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Amen Talbot. That sorta was my point. And Jeff I saw that story also but the link you shared was really great.

As far as GZ and TM, that whole story is a tragedy that didn't need to happen. It is pretty easy to see that it was almost the same collision course the US and the Soviet Union were on 35 years ago, except on a larger scale.

For now,,, we don't all have to bend over and kiss our butts goodbye.

The person who puts a hand on one of my granddaughters better have his harp lessons paid up.

Screw the law. What we have in this country is not law, but chaos. Folks get more time for weed than for rape or murder. Justice? My aunt fanny...

And JimmyD - law is supposed to be based upon what's called 'natural law' but we have gotten so far from that it's pitiful. We based our constitution and original jurisprudence on Blackstone's Law which was based upon natural law. Now we have this farce we call 'law' which is actually anarchy.

Do you realize that this is the first century in human history where a child molestor caught in the act would be considered a 'victim?' That such a person would be unhung within a day or two of being caught in the act?

Even the people in jail hate those creeps. And they never change. A quick bullet saves a lot of money but more importantly, a lot violence and dreadful behavior.

It is the absolute duty of every man to defend the woman folk and the kids.

Remember folks - sometimes police will protect you; if they happen to be there, and if they are not these gutless wonders like the pukes at Columbine. But a) they are not constitutionally required to protect you, and b) they are almost never there.

And the legal system is supposed to work for us. instead it is working against us. I will not worship 'law.' Common sense does it for me.

Talbot

Mike, today, the interpretation of constitutional law has been so bastardized, that I seriously doubt there is one senator or congressman who can explain the true definition of it or its full purpose.
Worse than that, we have college age kids who actually dont know what the 4th of July is about. Its pathetic really... ... The same sh*t happened to the Bible,...terms and defs just get transformed to suit the immediate community... and more to the point, suit the ones with power and money.

What Constitution? I think our imperial president rolled doobies with it. while he watched old Jefferson reruns.

I dont know what any of that other stuff has to do with the subject and I havent brought up race ...
Who said GZ is a competent enough citizen to have this kind of responsibility ? Anger and the ability to get a permit ?
That is my point.

ok, sorry for going off on a tangent to answer the false narrative. This incident is being used to by politicians to start a race war and it seemed like you have been following what they are saying, instead of what the evidence that has come out says.

But to answer this question: We all have the right to keep and bear arms unless that right is taken away by a criminal conviction.

Is there any reason why GZ shouldn't have the right to defend himself or his neighbors?

What Constitution? I think our imperial president rolled doobies with it. while he watched old Jefferson reruns.

Thats HILARIOUS! Most likely true!

I dont know what any of that other stuff has to do with the subject and I havent brought up race ...
Who said GZ is a competent enough citizen to have this kind of responsibility ? Anger and the ability to get a permit ?
That is my point.

ok, sorry for going off on a tangent to answer the false narrative. This incident is being used to by politicians to start a race war and it seemed like you have been following what they are saying, instead of what the evidence that has come out says.

But to answer this question: We all have the right to keep and bear arms unless that right is taken away by a criminal conviction.

Is there any reason why GZ shouldn't have the right to defend himself or his neighbors?

Hahaha - I'm brainwashed and your not - nice
What did he defend against ? The fact that you think martin should answer for the crimes of all black Folks ????
There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.
And you cry about Constitutional rights - what a joke !
GZ is what - ? - a saint in your book ? He is a proven liar he might not legally be able carry much longer ... He makes gun lovers look good ... nope.
But legally he is allowed to own a gun its GZ competence I question
Unless of course you think its a win someone died .....
( thou shall not kill -)

He couldnt tell the cops what street he was on BEFORE the shooting .... his lil hood has 3 streets and he was living there for years ?????
You must be one of the people who think everyone is a responsible gun owner .... GZ himself said the kid almost took his weapon from him
You imply a agenda from the left so dont deny your agenda ....
If he had handled things better maybe the kid wouldnt have beat his ass.

TJ,

I don't mean disrespect but either you're only listening to the Dept of Propoganda (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS) or you aren't listening at all.

There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.

The locals appreciated that GZ was surveilling the neighborhood, even if the liberals in NYC don't.

I recently had to move from my home of 22 years because gangs have moved in and there were 3 murders last year, 2 within 100' of my house. I wish someone like GZ would patrol my block and keep criminals away! But instead I have to move out of the city and spend thousands to protect my family.

The real criminals in this whole event are the race-baiters who are trying to divide Americans with a false narrative and selective reporting of the facts. Now, if GZ isn't wrongly convicted, we will have to deal with riots caused by the media purposely holding back important details and supplying a version of the incident that didn't happen.

Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 have TEN TIMES the risk of being murdered than any other race, but guess what? Black males between 14 and 24 are TEN TIMES likely to be the murderer, too. Until we can admit the truth, we'll never find a solution.

By the way...I just observed Juneteenth. I'd bet 99% of white people here don't even know what that is, but it was the day slaves were freed in America by General Gordon Grainger from Galvestion Texas by a Federal order that he didn't even ask the Fed to approve.

We observed this date on the very property where slavery was established in the colonies in 1617 on the Johnson Plantation in what is now Newport News Virginia.

Here is an interesting fact. Andrew Johnson was an African who paid for his trip to the new world by becoming an indentured servant. After his debt was paid, he applied for a land grant and started a plantation with indentured servants from Africa as he had been. But he petitioned (and won) for the right to make them "chattel property" that he could pass on to his descendants. Yes, the first slave owner and the man who established slavery in America was a black man from Africa.

That is an inconvenient truth that points to the scourge of slavery being one of the inhumanity of man, rather than of race. Even today, human trafficking flourishes in our nation but who cares since they are useful as sex property? (Did anyone see the riots in Oakland a few days ago by the Occupy crowd who were protesting to protect human trafficking? How sick must they be?)

It was christians who worked to end this sad chapter of USA history, because we are commanded to love all people as made in the image of God, yet fewer and fewer christians are going outside of the church building and now the solutions are left up to secular humanists.

Which means we are all in existential danger from dictators without any moral compass.....like those screaming about GZ only for their own political lust.




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This is some nice writing glad its here forever
TM had to be followed because he was black and blacks commit crimes.
But it wasnt racial was it ?
The 1st slave owner was Black so that lets 250 years of White Dominance off the hook ?

The meek shall inherit the earth my ass

I dont know what any of that other stuff has to do with the subject and I havent brought up race ...
Who said GZ is a competent enough citizen to have this kind of responsibility ? Anger and the ability to get a permit ?
That is my point.

ok, sorry for going off on a tangent to answer the false narrative. This incident is being used to by politicians to start a race war and it seemed like you have been following what they are saying, instead of what the evidence that has come out says.

But to answer this question: We all have the right to keep and bear arms unless that right is taken away by a criminal conviction.

Is there any reason why GZ shouldn't have the right to defend himself or his neighbors?

Hahaha - I'm brainwashed and your not - nice
What did he defend against ? The fact that you think martin should answer for the crimes of all black Folks ????
There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.
And you cry about Constitutional rights - what a joke !
GZ is what - ? - a saint in your book ? He is a proven liar he might not legally be able carry much longer ... He makes gun lovers look good ... nope.
But legally he is allowed to own a gun its GZ competence I question
Unless of course you think its a win someone died .....
( thou shall not kill -)

He couldnt tell the cops what street he was on BEFORE the shooting .... his lil hood has 3 streets and he was living there for years ?????
You must be one of the people who think everyone is a responsible gun owner .... GZ himself said the kid almost took his weapon from him
You imply a agenda from the left so dont deny your agenda ....
If he had handled things better maybe the kid wouldnt have beat his ass.

My question is this...Did GZ need a permit to carry the weapon? Did he carry it Concealed or exposed? Did Martin 'know ' GX was carrying a weapon? If Martin knew there was a weapon, (before the incident), then was he able to discern if the weapon was legally concealed/exposed, And, did Martin taunt or provoke GZ to brandish the weapon, etc... These are the kinds of questions that get asked . At the end of the day, If they can prove that kid was aware of the weapon, before any confrontation, then a whole new can of legal , civil whipass will get opened up... Its sad that a kid had to die, and its obvious GZ should not have been carrying a weapon... But, something tells me this case was a 'poke the bear' scenario that went afoul.

TJ,

I don't mean disrespect but either you're only listening to the Dept of Propoganda (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS) or you aren't listening at all.

There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.

The locals appreciated that GZ was surveilling the neighborhood, even if the liberals in NYC don't.

I recently had to move from my home of 22 years because gangs have moved in and there were 3 murders last year, 2 within 100' of my house. I wish someone like GZ would patrol my block and keep criminals away! But instead I have to move out of the city and spend thousands to protect my family.

The real criminals in this whole event are the race-baiters who are trying to divide Americans with a false narrative and selective reporting of the facts. Now, if GZ isn't wrongly convicted, we will have to deal with riots caused by the media purposely holding back important details and supplying a version of the incident that didn't happen.

Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 have TEN TIMES the risk of being murdered than any other race, but guess what? Black males between 14 and 24 are TEN TIMES likely to be the murderer, too. Until we can admit the truth, we'll never find a solution.

By the way...I just observed Juneteenth. I'd bet 99% of white people here don't even know what that is, but it was the day slaves were freed in America by General Gordon Grainger from Galvestion Texas by a Federal order that he didn't even ask the Fed to approve.

We observed this date on the very property where slavery was established in the colonies in 1617 on the Johnson Plantation in what is now Newport News Virginia.

Here is an interesting fact. Andrew Johnson was an African who paid for his trip to the new world by becoming an indentured servant. After his debt was paid, he applied for a land grant and started a plantation with indentured servants from Africa as he had been. But he petitioned (and won) for the right to make them "chattel property" that he could pass on to his descendants. Yes, the first slave owner and the man who established slavery in America was a black man from Africa.

That is an inconvenient truth that points to the scourge of slavery being one of the inhumanity of man, rather than of race. Even today, human trafficking flourishes in our nation but who cares since they are useful as sex property? (Did anyone see the riots in Oakland a few days ago by the Occupy crowd who were protesting to protect human trafficking? How sick must they be?)

It was christians who worked to end this sad chapter of USA history, because we are commanded to love all people as made in the image of God, yet fewer and fewer christians are going outside of the church building and now the solutions are left up to secular humanists.

Which means we are all in existential danger from dictators without any moral compass.....like those screaming about GZ only for their own political lust.




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Yods manifesto.
This what someone who needs to rationalize their beliefs tells themselves
...
Because its my opinion GZ is a incompetent fool Mr. Yod feels so threatened he feels the the need to explain how blacks are just as racist as whites and also since blacks committed crimes then TM should have been racially profiled all the while he is more worried about gun rights and a upcoming " racewar " ...
Sick sh*t.
Not quite Uni-bomber worthy but getting there.
Good luck to you turkeys

TJ,

I don't mean disrespect but either you're only listening to the Dept of Propoganda (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS) or you aren't listening at all.

There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.

The locals appreciated that GZ was surveilling the neighborhood, even if the liberals in NYC don't.

I recently had to move from my home of 22 years because gangs have moved in and there were 3 murders last year, 2 within 100' of my house. I wish someone like GZ would patrol my block and keep criminals away! But instead I have to move out of the city and spend thousands to protect my family.

The real criminals in this whole event are the race-baiters who are trying to divide Americans with a false narrative and selective reporting of the facts. Now, if GZ isn't wrongly convicted, we will have to deal with riots caused by the media purposely holding back important details and supplying a version of the incident that didn't happen.

Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 have TEN TIMES the risk of being murdered than any other race, but guess what? Black males between 14 and 24 are TEN TIMES likely to be the murderer, too. Until we can admit the truth, we'll never find a solution.

By the way...I just observed Juneteenth. I'd bet 99% of white people here don't even know what that is, but it was the day slaves were freed in America by General Gordon Grainger from Galvestion Texas by a Federal order that he didn't even ask the Fed to approve.

We observed this date on the very property where slavery was established in the colonies in 1617 on the Johnson Plantation in what is now Newport News Virginia.

Here is an interesting fact. Andrew Johnson was an African who paid for his trip to the new world by becoming an indentured servant. After his debt was paid, he applied for a land grant and started a plantation with indentured servants from Africa as he had been. But he petitioned (and won) for the right to make them "chattel property" that he could pass on to his descendants. Yes, the first slave owner and the man who established slavery in America was a black man from Africa.

That is an inconvenient truth that points to the scourge of slavery being one of the inhumanity of man, rather than of race. Even today, human trafficking flourishes in our nation but who cares since they are useful as sex property? (Did anyone see the riots in Oakland a few days ago by the Occupy crowd who were protesting to protect human trafficking? How sick must they be?)

It was christians who worked to end this sad chapter of USA history, because we are commanded to love all people as made in the image of God, yet fewer and fewer christians are going outside of the church building and now the solutions are left up to secular humanists.

Which means we are all in existential danger from dictators without any moral compass.....like those screaming about GZ only for their own political lust.




.

Yods manifesto.
This what someone who needs to rationalize their beliefs tells themselves
...
Because its my opinion GZ is a incompetent fool Mr. Yod feels so threatened he feels the the need to explain how blacks are just as racist as whites and also since blacks committed crimes then TM should have been racially profiled all the while he is more worried about gun rights and a upcoming " racewar " ...
Sick sh*t.
Not quite Uni-bomber worthy but getting there.
Good luck to you turkeys

Tennessee (Guest ) There is enough hate on both sides of the fence to go around for everybody. Statistically, Black On Black crime has always been higher than Black on White crime. Its changed and now we can call it Gang On Gang or Homie on Homie crime (because apparently, murderers and thieves are 'equal opportunity' murderers and thieves now ( to keep up with political correctness). But that is all irrelevant in the GZ case. You are not wrong to deduce that GZ lacked a certain competence... (And it illustrates is why governance of Law enforcement membership is so critical and important). I think its interesting that Andrew Johnson was African American and owned slaves... Quite possibly the first recorded instance of Black On Black crime in America. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we think of GZ... I cant get past the part where one or the other thought it was okay to engage in any conflict whatsoever. That death could have been prevented... I feel that BOTH parties were culpable in that outcome... any othe twist on that outcome is just a phucking smoke screen... GobbLe Gobble!

Mr Tennesse Jedi, You are so filled with hate and prejudice,there is NO WAY to get involved in any sort of a rational discussion.

From all your other posts, I wish you the best, but you are really just one nasty , not so nice , person.

YOU ARE ALSO A MAJOR CHICKEN SHIIT FOR JUST BEING A GUEST.

*BURP* If it smells like "Chicken", it prolly is.

Zip I totally agree with you.
Everyone else is missing the point. This is a five year old girl. How much force does it take to snap a five year old girls neck? This is NOT about sexual assault. Nobody really knows how they will react to a situation like this.
Yes ,I agree with that toally.

This is some nice writing glad its here forever

The 1st slave owner was Black so that lets 250 years of White Dominance off the hook ?

The meek shall inherit the earth my ass

I'm going to answer this part first.

The previous post was about how the greater problems between men is not race, but sin...and no race is excluded. You came back with "what does that have to do with anything" as if race doesn't matter to you. So I apologized for going off on a tangent if the root of the problem doesn't matter to you and edited my post to take that out.

Yet this last post shows a different side of you that is still angry about race issues, so let me see if I can say this in a way you can understand;

TM had to be followed because he was black and blacks commit crimes.
But it wasnt racial was it ?

I posted the statistics of how black on black crime is almost 10 times higher than all other races. That is an objective fact and calling me a racist for being aware of the facts certainly plays a part in perpetrating the problem even further.

But that was not a race issue, it's a crime issue.

It's terribly tragic and sad that it cost Trayvon his life...but the color of his skin or GZ's had nothing to do with it. He shouldn't have come back to assault GZ. Once he does that, the law allows any man to defend himself.

I'm not "excusing" anything or anyone. Manipulation has no color, and most of the major broadcasting networks are reporting a false narrative. It sure looks to me that they want to exploit and manipulate base emotions of anger and hatred.

Haley,

Now for something more important. Tropical Storm Debbie is raising havoc in Florida. .....Do you think that Debbie will do Dallas?