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Here's a Canadian perspective:

Assault Rifles
Fully Automatic pistols.
Are Completely unlawful in Canada for the General Public to own. These are the sole use of the Police & Military.

Our Prison Guards are not even armed for the most part. (Exception being what the USA would call Super-max)

I've heard it said while visiting in the states, that firearms are banned in Canada

Incorrect.

You may apply for, and receive a License to buy amunition, and a Firearms Aquisition Certificate

One is for collectors only, one is for People who wish to actually shoot the weapon.

You may purchase at any time (with the correct permits)
Hunting rifles with no more than 5 round magzine.

Pistols are restricted to certain models.
Assault type weapons may be purchased with a Prohibited weapons permit (and security check done by C.I.S.I.S - Canadian version of C.I.A.)
Also any assault type rifles CANNOT be functioning on Fully Automatic.
Prohibited Weapons are limited to range use only.

No Hunting with and AK-47, or AR-15.

Archery Equipment, Including Crossbows are unrestricted in almost all forms.


Most murders in Canada are caused by Knife or Blunt force Trauma.

When a shooting does occur Pistols are the illegal weapon of choice. Automatic rifles are very rare due to the difficulty in getting them.


Here is a question for my american friends.......

Why do you need an fully automatic 30 round assault rifle to protect your property & Family?

Would not a carefully aimed .308 be just as effective?
What is the point of carrying a pistol in your jacket or ankle holster?

I put it forward to you that Most of the General Public cannot operate a firearm in a high stress situation.

That takes training. Police & military (I served 4.5 years in the Canadian Infantry)

Just a outsider looking in and not understanding how an assault rifle is considered personal protection.

Here's a Canadian perspective:

Assault Rifles
Fully Automatic pistols.
Are Completely unlawful in Canada for the General Public to own. These are the sole use of the Police & Military.

Our Prison Guards are not even armed for the most part. (Exception being what the USA would call Super-max)

I've heard it said while visiting in the states, that firearms are banned in Canada

Incorrect.

You may apply for, and receive a License to buy amunition, and a Firearms Aquisition Certificate

One is for collectors only, one is for People who wish to actually shoot the weapon.

You may purchase at any time (with the correct permits)
Hunting rifles with no more than 5 round magzine.

Pistols are restricted to certain models.
Assault type weapons may be purchased with a Prohibited weapons permit (and security check done by C.I.S.I.S - Canadian version of C.I.A.)
Also any assault type rifles CANNOT be functioning on Fully Automatic.
Prohibited Weapons are limited to range use only.

No Hunting with and AK-47, or AR-15.

Archery Equipment, Including Crossbows are unrestricted in almost all forms.


Most murders in Canada are caused by Knife or Blunt force Trauma.

When a shooting does occur Pistols are the illegal weapon of choice. Automatic rifles are very rare due to the difficulty in getting them.


Here is a question for my american friends.......

Why do you need an fully automatic 30 round assault rifle to protect your property & Family?

Would not a carefully aimed .308 be just as effective?
What is the point of carrying a pistol in your jacket or ankle holster?

I put it forward to you that Most of the General Public cannot operate a firearm in a high stress situation.

That takes training. Police & military (I served 4.5 years in the Canadian Infantry)

Just a outsider looking in and not understanding how an assault rifle is considered personal protection.

I'm not a gun nut.
But, I at least appreciate the principle behind the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
You gotta remember, Americans fought the world's most powerful empire (at the time) for it's independence.
In principle, Americans have the right to defend themselves from THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT if it becomes necessary.
You need weapons to do that.
Hence, the right to bear arms.
So, I can understand why someone would want a gun that won't likely ever be used.
Personal protection can mean a lot of things.

Here's a Canadian perspective:

Assault Rifles
Fully Automatic pistols.
Are Completely unlawful in Canada for the General Public to own. These are the sole use of the Police & Military.

Our Prison Guards are not even armed for the most part. (Exception being what the USA would call Super-max)

I've heard it said while visiting in the states, that firearms are banned in Canada

Incorrect.

You may apply for, and receive a License to buy amunition, and a Firearms Aquisition Certificate

One is for collectors only, one is for People who wish to actually shoot the weapon.

You may purchase at any time (with the correct permits)
Hunting rifles with no more than 5 round magzine.

Pistols are restricted to certain models.
Assault type weapons may be purchased with a Prohibited weapons permit (and security check done by C.I.S.I.S - Canadian version of C.I.A.)
Also any assault type rifles CANNOT be functioning on Fully Automatic.
Prohibited Weapons are limited to range use only.

No Hunting with and AK-47, or AR-15.

Archery Equipment, Including Crossbows are unrestricted in almost all forms.


Most murders in Canada are caused by Knife or Blunt force Trauma.

When a shooting does occur Pistols are the illegal weapon of choice. Automatic rifles are very rare due to the difficulty in getting them.


Here is a question for my american friends.......

Why do you need an fully automatic 30 round assault rifle to protect your property & Family?

Would not a carefully aimed .308 be just as effective?
What is the point of carrying a pistol in your jacket or ankle holster?

I put it forward to you that Most of the General Public cannot operate a firearm in a high stress situation.

That takes training. Police & military (I served 4.5 years in the Canadian Infantry)

Just a outsider looking in and not understanding how an assault rifle is considered personal protection.

Fully automatic weapons of any kind are illegal for a citizen to own in the U.S. the only exception is someone with a dealers license, or folks with a special permit. All of the shootings you are hearing about were committed with semi auto assault weapons (one shot per pull of trigger). A fully auto weapon continues shooting as long as you have the trigger pulled until the clip is empty. It is our 2cd amendment right to own weapons to defend our self's from anyone given to us by the funding fathers of the constitution of these united States.

Here's a Canadian perspective:

Assault Rifles
Fully Automatic pistols.
Are Completely unlawful in Canada for the General Public to own. These are the sole use of the Police & Military.

Our Prison Guards are not even armed for the most part. (Exception being what the USA would call Super-max)

I've heard it said while visiting in the states, that firearms are banned in Canada

Incorrect.

You may apply for, and receive a License to buy amunition, and a Firearms Aquisition Certificate

One is for collectors only, one is for People who wish to actually shoot the weapon.

You may purchase at any time (with the correct permits)
Hunting rifles with no more than 5 round magzine.

Pistols are restricted to certain models.
Assault type weapons may be purchased with a Prohibited weapons permit (and security check done by C.I.S.I.S - Canadian version of C.I.A.)
Also any assault type rifles CANNOT be functioning on Fully Automatic.
Prohibited Weapons are limited to range use only.

No Hunting with and AK-47, or AR-15.

Archery Equipment, Including Crossbows are unrestricted in almost all forms.


Most murders in Canada are caused by Knife or Blunt force Trauma.

When a shooting does occur Pistols are the illegal weapon of choice. Automatic rifles are very rare due to the difficulty in getting them.


Here is a question for my american friends.......

Why do you need an fully automatic 30 round assault rifle to protect your property & Family?

Would not a carefully aimed .308 be just as effective?
What is the point of carrying a pistol in your jacket or ankle holster?

I put it forward to you that Most of the General Public cannot operate a firearm in a high stress situation.

That takes training. Police & military (I served 4.5 years in the Canadian Infantry)

Just a outsider looking in and not understanding how an assault rifle is considered personal protection.

As an insider,,,, Those weapons are not for personal protection,,,,
They are to keep a capricious and arbitrary government in check.
They are to let all enemies of our constitution FEAR the common man.
They are to let terrorists know that we are not going to tolerate their style of murder.
They are a warning to all wannabe kings and hitlers.
WE ARE ARMED. We have this thing that is supposed to work, called checks and balances. ALL THOSE AMERICAN GUNS ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.
The people should never fear the government , It should always be the other way around. Hope that explains something.

I wonder. Do the libs know that more murders were committed with Assault hands, assault feet, assault hammers and assault knives and blunt attack assault instruments than with all those so called "Military assault rifles" and shotguns combined? Every year?

well, that does it!

We should immediately ban all hands, feet, hammers, steak and butter knives, and anything that is blunt.....so libs can "feel" like they've been good tools of the State.

Maybe we should ban hospitals. Does any one know how many people die in hospitals?
No hospitals,,, no body dies.

I guess if you don't care about your childrens future its okay!

jeff, it's precisely BECAUSE people care about their children's future that they want stricter gun regulation.

how can anyone who cares about their children be AGAINST a ban on assault weapons or stricter guidelines/longer wait lists/better background checks that keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs?

perspective my friend. perspective.

Here's a novel Idea... How about all these 'concerned ' parents teach their children how to be respectful of other people and property. Then the gov don't have to jump in and do the job that parents are supposed to do. You can laugh at me all you want...but I absolutely contend that every time a new law is created, or an old one is modified, that mean's that a little more of your freedom is getting taken away from you. Laws in America exist, cause obviously, people cant behave properly by their own dictums. They cant behave properly cause no one has the balls to horsewhip their kids into obedience. Instead, these kinder/gentler parents would prefer the govt do its own brand of horsewhipping...aka lawyer-gangnam style... Well friends...I look around and I notice that yall are getting what yall asked fer. Now dont be going all postal on me...

The run on guns at local stores this week is unbelievable. People are buying up all the guns fearing the worst. Great now we have hundreds of thousands of more weapons on the street. Do you feel safer?

YES!

The very document that has been the essence of our country has been violated far to many times. Mostly by do gooding politicians that have a unilateral perception that the power granted them by the people, allows them the very freedom to rule by anarchy. WRONG!

The Kent state shootings violated the 1st amendment.
The aftermath of hurricane Katrina violated the 3rd amendment. The 2nd too. National guard entered homes illegally and confiscated even the simplest of weapons.

How about every one being allowed to hold the same fully automatic weapons that a capricious and arbitrary government would send against any one that disagrees with the law. Laws that are being distorted and twisted in every way possible. Laws that our president will swear to uphold in a few days,,,, BUT HE ISN'T!

Even now we are hearing the grumbling from far left radical terrorists that believe the Constitution is outdated and should be scrapped.

Any one need more reason to protect yourself? You have the Constitution protecting the rights of FREEMEN,,, And WE have guns protecting the Constitution.

Real simple,,, HUH!

The biggest problem liberal thieves have to deal with if they intend to have total control and dominance over the common man. Funny how our founding fathers understood that 236 years ago!

This Senator from CA,,, What's her name? Oh yeah FEINSTEIN,,, DIANNE.

One of the biggest hitlers walking this planet.

Simply she wants to take away semi autos by making it taxable, registrable, and ultimately taking away 4th amendment rights.
If you own a class 3 weapon, the ATF will be able to inspect the weapon for compliance at any time.

I know this is a sticky issue for all you cowards,,, But the proof is the destruction of the constitution.

That is the one thing that must be done before you can enslave the American people.

Feinstein,,, You are a traitor!!!!!!

Here's an American perspective:
Canadians are faggots.

Facts that are convenient to ignore:

1) The 2nd amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It explicitly states that the reason for all citizens owning guns was to aid the security of the government (state). Read about the whiskey rebellion someday, and how the militia was formed to quell it. Nowhere does the 2nd amendment refer to overthrowing or protecting ones self from the government. Letters and footnotes written by the founders confirm the intent.

2) That it's a matter of statistical fact that those who own guns are much more likely to be killed by a gun than those who do not.

I guess if you don't care about your childrens future its okay!

jeff, it's precisely BECAUSE people care about their children's future that they want stricter gun regulation.

how can anyone who cares about their children be AGAINST a ban on assault weapons or stricter guidelines/longer wait lists/better background checks that keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs?

perspective my friend. perspective.

Here's a novel Idea... How about all these 'concerned ' parents teach their children how to be respectful of other people and property. Then the gov don't have to jump in and do the job that parents are supposed to do.

grant, in what world does that connection and leap of logic make any sense at all????

so, if the parents of the Newtown children did a better job parenting .....their kids would have been spared???? or the parents of the kids in the Aurora movie theatre?


what does better parenting have to do w the issue of making it a LITTLE more difficult for crazies to have easy access to weapons they can stockpile?

your leap of logic suggests that any one who wants to try to protect their children that way is a bad and neglectful parent? really?

so, i want school zone speed limits kept in place and enforced because that keeps children safe. does that make me a neglectful and "phone it in" parent because i am expecting the gov't to help keep children safe in that regard????

i mean really, if only i just horsewhipped my children into looking both ways before crossing the street ...then i shouldn't have to rely on the gov't to protect my kids, eh?

friggin' gov't taking away everyone's freedom to drive 70 mph thru a school zone! why do those fascists think they have the right to do that???!?!!?

'cos that's how it starts.....first they impose speed limits....and then before ya know it....they've taken away and outlawed cars!!!

what's next? only outlaws will have cars!

people cant behave properly by their own dictums.

no, sadly they can't. and that's why we NEED the gov't to step in and create laws.

because let's face it...w/o laws people WILL drive 70 mph thru a school zone. idiots WILL be yelling "FIRE" for shits and grins in crowded theatres. ...and worse. much worse.

They cant behave properly cause no one has the balls to horsewhip their kids into obedience. Instead, these kinder/gentler parents would prefer the govt do its own brand of horsewhipping...aka lawyer-gangnam style... Well friends...I look around and I notice that yall are getting what yall asked fer. Now dont be going all postal on me...

so who got what they deserved? victims of these batshit killers?

did they go postal because THEY were mollycoddled by their parents? would john lennon still be w us if mark chapman wasn't coddled by his parents?

Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776 asserted that, "the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state"

You lose, pinko Pennsylvania boy

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

No law shall abridge my 2nd amendment. The constitution and the bill of rights belong to the people, not those who are temporary help elected to protect our (Citizens) rights.

Play poker? A choked down 20ga pump shotgun triumphs a guy kicking in my door with an AR. What would you prefer if someone broke into your house? A Glock or a shotgun?