket... so I will help you out here... here's your cheque.

You's are turning this into a ... I have a bunch of services at my disposal... and I should give you them for FREE on some FREE subscriptions to offer an example of what I am offering.

What I am offering is... to show that I am a human being... and am willing to respect you people by calling you up and asking you personally.... what do you need??? And in respect to you for paying a membership fee on my site... putting money in my pocket... I will be a man here... and do my best to do the same for you...

This very basic idea... is completely being distorted.

I've read these numerous posts and I still have NO IDEA what it is you're offering.

Hello Bob... i'll see if I can help you out here and try to answer your question.

The Musicians Employment site is for the purpose of helping musicians get ahead and achieve opportunities.... now ... in simplicity... its just a hang out site... like bandmix. In a way... its a bandmix site with a membership FEE. Musicians come and signup... chat on forum threads (like they are doing here) ... post their need for this person and that person... and... try to do there... exactly what they are doing here.

However... upon my being a member of Bandmix the last time and this time... I thought it would be an interesting idea if Bandmix decided (from a few membership fees collected) to contact one of you musicians and offer to help you out financially.

I mean really... you people are giving them a few dollars right? So... maybe bandmix could once in a while... offer you a few dollars back. Now its not my business what bandmix does... and I have no idea what it will decide to do in the future... but... I can speak however for me... and what maybe I can try to do.

This whole thing is being so blown out of proportion it isn't funny... to the point where people are actually being insulted.... and for what reason????

All i'm offering... in basic ... is another bandmix type site... BUT.. i'm saying hey... I will charge all members a membership fee for my bandmix type site.... for the purpose of having money ... to help you with financially.

What would you say if bandmix said to you (for example)... hey ... from now on.... 50% of the membership fee I receive from you... I will toss back to the musicians on this site to help you's out?

You would probably think its a great idea. THATS all I am trying to organize. I'm not trying to creat no great business adventure for Triadster Records.... in fact... I am more than willing to separate the two sites. However... Triadster Records could help as it needs musicians.

And... i'm not against offering FREE things at the same time. If everyone wanted the option of FREE membership with the freedom to upgrade to paid membership .. or not to upgrade... awsome.... I can understand that... and I can offer it. It would be no problem for me to provide you with the forum for free..... and leave only 1 area of the site as requiring a membership fee.

I began by offering the site for membership only.... if you don't like membership only... and want (for example) the forum FREE with the freedom to pay or not to pay for added services.... ok... tell me that and I will work it out for you... thats all you have to do is tell me what you want... not JUST what you don't want.

In short... the idea is just a hangout site... like bandmix... except... this hangout site will actually share its revenue with its members. And in all logic... by receiving a membership fee from the members... of course I will be able to sign solo artists at a MUCH faster rate. And well.... presto.. there's part of the benefit. Solo artists need musicians. Do you see the connection???

But.. I don't need this membership fee to sign artists... but ... I am only signing 1 solo artist at a time... because its difficult to find the musicians I need... so I am signing 1... getting them setup with the musicians they need.... THEN... i'll sign another... work with that one... then sign another... etc.