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Perhaps a definition of socialism is needed here, because I do not see that policy employed in early American history.

http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/ ... ialism.php

That is the world socialist website. I believe it contains a philosophy diametrically opposed to a Constitutional Republic, which is what America is.

In case I didn't state it properly, I had meant to say that socialist ideals were implemented to help build this country. There are ideals of all natures embedded into our systems. Some have been more successful than others, but it's my belief that the best success this country had, arguably 1950-?, was because of massive citizen unions, involvement, and social programs that allowed everyone to work and live on a more even scale. The rich were still rich and the poor were still poor, but nowhere near the dramatic levels today.

That site is a little off-putting simply because it's defining socialism in it's purest form. Image a definition of capitalism in it's purest form. Scary as hell. We've seen our country come close to that in the 1800's where workers were abused, kids in work camps, little to no pay (taken away for rents), hazardous work conditions, etc.. If you read up on it, it's fairly horrifying. No pure "ISM" is a good thing, not one.

I do NOT want everything held in common ownership by everybody, which means government ultimately controls it.

Perhaps nationalism, capitalism, and socialism all combined? All I know is that Oil, metals, water, air- common resources that we all share, have been gobbled up by capitalists and we're being made to believe that it's perfectly fine for them to take government lands (we the peoples land) so they can exploit it, process it, then sell it back to us for obscene profits. It's bullcrap.. and half these companies aren't even paying taxes or headquartered in the US, or even owned by americans (BP, anyone?).

I do NOT want politicians of any stripe in control of ANYTHING other than what the Constitution allows. They wreck whatever they touch.

Where ya been? They control the constitution itself, I agree they wreck everything - power corrupts, and the system our founders put in place- three branches all in charge of oversight of each other, have merged and broken down the barriers, which is why we continue to spiral downwards. The foxes are in control of the hen-house. How can anything be much worse? We may not be slaves, but we are no doubt indentured to the powerful and wealthy. Freedom in america is nothing more than an illusion, and your constitution? Nothing more than a warm-fuzzy sheet of paper that is ignored at will. Don't think so? Look up the patriot act, the NDAA, etc.. all clearly violate the constitution, yet continue to exist and override it.

I do NOT want to live in a Democracy - majority rule - which the Founders knew was little more than mob rule, and there always follows persecution of minorities when majorities have the final say. I want to live under the rule of law, as defined by the US Constitution.

how is representative government any different when all the representatives are corrupt and have gamed the system? Compared to that, democracy doesn't really look all that bad. But I don't really want either. I think the government should exist solely to protect, defend, and serve the people. period.

I do NOT want to live in a global community controlled by a "Democratic" majority deciding what I need in life.

See above

Nothing has been done in American history according to socialistic principles. That is erroneous. Roads were paid for, money given to free capitalist companies to build them. Many have challenged, on Constitutional principles, whether the federal government has any business entering the "space race." It did so in response to Soviet activities. Private enterprise would have gotten man into space and to the moon much more quickly than government controlled NASA had done.

Bull! Roads were paved with public funds for the public benefit. Schools, police/fire, etc.. all paid for by public funds for the welfare and benefit of the public. It's not socialism, it's socialist ideals in a capitalist environment. Private enterprise would never have ventured into space, as there's no profit motive or incentive. The only reason that virgin mobile dude has created a space flight for citizens is because he wanted so desperately to go himself. And it's largely a fiscal failure.

The incentive to gain, to produce wealth, to better oneself will always be a more productive society than socialism, which has failed in every country it has been attempted in. Where China has succeeded it has done so at the expense of multiplied millions, now hundreds of millions, who have no freedoms or liberty or pursuit of happiness as they see fit.

History of capitalism tells a different story of slavery, servitude, employee abuse, neglect for environment, society, and everything else that doesn't equate to personal wealth and power. History tells the same story over and over, with few rare exceptions, which is why collective bargaining and regulations came into place.

China is communist, btw. Look at Denmark- Socialist, and via polling has consistently been considered the happiest country on the planet. Other social nations like sweden and other norweigan nations are also doing just fine and happy with socialist policies. Notice I stated policies. Nations don't have to be pure socialist entities to gain advantage from socialist policies and ideals.

God forbid America becomes a socialist nation. Progressives have already ruined enough of the American dream. If Obama gets another term he will do all he can to finish the job, and America will turn into Greece, into Spain, into riots, chaos, and military on the streets of every city in America.

I think that you are correct, but not because of socialism. Those riots are happening because of austerity. The common man getting bitch-slapped over and over and over again, while the wealthy and powerful just keep getting richer and more powerful, and keep lowering their own taxes at the expense of the common man.

Did you know that in the 1950's, the tax rate on the 1% was close to 91%? Historically, in this country, the wealthy elite paid about 50% in taxes. Now most of them pay between 13-17% while the rest of us pay 27-33%. I feel like rioting too. If I had $20Mil, I'd be happy as horseshit to give $15M back to society, hell- I'd still be rich and maybe that would do some of my brothers who were'nt so fortunate some good. I've always said, the world needs janitors and garbage men.. so why don't they have a right to also work hard and make a decent living, or gain social advantages to help them make their living? I don't care if society gives to the little guy so long as he works, and most do.

"Bull! Roads were paved with public funds for the public benefit. Schools, police/fire, etc.. all paid for by public funds for the welfare and benefit of the public. It's not socialism, it's socialist ideals in a capitalist environment. Private enterprise would never have ventured into space, as there's no profit motive or incentive. The only reason that virgin mobile dude has created a space flight for citizens is because he wanted so desperately to go himself. And it's largely a fiscal failure."

Roads were not constructed by government employees, that was my point. They, everything in America has been built by free Americans working for personal wealth of some level. Why work hard if government takes it all, which is the final level for all socialist societies - gray laziness, unless someone has a gun at your head.

I just read articles about Texas seizing up a couple private enterprise space exploration/tourist ventures which California has driven out with taxes and regs. The history of flight is not inspired by any government, and never will be. Flight, by definition, is freedom. Government only curtails it.

The founders knew, and Adams said the Constitution is made for a moral people. Without that the dangers of despotism are ALWAYS present. Call the Constitution an old piece of paper if you want to. Once it is totally disregarded (and that is coming) America ceases to exist as America.

As far as Obama and redistribution of wealth, I hold my ground based on the tenure of his life, his politics, his own books, mentors, administrations, and yes, reading between the lines which such a man forces on people because of his agenda. You didn't refer to Paperdog's example of the conversation with Joe the Plumber. It was point blank there. Coupled with examples given, and others not given, there is zero doubt in my mind Obama is a Marxist by definition. Call it all what you will - Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Marxists: all the same thing when broken down to the common denominator - government controls the lives of citizens.

I have no more respect for Republicans than I do Democrats. I just see Republicans slowing down the ultimate demise of the Republic, and Democrats hastening it as fast as they can.

"History of capitalism tells a different story of slavery, servitude, employee abuse, neglect for environment, society, and everything else that doesn't equate to personal wealth and power. History tells the same story over and over, with few rare exceptions, which is why collective bargaining and regulations came into place. "

Hence the need for morality among people. NO system is perfect. But I will ALWAYS feel safer in that land where man is free from government interference to pursue happiness at my own risk. The federal government of the United States is in every single bloody room in my house, in my car, in my shop, in my yard, on the roads, in the stores, in every single aspect of my life, making things more expensive, more complicated, robbing me of GOD GIVEN freedoms of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I am sick to death of it. Socialism is more of the same. Worse. If people want to donate to help others, well and good. But forced taxation from producers to help non-producers is the destruction of every single society that has tried it. If you believe the polls about Denmark and Sweden without reading info from all sources about that subject, so be it. Perhaps you should consider moving there if they have a better system for improving individual liberty and restricting government abuse and oversight. Th fact is the multiculturalism of those nations is killing them slowly, and those few who recognize it are ostracized. But the multicultural asp will yet sink the final poison into the flesh of those nations. Same as here, for that matter. BTW, I have heard Sweden requires gun ownership by law. Interesting concept. Wonder why despots have made historical comment that if America is to be attacked, do not enter through Texas.

When man is free, truly free, enjoying God given liberty and freedom, NO society must fear their own government. I fear mine. Despotism is not long hence.

BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH...GOVERNMENT BAD!
Yeah, whatever.



As long as people exist, government will exist.
As long as government exists, it will govern.
As long as it governs, it will tax you and interfere in your life...for both bad and good.
Get the f*ck over it.

Big government always tries to hide the truth behind their motives.

Funny how the libs make such a big deal over slavery and use race baiting when it was the dems that fought to keep it while repubs fought to end it. And the dem party that wanted to keep the blacks second class citizens while the repubs fought for civil rights legislation. England was the big supplier of slaves to the colonies and they were making a lot of money doing it. And I still don;t understand the logic that whitey owes them since so many whities died to free them.

The dems have kept the blacks in poverty through their give away programs, and now they want to do the same to their own, thus the 47% on the dole. They have kept the blacks in bondage through handouts, and now they want to trick whitey into falling into the same trap.

I don't see any of these wealthy politicians offering any of their millions, they only want to take what little you have and spread that around, and unfortunately there are enough people in America without pride to take those stolen funds.

People in power always want more power. People in power want to keep their power. Power is addictive. Thus government will always be corrupt. Hmmmmmm... Did I wander a bit off topic? Someone has to or this wouldn't be a legitimate Bandmix thread.

Does this stir the pot?

"As long as people exist, government will exist.
As long as government exists, it will govern.
As long as it governs, it will tax you and interfere in your life...for both bad and good.
Get the f*ck over it."

Even the Founders knew government was a necessary evil. That is why they wrote the Declaration and Constitution, to LIMIT and constrain elected civil SERVANTS from becoming tyrants.

Taxes are not the problem. Taxation for non-Constitutional ends is the problem. And if I and my generation paid more attention to it when young you would not be telling me to get over it today. But what freedom you think you have today will never be me telling you to get over it when people open their mouth and get hauled away for speaking against tyranny when you have lost what freedom you believe exists now.

My father fought a world war for this? Not.

Big government always tries to hide the truth behind their motives.

Funny how the libs make such a big deal over slavery and use race baiting when it was the dems that fought to keep it while repubs fought to end it. And the dem party that wanted to keep the blacks second class citizens while the repubs fought for civil rights legislation. England was the big supplier of slaves to the colonies and they were making a lot of money doing it. And I still don;t understand the logic that whitey owes them since so many of whitey died to free them.

People in power always want more power. People in power want to keep their power. Power is addictive. Thus government will always be corrupt. Hmmmmmm Did I wander a bit off topic? Someone has to or this wouldn't be a legitimate Bandmix thread.

Does this stir the pot?

Comparing the Democrats & Republicans of the 1860's to the ones around today is more than a little disingenuous. Look at the demographics. It's the same regions with the same prejudices, only the names have changed.

And for those wondering about another take on Denmark?

"Ok seriously I have been reading all over the Internet about how wonderful Denmark is and the comments are usually written by americans.. So I just felt obligated to write this rant, not to burst your bubble but to give you people a little hardcore dose of reality.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you people? You have all the freedom you can ever have in the US and you sit here talking about how wonderful Denmark is? Let me tell you I live in this place and it is nowhere NEAR the fairytale that you people are describing.. It’s basically a socialist hellhole, you get up, go to work and do the same sh.it day in day out.. you know there’s a reason why they call the danes one of the happiest nations on earth.. Basically people have no expectations whatsoever.. Everything is already mediocre today so why should it be any different tomorrow? the prozac popping citizens of this country makes everything seem happy and all hunky dory to the outside world but did you know that over 450.000 people in this country are registered as "patients" in the system? When I say patients I mean people who either sees a psychiatrist or sees a psychiatrist and recieves goverment funded medication... this is out of a population of 5,5 million people! 1 out of every 11!! That does not even count half of the people who smoke weed and drink their their brains out every week.

As a wise man once said..
“you would have to be cortically challenged to want to live in Denmark, unless you are a spineless and unproductive welfare leech”
Yes you can make a fair lump of money on paper but have any of you people ever tried seeing 50-60% of your monthly salary cut away while some useless socialist politician tells you “Those high taxes are for the common good, you now have access to free healthcare blah blah blah”
Let me tell you free healthcare is BULL and you will basically die waiting for treatment… Hell I almost did, but luckily I got treatment at a private hospital and It was worth it! I would much rather pay a private insurance company to get in and out of the hospital alive! and you know what? I already do just as hundreds of thousands of citizens in this socialist country, Guess what Americans! Wakeup call! People who can afford it here have an expensive private health insurance just as you do! Because ending up at a hospital with a serious illness is not good when the hospital is run upon a socialist system! Many of us basically die on the waiting list and the media just coveres it up!, It's just like death row!

Anyways.. Enough about that.. What more is there to rant about? Oohh Of course.. The worlds highest income taxation! Yes that's right.. We are the highest tax paying country ever! woohoo! I'm such a happy dane... NOT! Well let my tell you the average tax payed by a dane this year is 57.5% That means that we basically work for FREE 201 days of the year.. The rest goes into our own (very small) pockets.. ohh and the general sales tax is 25%!! for you american that means that the same friggin ipod that you buy for $200 or whatever will cost you Atleast 250 in Denmark.. And that usually isn't the case! The goverment will add hundreds of different made up bull**** eco and whatnot taxes onto that product so it would probably cost over $350...! Let me give you a real life example..

A few month ago I really wanted one of those nice Apple Cinema displays right? So I looked at apples website and it cost about 9000 DKK that means in America it would cost me about $1800.. but here in Denmark it would cost me a wooping 2900!!!! is it OK to say that we are being RAPED?

OHHH!! Guess what! The general sales tax does NOT apply to vehicles.. Cars, motorcycles etc. Ohh nononono there are completely different rules for this can you guess what tax percentage on a car will be? Let me burst your bubble.. 210%.. FRIGGIN 210 P E R C E N T!!

And what does that mean? Lets demonstrate that in real life.. A really nice car would cost what? About $50.000 in the United States? Wanna buy the same car while living in Denmark? Guess what? That same car will now cost you $155.000!! You could buy a friggin Ferrari for that amount back in the states! So If you ever come to Denmark.. Don't wonder why there are no nice cars around and why the cars are so small, so old, polluting and rusty.. You can just merely tell yourself that it is because if it was up to the goverment we would all be riding our freakin bicycles like the happy prozac popping communists that we are.. in the pouring rain! You know there is a saying “You’ve been in Denmark too long when a Ford Escort starts to look like a nice ride.”
Oh! and by the way.. gas is 9 dollars a gallon because of the goverments "special tax" added to all gasoline and diesel. It's basically just a scheme to get people out of their cars and onto their ****ty little bikes.

I know.. You are thinking, well public transportation is great over there!... UMMM NO?? This country possibly has the WORST public transportation in the world so you have two choices.. Ride the bus and get late to work and get raped by your boss... OOORR buy a car and get raped by the goverment.

What else is Rotten in Denmark that I haven't told you about?
CRIME!!!! Did you know that the state prison here has a special suite for the prisoners to rent for a weekend to stay in with their girlfriend, wife or family..? Did you know the prison has a cinema? All Inmates have their own little kitchen and nice table with a big window and everything, pretty comfortable bed also. Ohh they also have internet access isn't it great!.....NOT!!!

This place is CRIME HAVEN.. You can literally run somebody over and kill him! On purpose with your car and get off by telling the authorities that you fell asleep, you just get a short manslaughter sentence a little fine and a new drivers test! And don't get me wrong, prison here is LUXURY.. It's just like home! Some of the criminals in danish prisons actually do crime just to get locked up because it's so nice, they get free meals and get to sit in a nice cell all day long. If they are bored they can well... Get their girlfriends to come over or go to the cinema.
Guess what? This country even has Open prisons.. Yeah that's right the inmates get a curfew and they can leave.

I’m telling you, leave this glorified idea it’s a fairytale. The list of negative things is basically too long to mention here but the day one of you unfortunate fools move here and tries to buy a car please call me! I really want to hear the trembling in your voice when you find out that a small factory new eco car will cost you $70.000 and upwards, or that the real estate broker is trying to charge you $600.000 for a half decent hundred year old apartment.. (they are literally 100+ year old most places) You know there is a reason why denmark is having so much trouble holding on to a decent educated workforce.. because the youth of this country immedietly leaves after they finish up the university. They move to america, germany, italy spain etc.. Completely debt free. This is really one of the only true good benefits, a free education system that you can exploit and then move to a better country.
Please have a look at this file written buy a Dane before you consider moving here and PLEASE take the information seriously because it will come back and haunt you the day you are living on this forsaken soil.

http://haxor.dk/articles/dksucks.html

Great article on the danish mentality
http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

Let me tell you, the two worst! and I mean absolutely worst things about this place is the mentality of the people, If you ever come here and buy a really nice house or a car (if you can afford it) don't tell anyone! People will dispice, hate and loath you for it! They won't tell you but you will feel the wrath of their jealousy.. If you're lucky you might have a few people who will congratulate you. There are a few things in this country that is absolutely taboo.. Success and Wealth! They won't have it! They will hate you for it, If you are an american who have a few million saved up on your account and ready to retire in Denmark.. Just don't! And if you do remember to tell people that you are making whatever the average salary is that year, that way you can avoid social persecution.
Anyways you can read more about this sort of social behavior if you google "law of jante" , danish society is basically built around these fictional rules.


Let me just give you Americans a little piece of advice and I hope that you take it seriously.
If you really must insist that this place is ‘OHHhh Soo! heavenly!!’ Consider moving to southeren Sweden and drive to Denmark to work across the bridge connecting the two countries.. Just As many other danes who have seen the light are already doing, sweden is a MUCH cleaner country, the streets are dirtless unlike Danish streets. Everything isn’t taxed to death.. I mean even toilet paper and toothpaste is taxed in Denmark for god sake!! In sweden cars are tax free so you will be able to buy a really decent car at very cheap prices.. Believe me, you will thank me when the harsh winter kicks in.. It’s no fun riding your bicycle in pouring rain and snow even though it does look OoooOoohhh so idyllic when watching propaganda videos of happy bicyclists videos of Ultra-Socialist Denmark on Youtube.

In sweden houses and apartments are alot more high standard and affordable, Swedes are more financially liberal and the goverment won’t try to snake out hundreds of different rules and regualtions to try taxing you for something you don’t really need or want. And ofcourse sweden is also a socialist country so there will be “free-healthcare” for you people that apparently crave this fairytale public service. Basically you can have the best of both worlds.. The Wonderful finacial freedom and cleanliness of sweden.. Not to mention the beautiful nature but you can also recieve the mediocre but safe salary in Denmark.
to sum this up.. DENMARK IS NOT EQUAL HAPPINESS! DON’T BE STUPID PEOPLE.

Living in sweden while driving to work in Denmark is probably the ultimate luxury for the average welfare leeching underachiever of socialist scandinavia and this is the ultimate truth that I have concluded after living here for 20 years so whether or not you choose to believe this is entirely up to you.

And no I'm not old and grumpy but young and healthy, the lose backbone of this country that will hopefully leave soon if everyting turns out as planned.
If you have any questions please post them here.. If this rant helped you realize how shi.tty this place is please tell me! Then atleast I will know that I saved a few fools."

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Slacker apparently is unaware that the parties switched philosophies.

Lincoln was the first Republican elected president. At that time of Civil War, the Democratic Party (which dates to Jefferson and Jackson) split north and south. After the war, the Southern view was that Lincoln and the Republicans were responsible for ending slavery, the war, and the destruction of the South. So, the South became known as the "Solid South" meaning it was almost totally Democratic while the rest of the country was more two-party oriented, but until 1932 was dominated by the Republicans.

FDR's election in 1932 and (more importantly) subsequent events like Civil Rights laws passed in the 1950s and especially in the 1960s, which were championed by national Democrats caused splits in the Democratic Party. Many in the South abandoned the Democratic Party and switched allegiance to the Republican Party which was seen as more conservative. With Reagan the shift in the South was fairly complete.

"As long as people exist, government will exist.
As long as government exists, it will govern.
As long as it governs, it will tax you and interfere in your life...for both bad and good.
Get the f*ck over it."

Even the Founders knew government was a necessary evil. That is why they wrote the Declaration and Constitution, to LIMIT and constrain elected civil SERVANTS from becoming tyrants.

Taxes are not the problem. Taxation for non-Constitutional ends is the problem. And if I and my generation paid more attention to it when young you would not be telling me to get over it today. But what freedom you think you have today will never be me telling you to get over it when people open their mouth and get hauled away for speaking against tyranny when you have lost what freedom you believe exists now.

My father fought a world war for this? Not.

Oh, I won't argue there.
About the constitution or your generation.
It's mildly ironic that the same generation that protested Nixon and the Vietnam War gave us George Dubya Bush, Afghanistan and Iraq.

As for WW2, the Nazis may have lost, but fascism won the war.

Now that Benedict John Roberts has altered OUR constitution to allow the this regime to tax us for NOT buying government products and services, expect to see the following.

When they think your vehicle uses too much gas, expect to pay through the ass when it comes time to license your vehicle. That is if they allow you to license it at all.

When you want to keep warm in winter, expect to pay $$$$$$$$ in a tax "over charges" for keeping it too warm. (I would imaging that would be anything over 50 degrees eventually.

Expect to be taxed for having your house too cool on 100 degree days, if you have any power at all.

Expect your doctor to put you on a rigid weight loss regiment if you do not fall under the regime approved weight/height ratio. Perhaps they will even have a surcharge on fatties at the checkout. Maybe you will be refused any purchase deemed too sweet or too fatty for your weight. Or perhaps they will not allow certain products to be sold at all. MrsHell O is already telling the parents of school children that they should follow her dictated school lunch diet at home. The bitch is ALREADY IN YOUR KITCHEN !!!

I got it. A checkout scale that automatically senses weight according the the height scan.

A stretch of the imagination? I wouldn't put anything past these bastards since they can now, under our bastardized constitution, tax us for anything and everything. Thank you John Roberts, traitor to the people. And you do not have a clue to how much freedom you have already lost under these tyrants. But is the other guy any better? Perhaps not, but it will be a slower path to destruction under him. I would rather gamble on something that gives me a chance as opposed to someone who has already shown me that I do not have a chance under his iron fisted rule.

You had better be sure that you want to piss away your vote. There will be hell to pay if this dictator is reelected. Why? Because our elections will be just like any other dictators elections in the future. Perhaps with only one candidate running for office as in some regimes.

What me worry? I'll be headed to the head removal facilities for by belief in Jesus Christ.

Blah blah blah the old crank has spoken. I don't buy ONE word of your lunatic rants.

Now that Benedict John Roberts has altered OUR constitution to allow the this regime to tax us for NOT buying government products and services, expect to see the following.

When they think your vehicle uses too much gas, expect to pay through the ass when it comes tome to license your vehicle.

When you want to keep warm in winter, expect to pay $$$$$$$$ in a tax "over charges" for keeping it too warm. (I would imaging that would be anything over 50 degrees eventually.

Expect to be taxed for having your house too cool on 100 degree days, if you have any power at all.

Expect your doctor to put you on a rigid weight loss regiment if you do not fall under the regime approved weight/height ratio. Perhaps they will even have a surcharge on fatties at the checkout. Maybe you will be refused any purchase deemed too sweet or too fatty for your weight.

I got it. A checkout scale that automatically senses weight according the the height scan.

A stretch of the imagination? I wouldn't put anything past these bastards since they can now, under our bastardized constitution, tax us for anything and everything. Thank you John Roberts, traitor to the people.

You had better be sure that you want to piss away your vote. There will be hell to pay if this dictator is reelected. Why? Because our elections will be just like any other dictators elections in the future. Perhaps with only one candidate running for office as in some regimes.

What me worry? I'll be headed to the head removal facilities for by belief in Jesus Christ.

This is a fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives, IMO.
Conservatives piss their pants over what MIGHT happen.
What someone MIGHT do.
They build elaborate dark fantasies about how they think the world works.
Liberals are generally mad about what conservatives actually DO.
What has actually HAPPENED.
They are more concerned with real facts.

Now that Benedict John Roberts has altered OUR constitution to allow the this regime to tax us for NOT buying government products and services, expect to see the following.

When they think your vehicle uses too much gas, expect to pay through the ass when it comes tome to license your vehicle.

When you want to keep warm in winter, expect to pay $$$$$$$$ in a tax "over charges" for keeping it too warm. (I would imaging that would be anything over 50 degrees eventually.

Expect to be taxed for having your house too cool on 100 degree days, if you have any power at all.

Expect your doctor to put you on a rigid weight loss regiment if you do not fall under the regime approved weight/height ratio. Perhaps they will even have a surcharge on fatties at the checkout. Maybe you will be refused any purchase deemed too sweet or too fatty for your weight.

I got it. A checkout scale that automatically senses weight according the the height scan.

A stretch of the imagination? I wouldn't put anything past these bastards since they can now, under our bastardized constitution, tax us for anything and everything. Thank you John Roberts, traitor to the people.

You had better be sure that you want to piss away your vote. There will be hell to pay if this dictator is reelected. Why? Because our elections will be just like any other dictators elections in the future. Perhaps with only one candidate running for office as in some regimes.

What me worry? I'll be headed to the head removal facilities for by belief in Jesus Christ.

This is a fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives, IMO.
Conservatives piss their pants over what MIGHT happen.
What someone MIGHT do.
They build elaborate dark fantasies about how they think the world works.
Liberals are generally mad about what conservatives actually DO.
What has actually HAPPENED.
They are more concerned with real facts.

In your wildest fantasies.

wow.. just wow.

most of your rants about "this country" in reference to denmark could have been applied to the US, in fact several sentences about "this country" I had read the first time thinking you were speaking about the USA. I had to re-read several statements to figure out which country you were referring to, seriously.

Most of your statements in general are just opinions masked as facts. I really don't want to take the time to disprove everything you've stated, and I know it will fall on deaf ears anyways.

Most of the items you are bringing up seem more of the exception than the rule, but I just don't have the time to address them line by line, and what's the point of trying to? Logic and reasoning aren't prevailing in this discussion as far as I'm concerned. Facts are countered with hysterics and logic seems to go to the lowest common denominator of "every man for himself".

I will leave that part of it at this- for every bizarre issue you can cite like jails having cinemas or curfews, etc... I'm sure I could find equally bizarre injustices of equal exception right here in the states. I read about them every day.

The US government, is by the people and for the people. Saying that the government sucks is saying that the people suck, and are incapable of governing themselves. What your are proposing is fascism, which is basically capitalism on steroids. In every historical case, when a person or industry gains obscene power and wealth, without checks and balances- in every case, it fails to serve society in any real sense and commits atrocities of epic proportions.

The problem in this country is that greedy people have amassed too much wealth and too much power. They are abusing the system and the common man. They have corrupted the communication systems and power systems to the point that the common man is misinformed, bullied, and kept in servitude to powers that have no desire other than to continue to grow, regardless of how obscenely they've already grown.

People desperately need to take back control of the government and insert sanity and strong reforms back into it.

No matter how much you repeat how much socialized healthcare sucks, it's just not true. Every world report out there shows USA healthcare being the #2 most expensive in the industrialized world, and 2nd to dead last in quality.

I HAVE waited 2 months for an appointment, and I have been denied coverage many times in the last few years, and that's after paying obscene premiums and then being told it's not enough and co-pays and deductibles must be met BEFORE treatment will be administered. And yes, they are required by law to treat you if your condition is life-threatening, but if it isnt? Nope. Sorry, keep paying your premium but F you if you want actual usable coverage, especially you poor people who just can't afford to pay $5000 up front for back surgery or whatever, after paying your monthly premiums.

How is it that people think that's the best in the world?? Utter nonsense! You can google "world healthcare quality by nation" or word it 100 different ways and the facts are simple and clear as it gets. The US healthcare, not just obamacare, but our system over the last 25 years has one of the worst track records in the world, yet we pay the most for it. Certainly it has nothing to do with the $4Bil/annual profits most of the mega-companies make, or that $2 of every $3 you pay into it goes to profits and not actual care (sarcasm alrert).

Capitalism is ruining everything.

And it's inherently not sustainable.

For capitalism to thrive, or even succeed on any level, it requires supply and growth. The planet is already overpopulated, and we are running out of resources. How is it that we're not going to inevitibly crash? There's no detailed plan for that, only whimsical dogma that somehow it will work itself out. No, it won't. It can't- it's incapable of creating something from nothing, with exception to wall st. and we see how well that worked out, and continues to work out.

Capitalism supports and encourages most of the 7 deadly sins and supresses morality, as it's contradictory for a capitalist ideal to take moral and social ideals into account.

I'm afraid we're doomed, because we have nothing but contempt and apathy for our common man, zero regard for our environment, and cash is king.

I'm pretty much done with this, I've realized that no amount of logic or common sense will prevail in this discussion.