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#21179 by Craig Maxim
Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:47 am
Irminsul wrote:

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/4677486/

There. Now everybody, sleep tight.



Yeah. LOL

This makes me sleep good tonight too....

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2005/0930.html

DOES AL QAEDA HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
PART TWO
by J. R. Nyquist


In last week’s column I interviewed Paul Williams about his claim that al Qaeda has nuclear weapons. Williams offers many facts in support of his case, but facts are slippery. As reported last week, Williams recited how uranium-238 was discovered near an al Qaeda base in December 2001. But uranium-238 is better known as “depleted uranium.” It cannot be used to make a fission reaction.

I asked Williams about the uranium-238 found in Afghanistan and he agreed that uranium-238 “cannot be used for a tactical nuclear device but is a key ingredient for a dirty nuke.” According to Williams, “If a dirty nuke made from uranium-238 were detonated in New York City, thousands would die from the conventional explosion and thousands more would die from radioactive contamination, which is the worst kind of death imaginable. The fact that al Qaeda would leave such material worth millions behind shows that the group’s interest is in the serious bombs [i.e., tactical nukes]. Bin Laden has confirmed this himself as has al-Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, Abu Ghaith, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, etc. Any doubts about al Qaeda’s possession of the real McCoys – the tactical nukes – should have been put to rest by Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris. Michael was the CIA operative in charge of the ‘Alec’ file – the file on bin Laden…. On Nov. 14, 2004, he appeared on 60 Minutes to confirm that al Qaeda possesses an arsenal of tactical nukes and that a nuclear attack by al Qaeda ‘is pretty close to being inevitable.’”

Scheuer, in fact, told CBS that al Qaeda was “involved in an extraordinarily sophisticated and professional effort to acquire weapons of mass destruction.” But Scheuer did not say, positively, that bin Laden has a nuclear arsenal. He said that an al Qaeda nuclear offensive (including a dirty bomb attack) is “probably a near thing.” Which leads us to a further question: If the man who held the bin Laden file, who saw what the CIA had on this subject, could not be more positive, then what is the substance of Paul Williams’s claim?

Credible testimony about al Qaeda nukes is out there. Consider the Oct. 14, 2001 UPI report that Israeli officials had detained a Palestinian with a radiological backpack bomb “attempting to enter Jerusalem from Ramallah.” This journalistic tidbit comes from UPI intelligence reporter Richard Sale. On Dec. 20, 2001, Sale wrote an even more astonishing UPI story in which he noted: “Initially, there were conflicting reports as to whether the pack contained a radiological weapon [i.e., dirty bomb] or a nuclear system [i.e., fission bomb]. UPI re-interviewed the sources who saw the [CIA] Daily Report item, and they insisted that the weapon was nuclear, not radiological.”

American officials make various and conflicting statements to reporters. Some say the al Qaeda nuclear attack story is “bunk.” Others say it is “probably” true. If Israeli security officials caught a Palestinian with a Soviet backpack, no official acknowledgment would be expected because governments are responsible entities and no democratic government could successfully govern a nation that seriously expects a large-scale nuclear attack in the near term. Imagine the investment climate under such a government. Imagine what would happen to employment, opportunity, currency and consumer goods. People would begin hoarding food and other necessities. They would dump paper money for gold and silver. Economic collapse would surely follow.

I asked Williams if an al Qaeda nuclear attack on America might trigger a reciprocal war of annihilation between Christian and Muslim nations? “Yes,” he said. I then asked if the Muslim world is being successfully radicalized by bin Laden. Williams replied: “Radical Islam is mainstream Islam. Wahhabism, the most radical manifestation of the teachings of the Prophet, became the official religion of Arabia when the Saud family established its dynasty in 1932. Life in Saudi Arabia is little different from life in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women must wear long, black abaya gowns with their heads covered; witchcraft, apostasy and blasphemy remain capital crimes; and crucifixion remains a common form of punishment. The practices of religions other than Islam are not tolerated; virtual servitude exists for Hindu workers; and non-Muslims cannot be buried within the country. And yes, according to a Gallup poll, the majority of the Islamic world expresses admiration for bin Laden and support for the Jihad.”

According to Williams, a war of mass destruction between Christian and Muslim is already on its way. The sides have been drawn. Furthermore, the United States cannot be defended at the outset of this war because its social system is incompatible with the requirements of defense. This is the implication of Williams's work. A consumer-oriented, multicultural society, sensitive to Muslim rights, cannot effectively oppose a Muslim nuclear insurgency.

The apparent inaction of the U.S. government – and the complacence of the public – is easily explained. (1) Serious protective measures, in themselves, would cause a severe recession with predictable social and political consequences. The "negative" attitudes attending the proposed “maximum security” state are economically depressive, not only in terms of closing the borders, restricting trade and the free movement of people between countries, but also in terms of investment and public spending. (2) Citizens are not going to accept facts, logic or testimony that effectively forces them to relinquish their life style or limit their choices. Surrendering the consumer economy and the shopping mall regime is not an option. (3) One of the issues that the president and many other U.S. leaders have emphasized is that they are not simply defending the country. They are also defending a "life style." In other words, the United States government is not properly oriented to defend the United States of America. It is oriented to defend a particular life-style. (4) A close analysis of political criminality (in the nuclear context) suggests that liberal free market institutions with minimal internal security are unworkable and destined for collapse. (This is the main argument of my book, Origins of the Fourth World War.) The slowness, ineptness, sloth, corruption, narcissism and radical individualism of the shopping mall regime precludes and disdains strict and serious security measures needed to defend the country against nuclear threats – whether from terrorists hiding in caves or communists sitting in Beijing. This is the situation America finds itself in today.

It would be preferable if the United States government, with wisdom and foresight, amended the laws and structure of American society in advance of a nuclear attack on the cities. But the U.S. government is not free to halve the standard of living, curtail liberties and expel millions of resident aliens. As elastic as America's system is, in economic terms, American society cannot be adapted to today's nuclear threat environment short of a political revolution (initiated by the president and/or Congress). Such a revolution cannot occur before a mass nuclear attack because the public will not be persuaded of the danger and the politicians dare not say that a retreat from consumerism is necessary.

#21182 by Irminsul
Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:05 am
Nuclear nonproliferation is moot. They are out there. So oddly enough, we are back to square one on this planet - which was

....time for everybody to start being nice to each other. Or else.

#21185 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:32 am
Irminsul wrote:Nuclear nonproliferation is moot. They are out there. So oddly enough, we are back to square one on this planet - which was

....time for everybody to start being nice to each other. Or else.


Yeah, well after forcing myself to read through both of those articles, yours and Craig's, I am mentally exhausted, lol. I hate reading, I get the feeling I am either severely impatient or ADD, who knows. Anyhow, I fathomed the main point of both articles.

I clearly must say I disagree with entire portions of each, but then again they make good points. Since I am a heavy conspiracy theorist, I must say it was all very fascinating.

Israel always is pointed out to be the bad one, but the Palistinian's who have been bombarding their people with terrorism are innocent, that is a crock of crap. Those countries are both wrong in these cases. Palestine does not want their land, they want Israel gone. Israel could turn over 3/4 of the state and it would still not be enough. Israel won that land pretty much after the 6 day war, that was proof enough it belonged to them. I do not go for the whole "Poor Palestine" thing. I hate that crap. I do think Israel can be pretty deceptive though, we must all remember when they blew up the U.S. Navy ship in 1967 and claimed they thought it was an Egyptian vessel. They destroyed it because they probably did not want the U.S. interfering in their affairs, listening in on potential secret activities.

Face it, all of our countries are deceptive and no where is safe in this world. If there are "neutron bombs" out there, then we are in big trouble. I fully believe there are bombs like that out there, "dirty bombs," that could spread radiologic warfare and or nuclear. We live in a dangerous world, but to lean on this will just force us to hide in our houses and build a basement (Like in the movie "Blast From the Past").

This world is corrupt, we all already knew Al Qaeda had access to those weapons, and that is the case with many of these regimes. How can we stop North Korea from selling their secrets off? Or China? We cannot stop that, there is too much corruption in this world.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#21193 by RhythmMan
Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:32 pm
Ok, so, while we're all kissing our asses goodbye - someone pull out a guitar and a harmonica . . .
One, two, . . .
One two three . . . . . .
Row, row row your boat . . . .

#21195 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:46 pm
RhythmMan_BluesRockFolk wrote:Ok, so, while we're all kissing our asses goodbye - someone pull out a guitar and a harmonica . . .
One, two, . . .
One two three . . . . . .
Row, row row your boat . . . .


Lmao! Thanks, RhythmMan, for adding some humor. I think if this got anymore serious I would explode. I guess this is why I do not join debating forums, it would drive me nuts sooner or later.

I like debates just as much as the next guy, but sometimes it becomes overwhelming. Especially for someone who hates reading too much like me, lol.

I will continue that song, with air guitar. *Arranges himself for this* "Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream..."

*Breaks out into a crazy Kirk Hammett solo*

... *Coughs* 8)

Peace out, GuitarANatomy.

#21196 by RhythmMan
Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:01 pm
"Row, row, row your boat,
kiss your ass goodbye
I see a missile with a nuke
falling from the sky . . ."
.
By the way - does my guitar have too much distortion and flanging for this song?
Hmmm, I'm trying to remember what the bridge was . . . are there any dimished chords in "Row, Row Your Boat?"
.
Maybe we can get a drummer with some Tribal Toms and a Double kick to join in, eh?

#21197 by gbheil
Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:20 pm
I'm so confused: I would just like to return to a constatutional America.
I',m so confused am I a freedom fighter or a terrorist?
oh I know I'll be OK now no matter what happens I have insurance .
His name is Jesus (oops wrong thread)

Sorry guys got go, I'm late for my oil bath, Since some of you have decided you can live without it I should have plenty.

#21199 by TheCaptain
Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:30 pm
man, speaking of constitutions, you gotta read some of this.
Maybe this is what some feel would also work best for
these United States?

#21200 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:31 pm
RhythmMan_BluesRockFolk wrote:"Row, row, row your boat,
kiss your ass goodbye
I see a missile with a nuke
falling from the sky . . ."
.
By the way - does my guitar have too much distortion and flanging for this song?
Hmmm, I'm trying to remember what the bridge was . . . are there any dimished chords in "Row, Row Your Boat?"
.
Maybe we can get a drummer with some Tribal Toms and a Double kick to join in, eh?


Neh, add more crunch to the distortion, we could use a good heavy version of this song (Funny lyrics by the way). I am not sure if there are any diminished chords, but we should change it a bit and make it more depressing, add some minor chords... The darker the better, considering this subject is getting depressing, lol.

Yes, we need a drummer. I will continue playing my portion of this...

"Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream...
World shall end by nuclear hands, but life is but a dream..."

*He plays a quick heavy metal solo after singing this, then goes back to original rhythm*

We need that drummer... :lol:

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#21208 by Needle in a haystack
Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:14 pm
Row row row your boat gently down the stream.
Heres your back beat for the song.
Hear my tom's ring. :roll:

#21211 by RhythmMan
Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:14 pm
"Row! Row!
Yee-ah!"
Bump pa bum bum bum bah ba -bada BAh . . .
"Aww -y ea- ah!"
"Row your Booooat, yeah . . ."
ta da da da da - da - tadadadada
"Baby, baby, baby, you gotta Rooww, my boat, now, yeah!"
ta da tpp . . !
Aw, damn, snapped a string . . .
Take it, GA!

#21214 by Irminsul
Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:15 pm
Constitution. Good idea! The problem is, though, it really poses a problem for companies like Bechtel, Blackwater and Halliburton.

ANYHOO....let's drop this thing. Now, who wants to do a schematic comparing and contrasting forms of the etude techniques between Mikhail Shostakovitch and Steven Reich?

#21219 by Starfish Scott
Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:49 pm
All I know is if you have 10 fingers and 10 toes, you are human to me.

Thus nothing to look down my nose at. No, sad to say, an educated man has a hard time thinking anyone is superior to anyone else.

It's mostly the downtrodden who come up with oddball ideas about life, people and other cultures.

"It takes all types, folks".

#21231 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:48 pm
Lmao. It is becoming more jazzy now, but hey, watch where those strings snap *Almost lost an eye, backs up far away*

"Row, row, row your boat, gently down the steam... We are all going to die, so why not shed some steam..." *Does some slap guitar techniques to give it the guitar more of a deeper bass sound, going jazzy/bluesy*

Woo... Now that's what I call "The Armageddon Blues" version of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat."

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy. 8) *Snaps his thumbs in that bluesy fashion of the 60's.*

#21234 by Needle in a haystack
Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:37 pm
Twirl twirl twirl my sticks double bass solo.
Miss a beat drop a stick get a metronome. :lol:

Is 138 to slow?

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