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http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Tax-VOX/2011/0625/Two-tax-breaks-that-will-create-jobs-Don-t-believe-it

Tax breaks don't create jobs. It's a patently stupid idea, really.

Customers create demand which creates jobs.

I firmly believe the tax code needs to be much more just. Giving out tax breaks has not created jobs and will not create jobs. Until there are jobs, our economy will continue to suffer.

This isn't corporations being evil. This is corporations doing the intelligent thing with the laws as they are. The laws as they are cannot help but place an unreasonable burden on middle class households. Note that I did not say "poor" households. I'm more concerned about people who are responsible, productive people who are still unable to support their families.

I was once your average rock-n-roll liberal. I parrotted the line because that's what everyone one else was saying...and that many people can't be wrong, can they?

To whom you pay taxes is who owns you. Allowing them to take more is never the answer if we're talking like free men living in a free land.

Anyone who can manipulate you with envy is playing you like a tool. Politicians know that the money is going to come from the middle class but they could never get away with saying that. You will pay more taxes but now they hide it in legislation that takes it from your phone bill or your gasoline or every airplane ticket. They take it in a way that our Constitution doesn't really give them the right to do...but they no longer care because people don't remember what freedom was, now that we're in the "new normal".


I've been paying attention since the late 70s and here's the thing....they always say it's going to soak the rich, but only newbies & suckers still believe that.


The rich can hire lawyers and figure out ways around whatever taxes they come up with...or they move away to a better business climate. They aren't going to just lay there and take it.

Just because politicians tell you they are going to pass tax laws which are supposedly aimed at others does not mean it will help you in any way. ANY tax is another loss of freedom.

The government gets enough money already. Let them learn to live a budget.

And I've also owned a couple of businesses, btw. Have you?

I found it practically impossible to run a company and also have to keep up with all the different ways the government taxed me with reguatlations, tolls, fees, etc... Keeping up with taxes is, itself, a full-time job even if you hire someone else to do it. You are ultimately the one responsible for giving that person every record of every transaction and why, when, how, where...

I let both companies die just to get away from having to keep up with the taxes. But now I'm self-employed without employees and the taxes are still too much to keep up with.

I have never been rich...but my taxes keep going up every time they say someone else is going to pay. DON'T LET THEM TAKE ANY MORE OF OUR MONEY FOR ANYTHING!!











So much of what my companies generated was needed to pay people only to keep records for paying taxes. It was an unbelievable extra burden of paperwork and a large extra expense for a small company and I fell behind rather quickly







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So much of what my companies generated was needed to pay people only to keep records for paying taxes. It was an unbelievable extra burden of paperwork and a large extra expense for a small company and I fell behind rather quickly
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I guess that's what they mean , when they say taxes will help create jobs... :p

The Backs of the poor are already broke, Glenn. That's what you're failing to see. We are all paying that 6% tax on gum. You're saying I'm asking for a tax hike on the rich. What I'm saying is that one dollar more has already been levied on diesel fuel per each gallon, as it was not 10 years ago. That was the second hit the trucking industry has been targeted in a major way that I know of in my lifetime. I don't know exactly (or don't remember) how they did it in the '70s, but an owner op went from wealthy to bust. Drivers were selling their trucks, and continuing their lively hood by working for the big boys. Why ,you say am I picking on the oil companies? The nightly news may be the blame for that, as that they report what the oil companies are making- Billions, far more than their costs. I would like to know if it's possible for a single gallon of crude could make it to the consumer without sometime being on a truck. When you have a hand full of the richest in an industry, Shell, BP, and so on, it is at their best interest to come together in agreement on what they will stand for being levied against them. When you have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of working class truckers across the nation, it is impossible to bring them together in one room to say "We ain't takin' it no more!" An even tax on everyone makes the tax codes simple. We could easily see who's getting the breaks. We the people could say "We ain't takin' it no more!" Everyone has a fair share to pay, then if those whom are making good wants to do well for communities, who would stop them? Who could complain? There is a cohesiveness to gum, maybe we should all learn it's wisdom and send it to Washington.

The Backs of the poor are already broke, Glenn. That's what you're failing to see. We are all paying that 6% tax on gum. You're saying I'm asking for a tax hike on the rich. What I'm saying is that one dollar more has already been levied on diesel fuel per each gallon, as it was not 10 years ago. That was the second hit the trucking industry has been targeted in a major way that I know of in my lifetime. I don't know exactly (or don't remember) how they did it in the '70s, but an owner op went from wealthy to bust. Drivers were selling their trucks, and continuing their lively hood by working for the big boys. Why ,you say am I picking on the oil companies? The nightly news may be the blame for that, as that they report what the oil companies are making- Billions, far more than their costs. I would like to know if it's possible for a single gallon of crude could make it to the consumer without sometime being on a truck. When you have a hand full of the richest in an industry, Shell, BP, and so on, it is at their best interest to come together in agreement on what they will stand for being levied against them. When you have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of working class truckers across the nation, it is impossible to bring them together in one room to say "We ain't takin' it no more!" An even tax on everyone makes the tax codes simple. We could easily see who's getting the breaks. We the people could say "We ain't takin' it no more!" Everyone has a fair share to pay, then if those whom are making good wants to do well for communities, who would stop them? Who could complain? There is a cohesiveness to gum, maybe we should all learn it's wisdom and send it to Washington.

At roughly a billion dollars a day, the U.S. War/ Occupation has to get paid for , some how, some way...
Anybody have an idea how that's happening?

Old Tax model: One on One - Karma Sutra method
New Tax Model: Gang Banga Sutra .

That is precisely whats happening to Americans all across the board. For the money I paid, At least I got a front row seat in my living room to watch Shock & Awe (Let the games begin!) . But like all other things Time-Warner, the bill keeps coming and coming and it won't go away.

Obama did Libya without our permission because he knew we'd be outraged enough to vote it down if he let us. SO he dragged us into a very expensive fight ... Personally I think he should pay for it out of his own pocket.

Crunch, I don't fail to see the backs of the poor are broken. So are people making up to 200 grand. They were handed promises of a great American dream that was promised for hard work and resourcefulness.
As far as the poor, you explain why the were left behind. Drugs, easy govt. money, no resources, no motivation, physical handicaps. I don't know.

Here is what we need to do as a nation right now. This will not only protect us but stabilize most of the world.
1 We need stable energy supplies, while we work toward renewable clean energy. We are 50 years away from that goal and maybe even further now that NASA has become insignificant. We have more coal, oil and natural gas than any other part of the world. This debate has been wasting time,50 years! These high energy prices are the cause of all our economic problems. You want to see everyone get a $200 a month tax break, DRILL BABY DRILL. It will come at the pump, not from a massive bureaucracy.

2. Lets see how you take that one. 2 is beyond radical. T.L.

Glen, (one N)

I see this red diaper baby acting out his Marxist fantasies. One reason we are in this pickle is that Marxists use the same words decent people do but they mean something different.

I'm glad that person was elected. I believe that as a republic we are probably finished - all over but the dying. But having that thing in DC has been good - all the cards are on the table. That gives people who love freedom at least a chance.

I heard somebody say yesterday 'that bunch should be arrested and tried for treason." Sure...by whom? "that bunch" owns all those paramilitary militias like ATF, SWAT,Acorn, Unions etc... We're in big trouble.

It's 1860 again and God help us all. Shermans bandits will look like angels compared this current crop of scoundrels.

Talbot

Sherman was wonderful, he gave those traitors, the Confederacy, just what they deserved. Lincoln should have deported the surviving Confederates and shipped them all to Australia and recruited more Colonist from your ancestral European homeland
..... we wouldn't have half the problems we have today.

Your right. Without the states right conservatives the government would have had you libs in the gas chamber already .
Problem solved.

Drill ,baby, drill! I agree. Parts 1 & 2. But meanwhile, until we do that, I have another idea. We can sell overpriced fuel because projections tell the oil barons that we may have a vacation year in vehicles, which May run us low on oil stocks, so that we can pour billions of collected tax dollars into countries the enemy is not found in a war effort that is ultimately futile because we're looking in the wrong place. The right place however, we're giving billions to keep friendly. If you want a tax on something that doesn't tax the rich unfairly, let's tax the American dream- you know, the one that tells the blue collar if he's got an idea he can prosper. The prosperous don't need that dream, therefore, don't tax them! Keep your gum in your pocket.

Actually... you might have... When you pay taxes, which in turn go to support a welfare recipient, who is "legally" collecting for 10 kids...Has a sister who qualifies for subsidy in her own business as a Woman Owned Small business...who gets a capitol outlay loan of at least 250k to start her business right...but you were declined a 250K house loan, because your 25 % tax bracket ain't enough to support it... But the 'poor' lady gets to write off substantial taxes because she claimed herself to be a minority... But you , work 60+ hours a week and you can't get that loan... who are ya really working for?

1. No one is giving women any kind of business loan of $250K unless they have collateral or their business has shown some type of profit for at least 3-5 years. SCORE and the Small Business Administration will tell you that. Those spam e-mails you get are usually predator lenders and you won't get anywhere near $250K. Maybe at one time they were throwing out free money to women and minorities, but it hasn't been in the last 15 years. I couldn't get one for squat with my business, from the government or investors. As far as grants go, unless you're forming a nonprofit company or something which will benefit the community in some way, educating kids or teaching music to lepers, you won't see any money if you're just forming a regular retail business. I'm sure there may be a way, but you have to spend long hours of research or pay companies between $500 - $1,000 to prepare the grant and business plan for you. I don't know any poor people who have the money for that. My friend (who is white and not on welfare) worked her butt off just to squeeze $50K from investors for her business she's forming, which means she has to scramble to show them some numbers soon. Not worth the stress IMO. Most of the women I know who have regular businesses used their own savings, inheritances, alimony and so on to fund their businesses. Not free government money.

2. I don't know of any substantial tax write-offs for being a minority. The write offs I get is because I own a business and I know the tax laws, plus I have a very good accountant. Being a minority, isn't one of them.

Chaeya

I guess you're not going for simplified taxes so small business doesn't have to hire 3 people to do the books. 200 grand is not rich, merelyy timely financialy secure. $200 a month tax break will never become a reality, you're dreaming- you need taxed. And don't get me started on NASA. If it is insignificant, then why are we scheduled to pay them $160 billion in the next 5 years? I'm not going to dream that tax breaks will come at the pump, lest I get hit with the dream tax. I got it! Let's tax aircraft fuel by adding $1 to every gallon and hope that solves our problems! We'll call it the Glen (one N) saves America tax! Any one going any where will pay more, just like the costs of everything you buy to cover trucking will go up because of it! VOTE NOW!

Only fair tax is a universal sales tax.

Actually... you might have... When you pay taxes, which in turn go to support a welfare recipient, who is "legally" collecting for 10 kids...Has a sister who qualifies for subsidy in her own business as a Woman Owned Small business...who gets a capitol outlay loan of at least 250k to start her business right...but you were declined a 250K house loan, because your 25 % tax bracket ain't enough to support it... But the 'poor' lady gets to write off substantial taxes because she claimed herself to be a minority... But you , work 60+ hours a week and you can't get that loan... who are ya really working for?

1. No one is giving women any kind of business loan of $250K unless they have collateral or their business has shown some type of profit for at least 3-5 years. SCORE and the Small Business Administration will tell you that. Those spam e-mails you get are usually predator lenders and you won't get anywhere near $250K. Maybe at one time they were throwing out free money to women and minorities, but it hasn't been in the last 15 years. I couldn't get one for squat with my business, from the government or investors. As far as grants go, unless you're forming a nonprofit company or something which will benefit the community in some way, educating kids or teaching music to lepers, you won't see any money if you're just forming a regular retail business. I'm sure there may be a way, but you have to spend long hours of research or pay companies between $500 - $1,000 to prepare the grant and business plan for you. I don't know any poor people who have the money for that. My friend (who is white and not on welfare) worked her butt off just to squeeze $50K from investors for her business she's forming, which means she has to scramble to show them some numbers soon. Not worth the stress IMO. Most of the women I know who have regular businesses used their own savings, inheritances, alimony and so on to fund their businesses. Not free government money.

2. I don't know of any substantial tax write-offs for being a minority. The write offs I get is because I own a business and I know the tax laws, plus I have a very good accountant. Being a minority, isn't one of them.

Chaeya

Chaeya, a couple of things. Every one has to show some collateral. However, some... to a much lesser degree. If a woman owns a small business and courts a government 'client',... if she follows the rules, shows competency, she will get the support she needs (The 250k was a "pulled it out of my ass" number. ) The name of the game is "compliance" with all the gov rules...AND the Govt has to have been considered as a customer of that business. I know this, cause I'm doing a shit-load of IT on this right now, for the company I work with.

SCORE is a great mentoring program with business retirees who can sketch out a pro-formas on a cocktail napkin while telling us corporate war stories... They can even vouge for the integrity of new comers into the business sector... Beyond that, they aren't any ticket to resource support (i.e serious loans).. Private sector investors & syndicators are just too huge to deal with small business unless they intend to swallow your business up. (I've seen that happen and its very ugly to ma & pa start ups). Advise your white friend tha 50k is just another way of an investor showing greed. This is the part that so many people don't get... When we are told how great the potential for our business is, the initial investment simply suggests that the business needed leverage to get launched... The ROI is all the investor cares about. They don't typically care how it gets done...They are just convinced that you know what your doing to get to step B and that you should deliver by 'next week. They already plan on bailing... Its not even personal if you fail...They just pull out and move on, while you disintegrate in front of everybody. We call these guys 'Package sharks' Rip out what asset you have; discard the rest..and move on.

I don't know of any poor people that actually would pay money to write up grant apps. The successful ones tend to handle it on their own...The ones that don't... well, they are happy to blame 'the man"

My main pointy is that if a small business can offer something the government wants, they will get the support they need. The government pays handsomely in most technical projects. Its true, they are extremely anal about methods and procedures... But I would say to your friend... develop something the gov wants... and then put up the bid....

I understand, but then if you're developing something the government wants, you have to be pretty darn creative or you're just in for the cash. Most people want to start a business doing something that makes them happy. If you're an artist, it's tough because having to deal with all the red tape and such can be quite a daunting task, if not nearly impossible.

My point was that despite the myth that if you're a minority and a woman, nobody's throwing cash out there, especially right now. The e-mails I get offering this b.s. to me goes into the same place with all Prince Zabooboo e-mails.

If you have a legitimate business idea and it can be lucrative, you have a better chance of getting money from a group of angel investors than you do getting a government grant or loan. I mean, they're trying to cut social security and military pay, I doubt there's some grants and loans to be had.

I agree with George, I've always been a fan of the flat tax rate. Think about it, if you had a flat 10% tax on your income per paycheck and then a reasonable sales tax, we could do very well in this country, especially if you downsized government from all those needless divisions and areas which cost so much money. If you put welfare recipients to work doing jobs that we frequently outsource to other countries, there you go.

But then I don't have all the answers. History has taught me that we go through a sh*t period like now and then something or someone comes along that gets us going again. Granted WWII came along after the depression and it was a good time to be a soldier.

Here's an interesting tidbit I found out. That the government took out a $1,000 life insurance policy out on all the soldiers who fought in WWII, the Korean, not sure about Vietnam. One guy I know found out about it and because it accrued, he and his brothers collected a nice chunk of change out of their father's policy, and this happened just recently. If you have a father or uncle who fought in the war, it's worth investigating.

Chaeya

I guess you're not going for simplified taxes so small business doesn't have to hire 3 people to do the books. 200 grand is not rich, merelyy timely financialy secure. $200 a month tax break will never become a reality, you're dreaming- you need taxed. And don't get me started on NASA. If it is insignificant, then why are we scheduled to pay them $160 billion in the next 5 years? I'm not going to dream that tax breaks will come at the pump, lest I get hit with the dream tax. I got it! Let's tax aircraft fuel by adding $1 to every gallon and hope that solves our problems! We'll call it the Glen (one N) saves America tax! Any one going any where will pay more, just like the costs of everything you buy to cover trucking will go up because of it! VOTE NOW!

Crunch, you are not writing anything rational anymore, You gotta stop drinking the E85 you siphoned out of the car.