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Instead of making up your own definition why not go do a little research? It took me 3.4 seconds to find this definition:

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

Thanks AW, although I doubt anything's getting through.

That was cool AW, kinda like it's starting to stop snowing. OR I know it if only I knew what I know.

Three major monotheistic religions one god, judging by the way these three religions get along it would seem that there are three distinct gods which goes against the core belief of monotheism, go figure.

A planet without religion would be welcomed by many; these are people who get their spirituality by watching a sunrise or sunset, or a solar eclipse or even looking into the innocents and the wonder of a child’s eyes.

Religious believes or the god one follows seems to be determined mostly by geography than conviction much like the language we speaks, those who worship Jesus they’d be worshipping Buddha or Shinto if they had being born in regions where these deities were generated.

Religion is such a subjective topic making any particular believe useless if not false, everybody claims to be following the true god but with so many truths and gods who’s right and who’s wrong?

It is because of these dichotomies religion has been at best inefficient, at worst criminally destructive.

Referring to western’s religious people (the only ones I’ve been exposed to) most of them I think are more in love with religion itself more than their god’s teachings, they wear their religion much like a woman wears an accessory after rummaging through her jewelry box, they pick and chose which tenet to follow I mean when was the last time that someone was put to death for working on the Sabbath a penalty mandate by god which brings us to the most deficient aspect of religion… inconsistency.

My 2c.

There's no such thing as a normal sex life, it's up to the individual to determine what is normal. Same goes for your car, house, clothes and anything else that is part of your life. Therefore there is no such thing as a normal life, never has been.

I meant your normal routine, and the things you have become used to in modern america.
Your usual everyday life.

And by 'your', I mean all of ours.

If you only act right because you may anger your invisible sky daddy, you're already pretty messed up.

Messed up? Perhaps.

The "fear" spoken of in the Bible, to me, isn't about typical fear, as in the kind of fear one might feel from being threatened. It''s more about fear of displeasing someone you love, like your own father. But then, that does require a close relationship with him.

I fear displeasing my fleshly father, because I care what he thinks of me. Same goes for our spiritual father. If I didn't care what he thought, but still believed in him, it wouldn't bother me a wit to do whatever I pleased, no matter what he thinks. It's not that kind of fear.

I act as I do because I believe it pleases him (at least I try to ~ I'm NOT very good at it). I don't do it out of fear of retribution. If I'm wrong about what I think is right, and retribution is what my future holds, so be it. That's as it should be. I've no fear of that.

Fear means ' a reverent respect' .
Not like fear in the 'modern english'.

Let me just close this (my 2 cents) with:

Take time to look around and smell the roses.
Look up at the moon and the stars at night.
Take a hike through a forest.
Think about the different life you see. Animals, trees, grass, etc.

Take a look at photos of our solar system, of planets, and beyond.

Then tell me how you can believe in anything other than a creative, balanced, and orderly force.


Thank you, and good night.

Instead of making up your own definition why not go do a little research? It took me 3.4 seconds to find this definition:

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

I didn't say anything different.

Do you not understand the difference between the two phrases "believing NOT God" and "NOT believing in God"?

Here's my 3.5 second search results
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=106976

Huh? That made no sense. Please see AW's definition since you obviously don't accept mine even though I'm a God Damned agnostic. The bottom line is, it's unknown and most likely unknowable so just let it go.

Huh? That made no sense. Please see AW's definition since you obviously don't accept mine even though I'm a God Damned agnostic. The bottom line is, it's unknown and most likely unknowable so just let it go.

Only unknowable to those who do not know God.

The God I worship is a personal God, and I do know Him and He knows me on a personal basis. At one time I did not know if there was a God or if there wasn't a God.

One day some guy knocked on my door and wanted to talk about Jesus, and he kept calling Jesus his friend. I told him to go and play with his friend. I told him I didn't have the time, and as I was about to close the door, he said. "Just ask God to reveal Himself to you"

As I headed up the stairs, I asked God to reveal Himself to me if He was real. Simply to hedge my bet. I did not expect an answer, but I received one in spite of my doubts. And God did reveal Himself to me in a way that I understood. It took a while, and I was led into witchcraft and some other spiritual events that I couldn't readily comprehend at the time.
After a while I realized that there were spiritual entities, and figured out that if spirits were real, then perhaps God was real. And if God was real, then perhaps the Devil was real, and Jesus was real. And it hit me like a ton of bricks when I realized I was on the wrong side.

Then I was no longer in doubt and have not been in doubt since. God is very real and personal to me. If He were not, I would be saying much of what you say. I certainly did not start out as a believer, nor did I get that from my parents or friends, but rather from a stranger that God obviously sent to me personally.

I am very happy for you Slacker, and George and anyone else who have experienced and benefited from religion. As an agnostic I accept the possibility that a supreme being might have created the universe, although I would have to say the odds are extremely low. I would have to have hard evidence, otherwise it would just be voices in my head. Best wishes.

All Countries Predicted To Be Extinct By Religion:


Just thought I'd throw out my own "headline"




I know where you stand Jimmy.
We're cool

I'm a still gonna pray for ya though ...

Huh? That made no sense. Please see AW's definition since you obviously don't accept mine even though I'm a God Damned agnostic. The bottom line is, it's unknown and most likely unknowable so just let it go.

Believing NOT is equivalent to "rejecting" (Atheism proper), whereas NOT believing is equivalent to not holding a belief (Agnosticism).

I can't help it if you don't understand the difference between the two statements. Perhaps take a critical thinking course or spend some time listening to debates where this concept frequently comes up.

Fact of the matter is that this terminology is quite common in "Does God Exist" debates, usually surfacing when the atheist debater tries to shift burden by insisting that Atheism has always meant "lack of belief", citing authors like Charles Bradlaugh, and George Smith (author of Atheism: The Case Against God). See the classic "Does God Exist" debate between Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr. Gordon Steien as an example of this type of dialog.

Bottom line is that I have done the research, for over a decade, examining these types of debates and arguments, and the problem isn't with the terminology but your lack of exposure to it.

For me, it seems impossible to imagine that we (as small-brained bipeds on a little spinning orb in space) could possibly understand the universe, the complexities of such, or anything remotely outside our (extremely limited) realm of understanding. There are an infinite number of possibilities that we could not 'wrap our heads around' even if we were 10 billion times more intelligent then we are. (even though we think that we now know it all.) Everyone is convinced that their God/ religion is the real one, and everyone else is wrong. It's funny. Kind of. ..