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You have to be a rather "dull tool" to take Bush or Palin that seriously ... the "left" and "right" are played against each other on domestic issues like a yo-yo every 4 - 8 years ... keeping all of the Dems and Gops distracted from ever interfering with the larger international global concerns of the CFR. So if Bush's grand-pappy helped Nazi investments, if Palin is an Idiot, of if Obama is an African national, doesn't make much difference if you are too stupid to figure out who they all work for ... now it sure is convenient that we find international terrorist states wherever we need to build oil pipelines.

I don't take any politician seriously. As one gets older, you get more discernment in hearing what they don't say, which is more important than what they do say.

I was simply pointing out that the left-wing extremists (everyone who isn't FOX or talk radio because, of course, they are right-wing extremists) jumped through hoops over the moon to attack a lady who has a spectacular Gubonatorial record in Alaska!?!

When they had nothing of any substance against her (though Soros certainly funded millions in lawyers looking for it) they then made it viciously personal. You thought it was funny, right?

And why did they attack a lady's character (Didn't Bill Clinton say that character didn't matter?) in a personal way? For the pure & simple reason that she had the audacity to expect some kind of accountable credibility on many issues from Obama. Instead of civilized debate and truthful answers we got ridicule for asking legitimate and relevant questions that any previous politician would certainly have to answer.

It is Obama himself who has turned political discourse into personal attacks....and then points a hypocritical finger at his opposition, like it's our fault we can't get an honest answer from him ever.


I don't like any politicians you could name. Yet I have a modicum of respect the ones who will tell you what they have planned and then allow the political process to go forward. It's easier to accept another bad law when you know you at least had a say in the debate.

But Liberals (D & R) know that whenever liberals allow the political process, they lose. They instead game the system to thwart the will of the people and rely on deception, and why I have a special contempt for them above other corrupt politicians.



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That was very well written Yod. Thank You!

Really? True Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians are taught "Love your enemy.

too bad so many can't practice what they're "taught".

On the other hand, devout Muslims are required hate and to kill the infidel.

I guess there really is no difference to the terminally stupid.

and you just gave a perfect example of "terminal stupidity" w that ignorant statement.

that you actually believe "devout muslims" are taught to hate and kill only illustrates your bigotry, intolerance, and ignorance.

radical muslims yes... DEVOUT muslims, no. get a clue..there IS a difference.

Mark... I have worked closely with 'devout' Muslims. Once, upon a time... I was strolling on a Saturday afternoon at the suk (Market) in a place called Djibouti, Africa. Its sits squarely between Somalia and Ethiopia.

Now , let me tell you..those guys are 'devout' Muslims... They also live in 12th century conditions that make the 13th century look like a Robert Heinlein sci-fi paradise.

I almost had my throat cut (precursor to a beheading?) , when I haphazardly grabbed my camera and started shooting pictures of a really cool looking mosque and women with rugs and wares laid out... I was unpleasantly escorted away from the entrance of that mosque, by a guy with a machete looking weapon. And I was told that if I wanted to take pictures, that there were some Coptic Christians down the alley way that would oblige....(He was trying to insult me) Even though the whole town looked like a ghetto to me, i was under the impression that the alley way led to yet a worse condition...
Christians (or Non-Muslims) are not highly regarded in Djibouti as much as they might be in Turkey.

Meanwhile, One of my Buddies was getting hi-jacked with an exorbitant taxi fee (the equivalent of his entire paycheck) (and wound up in their jails when he 'refused to agree' with the fee). It took a lot of coaxing from our embassy to get him released.

There is no other way to say it ...there is nothing to read into ...it simply is a fact that those particular 'devout muslums' were not showing 'the love'

Mark, you're a smart guy... Surely you don't dismiss that each us of have individual experiences, which impact us each, differently. But, Are you aware that that while you dress down Slacker's comments, you are subbing in your own brand of 'sweeping' logic?

Did you know....that Individual experiences also include personal events of deductive reasoning, which in and of themselves, leave an impact on ourselves? Here's where I'm going with this: Collectively...Many Americans have fallen into a process of deductive reasoning , which states that: 'Muslims caused (enter list of tragedies here) and I am so unsettled by this, that my thinking about Muslims themselves upsets me.. I hate how I feel , therefore I hate Muslims... '

I suspect this is the collective thorn of thinking, which plagues White America.

It does not help matters, that there is collective indifference by many other social communities, which dismiss this distinct problem. (Devout muslums in the USA aren't exactly jumping to quell fears , now are they?) I could cite other groups..but I've made the point.

Here is why I am disgusted in my Country...'Cause all the mother f u c k e rs in it , could very easily solve this problem. All they have to do is extend a little compassion, and tell the ragers..."Hey, we understand why you feel upset... lets work through this together..."

But NOOOOOOO...instead, Mark .... we have a bunch of 'Politically correct C O C K- SUCKERS with their dicks up each others asses, cause ASS--FUCKING is more valued in America (it seems) than COMPASSION is.



Stepping off my soap box...

Grant as much as you are right... As much as I feel the anger... Tone down the language a bit.

Mark is too smart to fall into that. We actually need intelligent discussion without unloading on each other.

I know how you feel... The time has come to put all emotion on the side.


TIME TO LOCK in the TRUTH, and LOAD IN the Future. Only God knows how this will turn out.

Grant as much as you are right... As much as I feel the anger... Tone down the language a bit.

Mark is too smart to fall into that. We actually need intelligent discussion without unloading on each other.

I know how you feel... The time has come to put all emotion on the side.


TIME TO LOCK in the TRUTH, and LOAD IN the Future. Only God knows how this will turn out.

Glenny You are right.. And Mark...You do know that language of mine is NOT an affront against you personally...

Profanity is the last bastion of the man who's out of ideas.

my brother has Tourette's Syndrome but he has gotten better with age..

Profanity is the last bastion of the man who's out of ideas.

And you were the afterbirth that stood in for a real person

maybe jimmy, dawg has a mild case of Tourette's Syndrome?

Dane ...Its futile to suck off Jimmy Danger like that.. First off ...YOU'LL starve... Second, you will only confirm the spinelessness about you that Lynard tried to warn us about.

ok Paper, you are possibly right.. I would not want to annoy anonymous "people" on the internet..

A devout follower of any particular religion is someone that is intimately familiar with their respective holy books, and a doer of the words contained therein.

It is precisely the devout muslims who are the radical ones, because they are only obeying what the Quran says. All one has to do is look at the brutality and bloodthirst in nations which are Islamic to know the truth about Islam.

And it doesn't take much more than common sense to see it clearly. Unfortunately that seems rare in America today and it doesn't help that the current Administration is working so hard to confuse the issue.

maybe jimmy, dawg has a mild case of Tourette's Syndrome?

Dane ...Its futile to suck off Jimmy Danger like that.. First off ...YOU'LL starve... Second, you will only confirm the spinelessness about you that Lynard tried to warn us about.

You are a damaged individual, and it's probably why you fail at everything you do. At first you just annoyed me, then you just bored me and now I think you need some help. Good luck with your issues.

Mark... I have worked closely with 'devout' Muslims. Once, upon a time... I was strolling on a Saturday afternoon at the suk (Market) in a place called Djibouti, Africa. Its sits squarely between Somalia and Ethiopia.

Now , let me tell you..those guys are 'devout' Muslims... They also live in 12th century conditions that make the 13th century look like a Robert Heinlein sci-fi paradise.

I almost had my throat cut (precursor to a beheading?) , when I haphazardly grabbed my camera and started shooting pictures of a really cool looking mosque and women with rugs and wares laid out... I was unpleasantly escorted away from the entrance of that mosque, by a guy with a machete looking weapon. And I was told that if I wanted to take pictures, that there were some Coptic Christians down the alley way that would oblige....(He was trying to insult me) Even though the whole town looked like a ghetto to me, i was under the impression that the alley way led to yet a worse condition...
Christians (or Non-Muslims) are not highly regarded in Djibouti as much as they might be in Turkey.

Meanwhile, One of my Buddies was getting hi-jacked with an exorbitant taxi fee (the equivalent of his entire paycheck) (and wound up in their jails when he 'refused to agree' with the fee). It took a lot of coaxing from our embassy to get him released.

There is no other way to say it ...there is nothing to read into ...it simply is a fact that those particular 'devout muslums' were not showing 'the love'

well, grant....the opinions we've already grown into will clearly inform how we choose to view and interpret everything we experience. obviously you came away w your interpretations and it would seem you have taken those impressions of the muslims you dealt w there and have cut and pasted them to inform how you view all muslims. if i have misread that....please excuse me.

but, because YOU are also a smart guy.....i know you can recognize that someone else faced w that exact same experience might come away w something entirely different... perhaps ready to acknowledge that taking photos of someone's holy mosque, and their women by an obvious outsider w/o first asking permission could be taken as highly offensive. ooops...my bad. sorry.

Mark, you're a smart guy... Surely you don't dismiss that each us of have individual experiences, which impact us each, differently. But, Are you aware that that while you dress down Slacker's comments, you are subbing in your own brand of 'sweeping' logic?

and what "sweeping logic" of my own am i imposing...that making sweeping judgements about an entire race, religion, or group of people simply based on the actions of a small portion of that group is "bigoted, intolerant, and ignorant" ????? you got me...i'm guilty as charged.

Did you know....that Individual experiences also include personal events of deductive reasoning, which in and of themselves, leave an impact on ourselves?

well, as i said above....i believe our "reasoning" and our takeaway from what we experience has more to do w our preconceived conclusions and our already in place programming than the actual events themselves.

Here's where I'm going with this: Collectively...Many Americans have fallen into a process of deductive reasoning , which states that: 'Muslims caused (enter list of tragedies here) and I am so unsettled by this, that my thinking about Muslims themselves upsets me.. I hate how I feel , therefore I hate Muslims... '

bbbbbbut.....slacker just explained above how the bible teaches us all to LOVE your enemy!!!!

look, too many (christians, muslims, jews, militant blacks, segregationists, you name it) are always... and HAVE always looked for someone to blame for their problems, shortcomings, and failures. a scapegoat. a convenient target for their rage and their hate.

I suspect this is the collective thorn of thinking, which plagues White America.

It does not help matters, that there is collective indifference by many other social communities, which dismiss this distinct problem. (Devout muslums in the USA aren't exactly jumping to quell fears , now are they?) I could cite other groups..but I've made the point.


Here is why I am disgusted in my Country...'Cause all the mother f u c k e rs in it , could very easily solve this problem. All they have to do is extend a little compassion, and tell the ragers..."Hey, we understand why you feel upset... lets work through this together..."

i wish it were that easy. i don't believe it is. that notion HAS been put out there but humans just love their ball of hate and they're largely unwilling to let go of it.

But NOOOOOOO...instead, Mark .... we have a bunch of 'Politically correct C O C K- SUCKERS with their dicks up each others asses, cause ASS--f**k is more valued in America (it seems) than COMPASSION is.

well, i agree that lack of compassion, emapathy, and trust will surely be our downfall. sad that people are so quick to hate and answer perceived hatred towards them w another volley of hatred.

Stepping off my soap box...

well, it's time for me to do the same.

A devout follower of any particular religion is someone that is intimately familiar with their respective holy books, and a doer of the words contained therein.

It is precisely the devout muslims who are the radical ones, because they are only obeying what the Quran says. All one has to do is look at the brutality and bloodthirst in nations which are Islamic to know the truth about Islam.

And it doesn't take much more than common sense to see it clearly. Unfortunately that seems rare in America today and it doesn't help that the current Administration is working so hard to confuse the issue.

so ted, i have to ask since i know you consider yourself a devout follower of the bible.

by your reasoning above.....do you cotton to these tenets that are put forth in the bible?

In Leviticus 25:44-46, the Lord tells the Israelites it’s OK to own slaves, provided they are strangers or heathens.

In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.

In Exodus 15:3, the Bible tells us the Lord is a man of war.

In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins.

In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently.

In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.


yeah, there are parts in the koran that advocate violence and killing. and there are going to be whack job muslims that WILL take it literally. but the same CAN be said of the bible.

thankfully most muslims do NOT take that stuff literally and don't see it as license to kill.....much the same as you don't believe it's ok to "kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently." (Deuteronomy 13:6-16)

so if as you say in your definition of a "devout follower"...

"A devout follower of any particular religion is someone that is intimately familiar with their respective holy books, and a[/b] doer of the words contained therein." [/b]

are YOU killing "those who worship a different god or who worships the lord differently" as a "devout" follower would by your definition?

Grant as much as you are right... As much as I feel the anger... Tone down the language a bit.

Mark is too smart to fall into that. We actually need intelligent discussion without unloading on each other.

I know how you feel... The time has come to put all emotion on the side.


TIME TO LOCK in the TRUTH, and LOAD IN the Future. Only God knows how this will turn out.

Glenny You are right.. And Mark...You do know that language of mine is NOT an affront against you personally...

no worries, grant.....i got that.

glen, there's still mountains of stuff that you and i will always disagree on, but once again i have to applaud you for the grace you continue to show.

I was going to respond to specific points, but it looks like planetguy laid it all out pretty well.
thanks PG.

To the rest of you: Thanks for all the insults and hate guys.. pretty much you all have proven my views of typical american christians to be accurate and true. Why are you guys so full of hatred, apathy, and superiority, yet preach otherwise? Your bible is full of hatred and violence, yet all you can do is point out the exact same thing from other religions. You are walking contradictions, to the extreme.

Whatever. Nobody can fix group delusions.